Pessimism

[hwangjini_1]

3 strikes and tour out 






Tatum better be a basketball god after trading off Fultz .....

and would we be touring sites that sell software to help with spell checking? 

[Ogaju]

It isn't pessimism to disagree with Danny.

He's made three major decisions that we know about so far:

1.  He traded Fultz for Tatum and a pick;

2. He passed on the opportunity to trade Crowder, Smart and non-lottery picks for Paul George;

3. He pursued Gordon Hayward as his primary free agent target.

If people disagree with any, or all, of those decisions, it doesn't make them negative or pessimistic. It means that they think Danny made a bad decision. There are certainly examples of catastrophic thinking on here, but that's hardly the norm.

Personally, I have a bigger issue with the Orwellian "In Danny We Trust" mantra. Surrendering completely to another's judgment has always bothered me, whether it be politically, in a personal relationship, or anywhere else.

Do we really know that number 2 happened? If so, how many draft picks did Indy want?

[Roy H.]

It isn't pessimism to disagree with Danny.

He's made three major decisions that we know about so far:

1.  He traded Fultz for Tatum and a pick;

2. He passed on the opportunity to trade Crowder, Smart and non-lottery picks for Paul George;

3. He pursued Gordon Hayward as his primary free agent target.

If people disagree with any, or all, of those decisions, it doesn't make them negative or pessimistic. It means that they think Danny made a bad decision. There are certainly examples of catastrophic thinking on here, but that's hardly the norm.

Personally, I have a bigger issue with the Orwellian "In Danny We Trust" mantra. Surrendering completely to another's judgment has always bothered me, whether it be politically, in a personal relationship, or anywhere else.

Do we really know that number 2 happened? If so, how many draft picks did Indy want?

Woj reported it, and others have reported that Indy tried to get us to commit even after OKC's offer.

Reports are that Danny offered either "3 starters and 2 firsts" or "2 starters and 3 picks". So, I assume 3 out of BOS 18, BOS 19, MEM 19 or LAC 19.

[Rosco917]

If we don't sign Hayward, then you'll see pessimism.

Because the reality of starting the season without IT, and the possibility of IT having to play a more conservative brand of basketball in the future is very real.

[RockinRyA]

It isn't pessimism to disagree with Danny.

He's made three major decisions that we know about so far:

1.  He traded Fultz for Tatum and a pick;

2. He passed on the opportunity to trade Crowder, Smart and non-lottery picks for Paul George;

3. He pursued Gordon Hayward as his primary free agent target.

If people disagree with any, or all, of those decisions, it doesn't make them negative or pessimistic. It means that they think Danny made a bad decision. There are certainly examples of catastrophic thinking on here, but that's hardly the norm.

Personally, I have a bigger issue with the Orwellian "In Danny We Trust" mantra. Surrendering completely to another's judgment has always bothered me, whether it be politically, in a personal relationship, or anywhere else.

Do we really know that number 2 happened? If so, how many draft picks did Indy want?

Woj reported it, and others have reported that Indy tried to get us to commit even after OKC's offer.

Reports are that Danny offered either "3 starters and 2 firsts" or "2 starters and 3 picks". So, I assume 3 out of BOS 18, BOS 19, MEM 19 or LAC 19.

There were reports that the pacers are unwilling to wait, who knows if danny is reluctant to add nore assets if we had hayward in place?

Im not in the " in danny we trust" group, although im close since i give benefit of the doubt first, but i certainly think thatcthis group is far more tolerable than the "ainge is a moron and i disagree with whatever he will be doing" group.

[greece66]

I understand Roy's point - he had certain preferences for this summer and believes that Ainge was wrong not to pursue them.

The thing is that most ppl who accept Ainge's decisions (or lack thereof) don't surrender their judgement to a higher authority.

Personally, I will come back to these summer's decisions, but I think it will make a lot more sense to do so in a couple of years. For the time being, I give Ainge and our FO the benefit of the doubt, but this is a far from having blind faith in everything they do.

[OhioGreen]

Thought signing two of Griffin, Hayward, or George would have kept us #2 in the East.  Only Hayward drops us a couple of spots.  None of the above drops us down to about five or six in the East and second round playoff exit.  If healthy, Philly is the beast to deal with, even for Cleveland.  We pale in comparison!

[ETNCeltics]

Thought signing two of Griffin, Hayward, or George would have kept us #2 in the East.  Only Hayward drops us a couple of spots.  None of the above drops us down to about five or six in the East and second round playoff exit.  If healthy, Philly is the beast to deal with, even for Cleveland.  We pale in comparison!

[kmart12]

If we don't sign Hayward, then you'll see pessimism.

Because the reality of starting the season without IT, and the possibility of IT having to play a more conservative brand of basketball in the future is very real.

Agreed, TP.

If the point is building through the draft as it was suggested earlier in this thread, then why are we investing in Horford and potentially IT? We need better players to keep up with their trajectory, and it's evident that Horford is already a shade worse than his former self and IT's prime may close quicker than originally anticipated.

[Neurotic Guy]

It isn't pessimism to disagree with Danny.

He's made three major decisions that we know about so far:

1.  He traded Fultz for Tatum and a pick;

2. He passed on the opportunity to trade Crowder, Smart and non-lottery picks for Paul George;

3. He pursued Gordon Hayward as his primary free agent target.

If people disagree with any, or all, of those decisions, it doesn't make them negative or pessimistic. It means that they think Danny made a bad decision. There are certainly examples of catastrophic thinking on here, but that's hardly the norm.

Personally, I have a bigger issue with the Orwellian "In Danny We Trust" mantra. Surrendering completely to another's judgment has always bothered me, whether it be politically, in a personal relationship, or anywhere else.

To have confidence in one's own judgment is great, but when there is likelihood that my own judgments are made with less factual information, less experience in the venue, an inferior knowledge base and skillset than the person whose judgement I am challenging, well... I guess under those circumstances I'm less prone to have the courage of my convictions.  I trust Danny because he knows more about basketball than me, has more information about players and current negotiations, and has compiled a record of evidence of competence in a role in which there is  no such evidence of my own competence.  I have opinions of course, but ultimately I tend to trust Danny's judgments more than I trust my own when it comes to basketball. 

[kmart12]

To have confidence in one's own judgment is great, but when there is likelihood that my own judgments are made with less factual information, less experience in the venue, an inferior knowledge base and skillset than the person whose judgement I am challenging, well... I guess under those circumstances I'm less prone to have the courage of my convictions.  I trust Danny because he knows more about basketball than me, has more information about players and current negotiations, and has compiled a record of evidence of competence in a role in which there is  no such evidence of my own competence.  I have opinions of course, but ultimately I tend to trust Danny's judgments more than I trust my own when it comes to basketball.

This is well put and I would tend to agree in most circumstances, but what about trading the number one pick for a three and future assets? I think it's fair to speculate on what the plan is and, in particular, the difference between hoarding assets for the future and hoarding assets and using them questionably. At least being disappointed with finally acquiring the first pick overall and then throwing it away for the third pick (which we've had before) and another future asset is understandable. At bare minimum, this experience as a Celtics fan can be frustrating at times.

[Roy H.]

It isn't pessimism to disagree with Danny.

He's made three major decisions that we know about so far:

1.  He traded Fultz for Tatum and a pick;

2. He passed on the opportunity to trade Crowder, Smart and non-lottery picks for Paul George;

3. He pursued Gordon Hayward as his primary free agent target.

If people disagree with any, or all, of those decisions, it doesn't make them negative or pessimistic. It means that they think Danny made a bad decision. There are certainly examples of catastrophic thinking on here, but that's hardly the norm.

Personally, I have a bigger issue with the Orwellian "In Danny We Trust" mantra. Surrendering completely to another's judgment has always bothered me, whether it be politically, in a personal relationship, or anywhere else.

To have confidence in one's own judgment is great, but when there is likelihood that my own judgments are made with less factual information, less experience in the venue, an inferior knowledge base and skillset than the person whose judgement I am challenging, well... I guess under those circumstances I'm less prone to have the courage of my convictions.  I trust Danny because he knows more about basketball than me, has more information about players and current negotiations, and has compiled a record of evidence of competence in a role in which there is  no such evidence of my own competence.  I have opinions of course, but ultimately I tend to trust Danny's judgments more than I trust my own when it comes to basketball.

The same thing can be said about [insert well-known career politician of the opposite political party]. Do you tend to trust his or her judgments?

[flybono]

Fans want a winner!

It's called Passion

That is why the Garden is sold out every season

[jpotter33]

It isn't pessimism to disagree with Danny.

He's made three major decisions that we know about so far:

1.  He traded Fultz for Tatum and a pick;

2. He passed on the opportunity to trade Crowder, Smart and non-lottery picks for Paul George;

3. He pursued Gordon Hayward as his primary free agent target.

If people disagree with any, or all, of those decisions, it doesn't make them negative or pessimistic. It means that they think Danny made a bad decision. There are certainly examples of catastrophic thinking on here, but that's hardly the norm.

Personally, I have a bigger issue with the Orwellian "In Danny We Trust" mantra. Surrendering completely to another's judgment has always bothered me, whether it be politically, in a personal relationship, or anywhere else.

Lol TP.