Deduction: Crowder is gone if we sign Hayward

[hodgy03038]

I love Crowder and, if we sign Hayward, i would be content to have him start as a small ball 4.

But If Hayward comes I'd also be ok trading him to upgrade the 4. would it be possible to sign and trade him to Memphis for J. Green?

What you mean is trade Crowder and MEM sign and trade Ja. Green because Crowder is under contract.

[hodgy03038]

Crowder would stay until we get more bigs. He plays a decent amount of time at the 4 in our small ball line-ups. He also would move to the bench which would be a perfect role for him.

I don't think Crowder would be happy moving to the bench given his reaction to fans cheering for Hayward when he played here this season.

[mctyson]

Somebody eventually has to go if we get Hayward.  Crowder seems like the guy but it might actually make more sense to just let IT walk after next season.

Mike

I don't think the original post has anything to do with next season.  It has everything to do with the cap space needed to fit Hayward on this team.

Like saltlover I would lean toward a Crowder trade in that Hayward, Brown, and even Tatum make the minutes tight at 3/4 and make Crowder expendable.  I would be much less inclined to do that if Crowder could play as a guard but he cannot create off the dribble, and I am not sure about his ability as a shooter off of screens.

I sucks that the cap figure came down as it is really pinching the Celtics to trade guys they really don't want to let go.

[dreamgreen]

Crowder would stay until we get more bigs. He plays a decent amount of time at the 4 in our small ball line-ups. He also would move to the bench which would be a perfect role for him.

I don't think Crowder would be happy moving to the bench given his reaction to fans cheering for Hayward when he played here this season.

I think his minutes would still remain the same, maybe 3-4 less minutes a game. The reality is he's a bench player on a good team.

[td450]

Trading Crowder makes so little sense from a luxury tax perspective. Are we keeping all 3 of Smart, IT and AB? We'd be looking at a LT bill pushing $100m. Wyc is rich but he isn't a Russian oligarch.

I don't see why we can't have 4 SF's. SF isn't really a position in Stevens's sytem; you saw Brown play plenty of "2" last year, Crowder play plenty of "4", you saw Smart playing the 3, Green playing either 2 or 3, etc.

This roster is perfectly balanced if you want to play with 1 PG, 3 wings and 1 big most of the time:

PG: IT, Smart
Wing: Hayward, Crowder, Brown, Tatum, (Smart)
Big: Horford, Zizic

That's one of the biggest reasons why Porzingis was so appealing. He makes even less then Crowder and is under a controlled contract the same amount of time. And it isn't so horrible giving up these top picks because he's 21, so you aren't trading the future just for the present.

It's too bad we couldn't make a deal before they kicked Jackson out.

[ssspence]

In this scenario, one idea I like:

Trade Crowder to POR for Noah Vonleh and a pick.

[JBcat]

In this scenario, one idea I like:

Trade Crowder to POR for Noah Vonleh and a pick.

Neat idea, and this is a very Ainge type of move always picking up a pick.  2 questions though is how did Vonleh play last year? His stats aren't great, and seems like very much still a prospect.  Maybe he is due to break out.

Portland already seems like they have a glut of wings in Harkless, Turner ect right? Maybe Turner is more of a backup guard for them, and Harkless isn't doing much.  Maybe they could use more of a steady 3/4 player.

[ssspence]

In this scenario, one idea I like:

Trade Crowder to POR for Noah Vonleh and a pick.

Neat idea, and this is a very Ainge type of move always picking up a pick.  2 questions though is how did Vonleh play last year? His stats aren't great, and seems like very much still a prospect.  Maybe he is due to break out.

Portland already seems like they have a glut of wings in Harkless, Turner ect right? Maybe Turner is more of a backup guard for them, and Harkless isn't doing much.  Maybe they could use more of a steady 3/4 player.

I think he's been a little under utilized by Stotts. He's capable of being a rotation stretch 4 with some shotblocking ability to boot.

[JBcat]

In this scenario, one idea I like:

Trade Crowder to POR for Noah Vonleh and a pick.

Neat idea, and this is a very Ainge type of move always picking up a pick.  2 questions though is how did Vonleh play last year? His stats aren't great, and seems like very much still a prospect.  Maybe he is due to break out.

Portland already seems like they have a glut of wings in Harkless, Turner ect right? Maybe Turner is more of a backup guard for them, and Harkless isn't doing much.  Maybe they could use more of a steady 3/4 player.

I think he's been a little under utilized by Stotts. He's capable of being a rotation stretch 4 with some shotblocking ability to boot.

I see he is already shooting 35% from 3 as a 21 year old, and he has a strong veteran body, not that of a young player.

[hodgy03038]

I am not against the idea but just tell me why Portland would want to do this?

[JBcat]

I am not against the idea but just tell me why Portland would want to do this?

They seem to have a glut of bigs.  Just drafted Zach Collins to go along with Nurkic, Leonard, Ezeli, and Ed Davis.

Crowder should be an upgrade over Aminu and Harkless at SF, and one of them can be a small ball 4.

[hodgy03038]

I am not against the idea but just tell me why Portland would want to do this?

They seem to have a glut of bigs.  Just drafted Zach Collins to go along with Nurkic, Leonard, Ezeli, and Ed Davis.

Crowder should be an upgrade over Aminu and Harkless at SF, and one of them can be a small ball 4.

Ok good enough. Get it done.

[saltlover]

I am not against the idea but just tell me why Portland would want to do this?

They seem to have a glut of bigs.  Just drafted Zach Collins to go along with Nurkic, Leonard, Ezeli, and Ed Davis.

Crowder should be an upgrade over Aminu and Harkless at SF, and one of them can be a small ball 4.

Portland would not do this.  They are WAY over the luxury tax, and are not looking to add salary.  This trade would cost them about $10 million in luxury tax bill.

(Also, they've waived Ezeli for what it's worth.)

[JBcat]

I am not against the idea but just tell me why Portland would want to do this?

They seem to have a glut of bigs.  Just drafted Zach Collins to go along with Nurkic, Leonard, Ezeli, and Ed Davis.

Crowder should be an upgrade over Aminu and Harkless at SF, and one of them can be a small ball 4.

Portland would not do this.  They are WAY over the luxury tax, and are not looking to add salary.  This trade would cost them about $10 million in luxury tax bill.

(Also, they've waived Ezeli for what it's worth.)

Crazy that Portland did that to themselves with the Turner and Crabbe contracts.  Wouldn't be surprised if they tried trading one of them along with a pick to a team with cap space.

[saltlover]

I am not against the idea but just tell me why Portland would want to do this?

They seem to have a glut of bigs.  Just drafted Zach Collins to go along with Nurkic, Leonard, Ezeli, and Ed Davis.

Crowder should be an upgrade over Aminu and Harkless at SF, and one of them can be a small ball 4.

Portland would not do this.  They are WAY over the luxury tax, and are not looking to add salary.  This trade would cost them about $10 million in luxury tax bill.

(Also, they've waived Ezeli for what it's worth.)

Crazy that Portland did that to themselves with the Turner and Crabbe contracts.  Wouldn't be surprised if they tried trading one of them along with a pick to a team with cap space.

Certainly they will try.  There were rumors that a few teams expected the amnesty provision to be in the new CBA and were surprised/disappointed when one wasn't.  Based on their cap situation/decisions last summer, Portland is clearly one of them.  Washington is another, I'd bet.