What was plan C again?

[Sixth Man]

No matter how many asset's we had there was never a Guarantee that we would land a big time Free Agent..  It always takes two to tango..  You cant force guys to sign nor can you Depend on other GM's to make smart logical Decisions for their organizations. (Those teams suck for a reason)

Building through the Draft was always option A..  Picking up pieces along the way to go with our young talent in my opinion was always the smart play...   If he could land a PG or a Durant or a GH that would be awesome but that is actually a longer shot than finding a Star in the Draft.

Ainge is building a team that can sustain a high level of greatness for the next decade. Thats where the real money is..  He can win a chip this way.. This is why he hired Brad..  To build a champion, not to buy one..

Wonderful post, thank you! 

[Celtics4ever]

Some strong balanced posts here with realistic views and the typical " the sky is falling" stuff that often happens around here.

[Smartacus]

"Plan C" is to be a top five team while likely having four high lottery picks on the roster beginning next season. 

The executive of the year award should be renamed the Danny Ainge award.

Except how often do those draft picks turn into stars?

Hint; RARELY

Steph Curry was the 7th pick in the 2009 Draft
Klay Thompson was the 11th pick in the 2011 Draft
Harrison Barnes was the 7th pick in the 2012 Draft
Draymond Greene was the 35th pick in the 2012 Draft

Trade for Andrew Bogut. Sign Andre Iguodola. Take a flyer on the presumed dead Sean Livingston.

Eventually become so good that you can replace Barnes with Durant and solid options like David West, Javalle McGhee and Zaza Pachulia fall into your lap.

Building through the draft always doesn't mean, closing your eyes, picking the highest upside player, and praying to the basketball gods that you'll get an All Star or 3.

Building through the draft means identifying a culture that you think will make you most successful and taking the most talented players that adhere to the values of your team's collective identity.

If you do it right then the players you draft max out on their potential and when the time come to sign their next contract guys will want to re-sign and remain a part of the brotherhood that you've created.

[celtics2030]

Double post

[Surferdad]

No matter how many asset's we had there was never a Guarantee that we would land a big time Free Agent..  It always takes two to tango..  You cant force guys to sign nor can you Depend on other GM's to make smart logical Decisions for their organizations. (Those teams suck for a reason)

Building through the Draft was always option A..  Picking up pieces along the way to go with our young talent in my opinion was always the smart play...   If he could land a PG or a Durant or a GH that would be awesome but that is actually a longer shot than finding a Star in the Draft.

Ainge is building a team that can sustain a high level of greatness for the next decade. Thats where the real money is..  He can win a chip this way.. This is why he hired Brad..  To build a champion, not to buy one..

Bullsh!t.

He is building a team based on his and the front office's ability to judge top level teenage talent. That's risky stuff. He could just as easily have put the Celtics into mid level NBA hell or worse. And lets face it, he doesn't have the best drafting record. He could have just made a giant mistake in the Fultz trade and Brown is no certified superstar.

I take exception to your calling chiken Green's post BS.  It is actually right on target.  Ainge gets criticized for his drafting record, but it is not easy to find success when you are drafting in the teens and twenties every year.  Beyond that, I question how bad his draft record really is in that range.  He drafted Al Jefferson at 15 who was a decent pro, Delonte West, Rajon Rondo, Ryan Gomes...and some those guys eventually turned into KG.

Regarding Fultz, I am really glad he made that trade.  Fultz will be good but not great.  I think there is something missing there, between the ears...toughness...I dunno just a hunch.  He's not a winner.

EDIT: Take a look at this one, Markelle Fultz vs. Kadeem Allen, the #1 pick vs. a 2nd rounder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq1d6v9uI5c

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Hope Hayward comes then maybe bring back the Klynk if we're lucky?

plan C is me escorting jae crowder to logan international to depart boston for good.

[flybono]

"Plan C" is to be a top five team while likely having four high lottery picks on the roster beginning next season. 

The executive of the year award should be renamed the Danny Ainge award.

Except how often do those draft picks turn into stars?

Hint; RARELY

Steph Curry was the 7th pick in the 2009 Draft
Klay Thompson was the 11th pick in the 2011 Draft
Harrison Barnes was the 7th pick in the 2012 Draft
Draymond Greene was the 35th pick in the 2012 Draft

Trade for Andrew Bogut. Sign Andre Iguodola. Take a flyer on the presumed dead Sean Livingston.

Eventually become so good that you can replace Barnes with Durant and solid options like David West, Javalle McGhee and Zaza Pachulia fall into your lap.

Building through the draft always doesn't mean, closing your eyes, picking the highest upside player, and praying to the basketball gods that you'll get an All Star or 3.

Building through the draft means identifying a culture that you think will make you most successful and taking the most talented players that adhere to the values of your team's collective identity.

If you do it right then the players you draft max out on their potential and when the time come to sign their next contract guys will want to re-sign and remain a part of the brotherhood that you've created.

Let's also be realistic. There was some luck involved in those Selections.
No way GST knew that each one of those players would become elite..
I'm not saying they didn't do their homework, I'm just saying..


The big ? For me is why no Butler. That it the one player who would have fit in at the 3 with a workable conrract

[green_bballers13]

Hope Hayward comes then maybe bring back the Klynk if we're lucky?

plan C is me escorting jae crowder to logan international to depart boston for good.

Why? He puts in good effort and he's on a cheap contract. Why get rid of him until you have a better option, such as Hayward or an experienced Brown/Tatum? There's currently room to play Crowder, Brown, and Tatum.

Is it because you don't like what he says off the court?

[Vermont Green]

Plan A seems to be sign Gordon Hayward and this is very much still in play.  I am not a big fan of Hayward at $29M so I don't have my heart set on this.

Lots of people still seem apprehensive that it is hard to pick stars with Draft picks (which we are loaded with).  I do agree that drafting is a crap shoot but even if half of our picks turn out to busts, we still could end up with a couple of really good players to build around.  Then we need to get lucky here or there (like getting a player like Butler or Green with a late pick) and we will be right there with anyone.  Maybe Zizic will be that surprise pick.

I was hoping for signing Griffin and trading Horford but tough to beat the hometown max contract.  We just need to be really careful not to tie up cap space with bad contracts.  That is worse than not signing anyone.

[Tr1boy]

If Hayward does not sign with the Celts...

sign KO to a 3 year deal

trade...

To Magic: Crowder, Rozier, Nader
To Celtics: Aaron Gordon, Iwundu, Zimmerman

Then sign Waiters to a 3 year 45 million dollar deal

Horford
Gordon
Brown
AB
IT4

KO/Zizic
Tatum
Smart
Waiters/Allen

[Sketch5]

I'd make a push for Thompson. Curry's new deal could cripple them by next year with the amount of taxes they are going to be paying, and no matter how far in the playoffs they go, they wont be able to keep ahead of it.

As much as I like Brown, but AB/Brown/Zeller going out. Zeller is an expiring, and if AB walks they still have Brown under a rookie contract. This also puts AB in a good spot, and makes DA look good.

Yes it helps the Warriors, but I'm more concerned about our team, and Thompson next to IT and Hayward could work really nicely.

[mctyson]

Stay the course. Develop Tatum and Brown. Probably trade Bradley or Smart. Lose to the Cavs again in the ECF. Hope Lakers pick conveys and Brooklyn stink.

[celticinorlando]

If Hayward does not sign (and I think it is a long shot he does), Boston just signs some very minor bench guys and the bring over Yabu and Zizic.

I would not waste money on the garbage that is out there right now. Save the money. Next season, you resign IT (really have to because the chasing superstars and FAs is not working), resign Smart and make a decision on AB.

Looks like they will have 3 first round picks in a really good draft....2 lottery...Will get 2 of the top 5 players (Ayton, Porter, Bamba, Doncic, Bridges, Carter)...

You add those to the guys you resigned as well as the young guys in Brown. Zizic, Yabu and Tatum...and you have 6 or seven player under 22 that is your core

[BDubs]

I think they take one more look at trading for Carmelo after signing Hayward.

IT - Bradley - Hayward - Anthony - Horford is still a good looking team for next year and then Anthony comes off the books due to his option.

I agree & I also think that should Hayward pass on coming to Boston that the Celtics should push for Porzingis along with Carmelo. They would most likely have to give up the 2018 Lakers/2019 Kings pick, but maybe it's possible to overwealm the Knicks with 3 or 4 non premium picks (one or both of Bostons own 2018 & 2019 picks, plus the 2019 Clippers & Grizzlies picks) along with Crowder, Zeller, & other cap filler (& into cap space with Amir & Jerebko most likely getting renounced) could be enough to get the Knicks to play ball. Doing something like this balances the roster with Porzingis being a 4/5 & Carmelo being a 3/4. Carmelo could possibly be open to waiving his no trade clause if he knows Porzingis is coming with him. In this scenario there are still minutes to be had at the 2 & 3 for Brown & behind Melo & Horford for Tatum

[trickybilly]

Celtics are ****ed unless Anthony Davis becomes available in the next 2 years

Some of these picks (Brown, Tatum, BK and LA/Sac picks) WILL be busts

So, don't rely on that

I'm gonna be furious if we deal Jaylen.

But if he goes to Chicago or Milwaukee or Indy or Portland...I'll deal with it..