Paul George Traded To OKC

[nickagneta]

Contrary to what has been stated ad nauseum by some, Lowe reports that the Celtics and Indy had never agreed to a final deal and that Boston didn't turn their head on an agreed upon deal because of Hayward. Apparently even the players and picks hadn't been agreed upon.

Think that clearly shows that Ainge did what he could but that Indy had set for themselves some arbitrary deadline and stuck with it for the best finished negotiations they had. That George is not a Celtic is on Pritchard who couldn't wait 4 days, not Ainge.

[Roy H.]

Contrary to what has been stated ad nauseum by some, Lowe reports that the Celtics and Indy had never agreed to a final deal and that Boston didn't turn their head on an agreed upon deal because of Hayward. Apparently even the players and picks hadn't been agreed upon.

Think that clearly shows that Ainge did what he could but that Indy had set for themselves some arbitrary deadline and stuck with it for the best finished negotiations they had. That George is not a Celtic is on Pritchard who couldn't wait 4 days, not Ainge.

Who said Boston and Indiana had agreed to a final deal? That's called a trade, and I don't think anybody is unser the impression that there's a pending deal sending PG to the Celtics.

Rather, what Woj reported, and Lowe confirms, is that Indiana accepted our offer, but Indiana didn't want to wait.

[SHAQATTACK]

Anyone think it's funny that the hype of this news lasted like 5 hours? Nobody cares anymore that pg and Westbrook are together, or that cp3 and harden are together. lackluster efforts that won't dent the warriors

both are postering to land Lebron .....if the Cavs crap out again.

[MBunge]

^ We could have agreed to a trade but just not consummated it until after the July moratorium. That's exactly what Indy and OKC did. That would have allowed us to both sign Hayward and trade for George.

The "we couldn't have traded for George and sign Hayward" narrative is another false storyline. For whatever reason Danny didn't want George without Hayward, but we absolutely could have had both, whether the deal was agreed to before or after Hayward signed.

I don't think anyone is arguing that we couldn't have done that. I think the point is that Ainge didn't want to commit to a George trade and have to trade 3 starters to go through with it later if Hayward was going to end up choosing another team, because then we likely wouldn't be able to compete with the Cavs and George would walk next summer.

The question still remains, why did the Pacers set their own arbitrary deadline that ended up screwing themselves over?

THIS.  I think you can argue that Ainge should have grabbed Butler or Cousins rather than wait for the chance for Hayward.  Neither of those guys were the same sort of flight risk as George.  But I don't think you can blame him because Indy decided to take a bad deal right away instead of waiting four days.

Mike

[Big333223]

^ We could have agreed to a trade but just not consummated it until after the July moratorium. That's exactly what Indy and OKC did. That would have allowed us to both sign Hayward and trade for George.

The "we couldn't have traded for George and sign Hayward" narrative is another false storyline. For whatever reason Danny didn't want George without Hayward, but we absolutely could have had both, whether the deal was agreed to before or after Hayward signed.

I don't think anyone is arguing that we couldn't have done that. I think the point is that Ainge didn't want to commit to a George trade and have to trade 3 starters to go through with it later if Hayward was going to end up choosing another team, because then we likely wouldn't be able to compete with the Cavs and George would walk next summer.

The question still remains, why did the Pacers set their own arbitrary deadline that ended up screwing themselves over?

Yup.

Seems clear to me that the celtics only felt they could keep George if they got Hayward, so they were only gonna do the deal if they had Hayward in hand.

Indy obviously felt for some reason that they couldn't wait 4 days for Hayward to make a decision.

Indy comes off a lot more dumb than Boston in my eyes.

Exactly.

[nickagneta]

Contrary to what has been stated ad nauseum by some, Lowe reports that the Celtics and Indy had never agreed to a final deal and that Boston didn't turn their head on an agreed upon deal because of Hayward. Apparently even the players and picks hadn't been agreed upon.

Think that clearly shows that Ainge did what he could but that Indy had set for themselves some arbitrary deadline and stuck with it for the best finished negotiations they had. That George is not a Celtic is on Pritchard who couldn't wait 4 days, not Ainge.

Who said Boston and Indiana had agreed to a final deal? That's called a trade, and I don't think anybody is unser the impression that there's a pending deal sending PG to the Celtics.

Rather, what Woj reported, and Lowe confirms, is that Indiana accepted our offer, but Indiana didn't want to wait.

Actually that isn't what was reported. Woj said Indy wanted a deal of Crowder and Smart with 3 first rounders. He didn't say that was offered by Boston or accepted by Indy. He also said Boston wanted to wait. Lowe reports deals were discussed regarding two players and three picks or three players and two picks. That sure sounds like a final offer was never given and Lowe mentions nothing regarding Indy accepting an offer. He did confirm Boston wanted to wait.

That's what's being reported. You're reading stuff into it that just isn't there

[cman88]

if only Indy didn't get an itchy trigger finger...

[SparzWizard]

What could have been the start of a dynasty if Indy wasn't stupid as hell.

IT4/Brown/George/Hayward/Horford.

[Moranis]

Contrary to what has been stated ad nauseum by some, Lowe reports that the Celtics and Indy had never agreed to a final deal and that Boston didn't turn their head on an agreed upon deal because of Hayward. Apparently even the players and picks hadn't been agreed upon.

Think that clearly shows that Ainge did what he could but that Indy had set for themselves some arbitrary deadline and stuck with it for the best finished negotiations they had. That George is not a Celtic is on Pritchard who couldn't wait 4 days, not Ainge.

Who said Boston and Indiana had agreed to a final deal? That's called a trade, and I don't think anybody is unser the impression that there's a pending deal sending PG to the Celtics.

Rather, what Woj reported, and Lowe confirms, is that Indiana accepted our offer, but Indiana didn't want to wait.

Actually that isn't what was reported. Woj said Indy wanted a deal of Crowder and Smart with 3 first rounders. He didn't say that was offered by Boston or accepted by Indy. He also said Boston wanted to wait. Lowe reports deals were discussed regarding two players and three picks or three players and two picks. That sure sounds like a final offer was never given and Lowe mentions nothing regarding Indy accepting an offer. He did confirm Boston wanted to wait.

That's what's being reported. You're reading stuff into it that just isn't there

I don't think Roy is reading anything into, I think Roy is saying that if Indy wanted Crowder, Smart, and 3 late 1st's for George that Ainge should have jumped at the chance to accept that trade and Ainge made a big error in not doing so.  All Ainge had to say was, we accept but can't make it official until we use our cap space, but Indy even if we don't land Hayward we still have a deal, just give us a week.   

[Roy H.]

Contrary to what has been stated ad nauseum by some, Lowe reports that the Celtics and Indy had never agreed to a final deal and that Boston didn't turn their head on an agreed upon deal because of Hayward. Apparently even the players and picks hadn't been agreed upon.

Think that clearly shows that Ainge did what he could but that Indy had set for themselves some arbitrary deadline and stuck with it for the best finished negotiations they had. That George is not a Celtic is on Pritchard who couldn't wait 4 days, not Ainge.

Who said Boston and Indiana had agreed to a final deal? That's called a trade, and I don't think anybody is unser the impression that there's a pending deal sending PG to the Celtics.

Rather, what Woj reported, and Lowe confirms, is that Indiana accepted our offer, but Indiana didn't want to wait.

Actually that isn't what was reported. Woj said Indy wanted a deal of Crowder and Smart with 3 first rounders. He didn't say that was offered by Boston or accepted by Indy. He also said Boston wanted to wait. Lowe reports deals were discussed regarding two players and three picks or three players and two picks. That sure sounds like a final offer was never given and Lowe mentions nothing regarding Indy accepting an offer. He did confirm Boston wanted to wait.

That's what's being reported. You're reading stuff into it that just isn't there

I don't think Roy is reading anything into, I think Roy is saying that if Indy wanted Crowder, Smart, and 3 late 1st's for George that Ainge should have jumped at the chance to accept that trade and Ainge made a big error in not doing so.  All Ainge had to say was, we accept but can't make it official until we use our cap space, but Indy even if we don't land Hayward we still have a deal, just give us a week.   

Exactly right.

[SHAQATTACK]

if only Indy didn't get an itchy trigger finger...

IMO .....it was done in spite,  not wanting the be part of anything that helps the Celtics .   If Larry had been still part of the decsion and taken the offer , we d never heard the end of it.

[footey]

if only Indy didn't get an itchy trigger finger...

IMO .....it was done in spite,  not wanting the be part of anything that helps the Celtics .   If Larry had been still part of the decsion and taken the offer , we d never heard the end of it.

Yeah, there does not seem to be any reason at all for Indy to demand an answer so quickly.  Afraid that OKC would pull their "lucrative" offer? Please.

[footey]

Contrary to what has been stated ad nauseum by some, Lowe reports that the Celtics and Indy had never agreed to a final deal and that Boston didn't turn their head on an agreed upon deal because of Hayward. Apparently even the players and picks hadn't been agreed upon.

Think that clearly shows that Ainge did what he could but that Indy had set for themselves some arbitrary deadline and stuck with it for the best finished negotiations they had. That George is not a Celtic is on Pritchard who couldn't wait 4 days, not Ainge.

Who said Boston and Indiana had agreed to a final deal? That's called a trade, and I don't think anybody is unser the impression that there's a pending deal sending PG to the Celtics.

Rather, what Woj reported, and Lowe confirms, is that Indiana accepted our offer, but Indiana didn't want to wait.

Actually that isn't what was reported. Woj said Indy wanted a deal of Crowder and Smart with 3 first rounders. He didn't say that was offered by Boston or accepted by Indy. He also said Boston wanted to wait. Lowe reports deals were discussed regarding two players and three picks or three players and two picks. That sure sounds like a final offer was never given and Lowe mentions nothing regarding Indy accepting an offer. He did confirm Boston wanted to wait.

That's what's being reported. You're reading stuff into it that just isn't there

I don't think Roy is reading anything into, I think Roy is saying that if Indy wanted Crowder, Smart, and 3 late 1st's for George that Ainge should have jumped at the chance to accept that trade and Ainge made a big error in not doing so.  All Ainge had to say was, we accept but can't make it official until we use our cap space, but Indy even if we don't land Hayward we still have a deal, just give us a week.   

Exactly right.

2 things:

1. Indy behaved irrationally by demanding that we put our offer in prematurely. They knew our circumstances, and also knew we would offer a better package.
2. Maybe Danny would never have included 3 non-lotto firsts. Crowder and Smart alone, when factoring in salary, was more attractive offer than OKC.  Plus inasmuch as we are retaining as many future assets as possible, including non-lottery 1st rounders, in the hopes of acquiring a disgruntled super star next year (e.g., AD, or even Porzingis), would not surprise me if Ainge was unwilling to include 3 firsts, especially following George's recent pronouncement that he intends to sign with Lakers in 2018.

[Fan from VT]

if only Indy didn't get an itchy trigger finger...

IMO .....it was done in spite,  not wanting the be part of anything that helps the Celtics .   If Larry had been still part of the decsion and taken the offer , we d never heard the end of it.

Yeah, there does not seem to be any reason at all for Indy to demand an answer so quickly.  Afraid that OKC would pull their "lucrative" offer? Please.

Yeah, it is still confusing. Not great return for them. I would have thought their best strategy would have been to keep george until the SF free agent pool dried up (hayward, gallo), and hope a team who mussed out on those might get more desparate.

[Roy H.]

Contrary to what has been stated ad nauseum by some, Lowe reports that the Celtics and Indy had never agreed to a final deal and that Boston didn't turn their head on an agreed upon deal because of Hayward. Apparently even the players and picks hadn't been agreed upon.

Think that clearly shows that Ainge did what he could but that Indy had set for themselves some arbitrary deadline and stuck with it for the best finished negotiations they had. That George is not a Celtic is on Pritchard who couldn't wait 4 days, not Ainge.

Who said Boston and Indiana had agreed to a final deal? That's called a trade, and I don't think anybody is unser the impression that there's a pending deal sending PG to the Celtics.

Rather, what Woj reported, and Lowe confirms, is that Indiana accepted our offer, but Indiana didn't want to wait.

Actually that isn't what was reported. Woj said Indy wanted a deal of Crowder and Smart with 3 first rounders. He didn't say that was offered by Boston or accepted by Indy. He also said Boston wanted to wait. Lowe reports deals were discussed regarding two players and three picks or three players and two picks. That sure sounds like a final offer was never given and Lowe mentions nothing regarding Indy accepting an offer. He did confirm Boston wanted to wait.

That's what's being reported. You're reading stuff into it that just isn't there

I don't think Roy is reading anything into, I think Roy is saying that if Indy wanted Crowder, Smart, and 3 late 1st's for George that Ainge should have jumped at the chance to accept that trade and Ainge made a big error in not doing so.  All Ainge had to say was, we accept but can't make it official until we use our cap space, but Indy even if we don't land Hayward we still have a deal, just give us a week.   

Exactly right.

2 things:

1. Indy behaved irrationally by demanding that we put our offer in prematurely. They knew our circumstances, and also knew we would offer a better package.
2. Maybe Danny would never have included 3 non-lotto firsts. Crowder and Smart alone, when factoring in salary, was more attractive offer than OKC.  Plus inasmuch as we are retaining as many future assets as possible, including non-lottery 1st rounders, in the hopes of acquiring a disgruntled super star next year (e.g., AD, or even Porzingis), would not surprise me if Ainge was unwilling to include 3 firsts, especially following George's recent pronouncement that he intends to sign with Lakers in 2018.

1. What was the harm in giving a handshake?

2. The reported Celtics offers, from Woj, Lowe and others, included the 3 firsts.