Ricky Rubio Traded to The Utah Jazz

[MBunge]

On paper, the talent they have is younger and still has untapped potential.

In reality, they were a team relying on 87-year-old Joe Johnson in the playoffs.

Mike

[RJ87]

Rubio doesn't move any needle.

Celtics obviously have the best team.

Best record of the three, and were 5-0 against them last season.

Rubio isn't keeping him in Utah. If he stays, it's not because of this move. Miami missed the playoffs in a weak East. They aren't become elite with Hayward.

Again, it stabilizes a position of need for the Jazz + Rubio is cost controlled so it puts them in better financial position to bring back Joe Ingles - who Hayward also really wanted resigned and who shares an agent with Hayward.

This is sneaky good move on their part.

Is it really improving their team though? I don't see an avenue for them to add another star, which is kind of what they need unless they are fine staying as a 4-6 seed in the West. (Warriors, Spurs Top-2, and now Houston is stacked, with Minnesota rising as well as gritty teams in OKC, MEMPHIS, and Portland).

They lose shooting with Hill, but Rubio is a better playmaker and just as good defensively, IMO. I actually like a passing point guard for Gobert more than Hill.

They still have youngsters (Hood and Exum) who could make the leap. Isn't that kind of what we're doing too? Plus Gobert is only 25 and very well may have another level he hasn't reached.

On paper, the talent they have is younger and still has untapped potential. On contrary, our biggest proven pieces are Horford, who's 31 and IT, who may need hip surgery.

Wait you mention Hood and Exum but not Brown and Tatum (or the Nets pick). That doesn't make sense.

"They still have youngsters (Hood and Exum) who could make the leap. Isn't that kind of what we're doing too?"

[CelticsElite]

Minnesota wins because they will probably get one of lowry / rondo / rose

would be real interesting if Thibs somehow got 1 of lowry/rondo as well as rose on a small deal

rondo/rose/butler

you now have the bulls reunion in minnesota lol

[Phantom255x]

On paper, the talent they have is younger and still has untapped potential.

In reality, they were a team relying on 87-year-old Joe Johnson in the playoffs.

Mike

Plus they needed 7 games to beat a Clippers team that didn't have Griffin half the series.

And they lost scoring from Hill, which is kind of what they need to have any chance against teams like HOU, SAS, GSW.

Now where's that extra scoring coming from? (Because it sure as hell won't from Rubio)

[Darío SpanishFan]

Minnesota wins because they will probably get one of lowry / rondo / rose

There is no certainty of it. You can't rely on this hypothesis to set the winner of the trade.

[cousytoheinsohn]

boy, i thought rubio was good enough as a pg to merit more than a late first round pick with a ton of protection.

show you what i know. 

 He can't shoot. This is the new NBA.

Yep, exactly. That's always been the problem with Ricky.

[Billz401]

Rubio doesn't move any needle.

Celtics obviously have the best team.

Best record of the three, and were 5-0 against them last season.

Rubio isn't keeping him in Utah. If he stays, it's not because of this move. Miami missed the playoffs in a weak East. They aren't become elite with Hayward.

Again, it stabilizes a position of need for the Jazz + Rubio is cost controlled so it puts them in better financial position to bring back Joe Ingles - who Hayward also really wanted resigned and who shares an agent with Hayward.

This is sneaky good move on their part.

Is it really improving their team though? I don't see an avenue for them to add another star, which is kind of what they need unless they are fine staying as a 4-6 seed in the West. (Warriors, Spurs Top-2, and now Houston is stacked, with Minnesota rising as well as gritty teams in OKC, MEMPHIS, and Portland).

They lose shooting with Hill, but Rubio is a better playmaker and just as good defensively, IMO. I actually like a passing point guard for Gobert more than Hill.

They still have youngsters (Hood and Exum) who could make the leap. Isn't that kind of what we're doing too? Plus Gobert is only 25 and very well may have another level he hasn't reached.

On paper, the talent they have is younger and still has untapped potential. On contrary, our biggest proven pieces are Horford, who's 31 and IT, who may need hip surgery.

Wait you mention Hood and Exum but not Brown and Tatum (or the Nets pick). That doesn't make sense.

Nvm the fact that they both are constantly injured and extremely underperformed, especially exum

[celticsclay]

Rubio doesn't move any needle.

Celtics obviously have the best team.

Best record of the three, and were 5-0 against them last season.

Rubio isn't keeping him in Utah. If he stays, it's not because of this move. Miami missed the playoffs in a weak East. They aren't become elite with Hayward.

Again, it stabilizes a position of need for the Jazz + Rubio is cost controlled so it puts them in better financial position to bring back Joe Ingles - who Hayward also really wanted resigned and who shares an agent with Hayward.

This is sneaky good move on their part.

Is it really improving their team though? I don't see an avenue for them to add another star, which is kind of what they need unless they are fine staying as a 4-6 seed in the West. (Warriors, Spurs Top-2, and now Houston is stacked, with Minnesota rising as well as gritty teams in OKC, MEMPHIS, and Portland).

They lose shooting with Hill, but Rubio is a better playmaker and just as good defensively, IMO. I actually like a passing point guard for Gobert more than Hill.

They still have youngsters (Hood and Exum) who could make the leap. Isn't that kind of what we're doing too? Plus Gobert is only 25 and very well may have another level he hasn't reached.

On paper, the talent they have is younger and still has untapped potential. On contrary, our biggest proven pieces are Horford, who's 31 and IT, who may need hip surgery.

Wait you mention Hood and Exum but not Brown and Tatum (or the Nets pick). That doesn't make sense.

"They still have youngsters (Hood and Exum) who could make the leap. Isn't that kind of what we're doing too?"

I think Hood and Exum are probably better compared to Smart and Rozier both guys that have had their moments but have been mostly underwelming. We then have Brown and Tatum as extremely raw rookies with high upside. That is another way we crush them (plus the brooklyn pick. They don't have anything that compares to that.

I will reiterate I don't really know how someone is seriously saying Utah is more appealing without Hayward than Boston is without Hayward. We were at worst an even team with them last year when they HAD him. Now you take him away and they are not competitive with us.
IT is several levels better than Rubio (if someone disagrees that is not worth my time to debate because we are never going to agree)
Bradley is better than Joe Ingles
Crowder is better than Joe Johnson at 38 (who can only play 20 mins)
Smart is better than Shelvin Mack or Hood

Their one advantage is Gobert is better than Horford but that doesn't offset everything else...
Really bizarre talking point popping up here.

[hpantazo]

i wonder if this means thibs is going to go hard after rondo

Or Lowry or both.

The TWolves have options at PG, Rondo, Lowry, and Rose are all viable candidates. Together with the addition of Butler, they will be a very good team next season.

[Bucketgetter]

boy, i thought rubio was good enough as a pg to merit more than a late first round pick with a ton of protection.

show you what i know. 

I wouldn’t call a lottery protected first "a ton of protection”. Also I don’t think a mediocre playoff team like OKC will yield a late first round pick. Most likely Russ barely drags that team back to the playoffs and the wolves get a late teens or early 20s pick. Thats a pretty good asset to get when you’re most likely going to get a better fit at point guard in free agency like Lowry, Holiday, or Teague.

[CelticSooner]

Hayward isn't returning to Utah without George Hill.

[CelticsElite]

 Agree^

[TheBig3]

Hayward isn't returning to Utah without George Hill.

Does this open up cap room for the Jazz to trade for George and resign Hayward?

[tazzmaniac]

i wonder if this means thibs is going to go hard after rondo

Or Lowry or both.

The TWolves have options at PG, Rondo, Lowry, and Rose are all viable candidates. Together with the addition of Butler, they will be a very good team next season.

I don't think those options are high on their list.  Lowry is too old and too expensive.  If they are going to spend big bucks, they'd be better off going after Holiday.  With Butler and Wiggins, they need a PG that can shoot off ball and hopefully play some defense.  Don't think Rondo or Rose fit there.  Teague is more likely. 

Personally, I'd try to trade for Beverley.  They just picked up a 1st to include in the offer.

[RJ87]

Rubio doesn't move any needle.

Celtics obviously have the best team.

Best record of the three, and were 5-0 against them last season.

Rubio isn't keeping him in Utah. If he stays, it's not because of this move. Miami missed the playoffs in a weak East. They aren't become elite with Hayward.

Again, it stabilizes a position of need for the Jazz + Rubio is cost controlled so it puts them in better financial position to bring back Joe Ingles - who Hayward also really wanted resigned and who shares an agent with Hayward.

This is sneaky good move on their part.

Is it really improving their team though? I don't see an avenue for them to add another star, which is kind of what they need unless they are fine staying as a 4-6 seed in the West. (Warriors, Spurs Top-2, and now Houston is stacked, with Minnesota rising as well as gritty teams in OKC, MEMPHIS, and Portland).

They lose shooting with Hill, but Rubio is a better playmaker and just as good defensively, IMO. I actually like a passing point guard for Gobert more than Hill.

They still have youngsters (Hood and Exum) who could make the leap. Isn't that kind of what we're doing too? Plus Gobert is only 25 and very well may have another level he hasn't reached.

On paper, the talent they have is younger and still has untapped potential. On contrary, our biggest proven pieces are Horford, who's 31 and IT, who may need hip surgery.

Wait you mention Hood and Exum but not Brown and Tatum (or the Nets pick). That doesn't make sense.

"They still have youngsters (Hood and Exum) who could make the leap. Isn't that kind of what we're doing too?"

I think Hood and Exum are probably better compared to Smart and Rozier both guys that have had their moments but have been mostly underwelming. We then have Brown and Tatum as extremely raw rookies with high upside. That is another way we crush them (plus the brooklyn pick. They don't have anything that compares to that.

I will reiterate I don't really know how someone is seriously saying Utah is more appealing without Hayward than Boston is without Hayward. We were at worst an even team with them last year when they HAD him. Now you take him away and they are not competitive with us.
IT is several levels better than Rubio (if someone disagrees that is not worth my time to debate because we are never going to agree)
Bradley is better than Joe Ingles
Crowder is better than Joe Johnson at 38 (who can only play 20 mins)
Smart is better than Shelvin Mack or Hood

Their one advantage is Gobert is better than Horford but that doesn't offset everything else...
Really bizarre talking point popping up here.

Taking off my gotten tinted glasses. I feel pretty comfortable saying that none of these players care about future draft picks. These guys want to win NOW and future picks ain't doin' that.  They're complete unknowns. Plus, ya know, once you draft them they have to develop. I have yet to see an FA say "yeah, I signed with them because of their future draft picks". Front offices and online forums are the only ones obsessed with picks.

Yes, IT is better than Rubio. But IT is also a 5'9" guard coming off a hip injury.

Smart isn't better than Hood. He's also a role player with significant holes in his game. That's a push.

Crowder is better in theory than Joe Johnson, but they have about the same consistency at this point. But I know, his contract... #GreatValueJae

Bradley is better than Ingles. As long as he's healthy.

Sorry, but Boston doesn't "crush" Utah as comfortably as you think.