Lowe speculation of offer to Pacers

[Chief]

Ignoring everything else, would much rather keep AB than Smart.  Smart is just a bad basketball player.  Good (not great) defender, sure.  But awful offensive player that doesn't project to get better.

Lol

I know this. Smart is better at defending Kyrie than AB. Since you have to beat Cleveland to advance, I choose Smart.

[jpotter33]

Part of the article that has gone unnoticed so far is Lowe reporting that sources close to George have reported that George is "intrigued" with the idea of playing with Hayward.

You have to think that these two have discussed this and tried coming up with some sort of plan to make it happen. Obviously Boston is the easiest and best place for that to happen, so this also bodes well for us.

[Birdman]

I wouldn't trade for George unless he sign for 3 years..if its a one year rental, I pass

[A Future of Stevens]

I thought this was the most important part of the Lowe piece:

Despite reports to the contrary, Boston has not included any of the following in its offers to the Pacers, per league sources: Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, the 2018 Nets pick, and the Lakers-Kings pick Boston snared from Philly in the Markelle Fultz blockbuster.

That means, if Hayward signs with the C's, they could actually be adding 2 all stars to a team with Isaiah Thomas and Al Horford while still having the young players and assets of a team in full tank mode.

Incredible, if Ainge pulls this off.

That is the part that blows my mind. Like hypothetically, we could roll out a big 4 of Horford, PG13, IT4, and Hayward. We would be paying crazy tax over the next couple years, but it would be worth it. And on top of this, we can try and backfill our elite talent with Brown, Tatum, the Lakers/kings Pick and the BRK 18. Hopefully 18 gets us a big who can take Horford's spot down the line.

This rebuild could be looked at as masterclass in a few years if he pulls it all off.

[arctic 3.0]

I thought this was the most important part of the Lowe piece:

Despite reports to the contrary, Boston has not included any of the following in its offers to the Pacers, per league sources: Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, the 2018 Nets pick, and the Lakers-Kings pick Boston snared from Philly in the Markelle Fultz blockbuster.

That means, if Hayward signs with the C's, they could actually be adding 2 all stars to a team with Isaiah Thomas and Al Horford while still having the young players and assets of a team in full tank mode.

Incredible, if Ainge pulls this off.

That is the part that blows my mind. Like hypothetically, we could roll out a big 4 of Horford, PG13, IT4, and Hayward. We would be paying crazy tax over the next couple years, but it would be worth it. And on top of this, we can try and backfill our elite talent with Brown, Tatum, the Lakers/kings Pick and the BRK 18. Hopefully 18 gets us a big who can take Horford's spot down the line.

This rebuild could be looked at as masterclass in a few years if he pulls it all off.

This rebuild is already a master class

[mef730]

I think Zach's point is Indiana doesnt want a one year rental in Bradley, ironically.

I think the final deal will be Jae, Salary filler, Lakers OR Brooklyn Pick.

To get even more under the cap, i can forsee trading Bradley for picks.

Agree except no way the Brooklyn pick, unless with heavy protection (top 10 at least).

They are not going to accept a heavily protected brooklyn pick (especially not down to the top 10) because what is the alternative; a lump of coal?

No, the alternative is Bradley/Crowder/LAC + MEM picks. That deal is better than anything he is going to get elsewhere. So let's review the four options:

1) Let George go next year for nothing

2) Hope that someone makes a better offer as the season goes on. Maybe they get lucky and hope that somebody who feels that they win with George throws their entire future at them to rent the guy for the second half of the year.

3) Accept a worse offer from somebody else just to spite the Celtics.

4) Take a good offer from the Cs, which doesn't give you everything you want but gets you more than you get elsewhere.

Mike

[RJ87]

I wouldn't trade for George unless he sign for 3 years..if its a one year rental, I pass

That won't happen, we don't have the requisite cap room to renegotiate his current contract unless - as Saltover has mentioned 141,744,251 times - we trade Al in a salary dump.

Everyone needs to get the extension out of their heads. It makes ZERO sense for him financially and we don't have the cap to make it work.

[BostonClamCrowdah]

Can we stop saying that crowder/Bradley/non good picks is better than anything they'll get?

That's not true

[footey]

Part of the article that has gone unnoticed so far is Lowe reporting that sources close to George have reported that George is "intrigued" with the idea of playing with Hayward.

You have to think that these two have discussed this and tried coming up with some sort of plan to make it happen. Obviously Boston is the easiest and best place for that to happen, so this also bodes well for us.

Yeah, the gist of the article is that the Celtics are in a pretty good position, all things considered. The headline on the home page somewhat misses that.

[RJ87]

Part of the article that has gone unnoticed so far is Lowe reporting that sources close to George have reported that George is "intrigued" with the idea of playing with Hayward.

You have to think that these two have discussed this and tried coming up with some sort of plan to make it happen. Obviously Boston is the easiest and best place for that to happen, so this also bodes well for us.

Yeah, I that's mostly what I took away. Still, you would think that would spur the Celtics into actually attaching an asset Indy wants; I'm in favor of giving up the LAL/Memphis pick, but not the Nets pick. Rental risk or not, Paul George is still an All-Star who plays elite on both ends of the court who's smack in the middle of his prime - you're gonna have to give up something of value to get something of value. That way, they can go into the meeting with Hayward and be like "we've got a deal for PG in place, all we need is a yes from you." That pitch has to blow anything Miami or Utah can offer from a team perspective. If Gordon is as committed to winning as we've been lead to believe, that likely closes the deal.

My worst case scenario is Danny continues to play smug and the day before or the day of our Gordon pitch, PG is traded somewhere else and then Gordon passes. To me, that's an off-season failure.

[tarheelsxxiii]

The OP is misrepresenting Lowe's article.  He is not reporting on the Celtics' offer, but speculating on it. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents-19771192/zach-lowe-2017-nba-free-agency-preview-including-celtics-lakers-heat-more

Correct.  It's also a poor speculation because Smart+Crowder doesn't work for matching salaries, and by the time you've gotten to the point where you have Hayward on your team, Smart, Bradley, Crowder, and Brown are the only salaries on your team that you can trade if you're keeping IT and Horford.  And since he says Brown won't be traded, you're left with Bradley, Crowder, and Smart.  The only combination that matches is Bradley and Crowder, or all three.  Not Smart+Crowder.

I think Lowe meant to say Bradley+Crowder, because he also talks about a roster next season that includes Smart.

I've reached the point where I trust you more than Lowe and any other reporters regarding anything salary or CBA related. 

[Phantom255x]

The OP is misrepresenting Lowe's article.  He is not reporting on the Celtics' offer, but speculating on it. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents-19771192/zach-lowe-2017-nba-free-agency-preview-including-celtics-lakers-heat-more

He's also saying there is no way the Celtics can extend George right off the bat without getting rid of Horford, which is contradictory to popular belief around here.

Crowder alone for a 1 year rental is too much, nevermind everything else.

The only reason that's contrary to the popular belief is because not enough people have read the dozens of posts I've made saying that this is in fact the case.  And it pretty much is.  Either you trade everyone but Horford (including IT) to make room for an extension, or you trade Horford.

Lowe is right.  I am right.  People who choose to believe otherwise are not.

@saltlover to those "people"  :

[Dino Pitino]

So after this thread the renegotiating-and-extending idea is dead, right? We're either trading for George as a rental or maybe he decides to stay. That's it. In which case, there's no way I include Smart in the deal. We're gonna need him to win games. If we don't win enough, George won't want to stay. Keeping Smart is crucial to our chances of keeping George. I say we offer Bradley, Crowder, and the LAL pick. The LAL pick might seem a steep price for a possible rental, but it's basically gravy.

[Dino Pitino]

The OP is misrepresenting Lowe's article.  He is not reporting on the Celtics' offer, but speculating on it. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents-19771192/zach-lowe-2017-nba-free-agency-preview-including-celtics-lakers-heat-more

He's also saying there is no way the Celtics can extend George right off the bat without getting rid of Horford, which is contradictory to popular belief around here.

Crowder alone for a 1 year rental is too much, nevermind everything else.

The only reason that's contrary to the popular belief is because not enough people have read the dozens of posts I've made saying that this is in fact the case.  And it pretty much is.  Either you trade everyone but Horford (including IT) to make room for an extension, or you trade Horford.

Lowe is right.  I am right.  People who choose to believe otherwise are not.

So you are saying our salary cap is unlimited? Shocking.

All kidding aside, I for one am very appreciative of your countless posts about the cap. It helps give a better understanding of our current situation, without actually sifting through the CBA in regards to cap rules.

Although seeing you rehash the same exact cap implications in thread after thread is getting a little ridiculous to read. I can't imagine how frustrating it is to type out basically the same implications over and over.

TP as always for making me feel a bit smarter than the average BBall fan Salt.

Word. TP for you and salt.

[KGBirdBias]

Why are some assuming that Ainge can't make several deals? Why is PG the only deal to make to get the money right for the team?