Lowe speculation of offer to Pacers

[jbpats]

The OP is misrepresenting Lowe's article.  He is not reporting on the Celtics' offer, but speculating on it. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents-19771192/zach-lowe-2017-nba-free-agency-preview-including-celtics-lakers-heat-more

He's also saying there is no way the Celtics can extend George right off the bat without getting rid of Horford, which is contradictory to popular belief around here.

Crowder alone for a 1 year rental is too much, nevermind everything else.

The only reason that's contrary to the popular belief is because not enough people have read the dozens of posts I've made saying that this is in fact the case.  And it pretty much is.  Either you trade everyone but Horford (including IT) to make room for an extension, or you trade Horford.

Lowe is right.  I am right.  People who choose to believe otherwise are not.

HA, TP Saltlover.. I never questioned you.

[wdleehi]

It looks like he moves AB later for a player making no more then 3 million so there is room to sign Hayward. 


Basically to get Hayward and George, he moves both Smart and AB (as well as Crowder)

[BostonClamCrowdah]

Zero chance it can be done without one of the good picks

Just Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing offer the LA/SAC pick and let's get on with this

Again, if someone told you last week

"Hey Ainge can get his guy in this years draft, and then get George without giving up the Brooklyn pick, our 2017 draftee, or Brown would you do it?"

That's where we are at. Why the hell would he not offer that pick

[ETNCeltics]

Zero chance it can be done without one of the good picks

Just ****ing offer the LA/SAC pick and let's get on with this

Again, if someone told you last week

"Hey Ainge can get his guy in this years draft, and then get George without giving up the Brooklyn pick, our 2017 draftee, or Brown would you do it?"

That's where we are at. Why the hell would he not offer that pick

Because you get to keep draftees for several years, you may only get PG for one year.

And no one else under consideration will give them anything approaching the LAL/SAC pick or Brown. Why should Ainge offer it? Indy almost has to trade PG, and even without those assets,  we can give them a better deal than anyone else. Unless LAL offers up Ingram and their next #1, we can make the best offer and not give up our best assets.

[Big333223]

I thought this was the most important part of the Lowe piece:

Despite reports to the contrary, Boston has not included any of the following in its offers to the Pacers, per league sources: Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, the 2018 Nets pick, and the Lakers-Kings pick Boston snared from Philly in the Markelle Fultz blockbuster.

That means, if Hayward signs with the C's, they could actually be adding 2 all stars to a team with Isaiah Thomas and Al Horford while still having the young players and assets of a team in full tank mode.

Incredible, if Ainge pulls this off.

[jpotter33]

I thought this was the most important part of the Lowe piece:

Despite reports to the contrary, Boston has not included any of the following in its offers to the Pacers, per league sources: Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, the 2018 Nets pick, and the Lakers-Kings pick Boston snared from Philly in the Markelle Fultz blockbuster.

That means, if Hayward signs with the C's, they could actually be adding 2 all stars to a team with Isaiah Thomas and Al Horford while still having the young players and assets of a team in full tank mode.

Incredible, if Ainge pulls this off.

Eh, I think this just means he isn't willing to put any of those things onto the table UNLESS we get Hayward. I fully expect the Lakers pick to be included in the deal if we get Hayward/Griffin here. It seems to be an "all or nothing" deal with a George trade at this point, meaning we'll only trade for him if we have a Hayward or Griffin already agreed to signing here.

[Big333223]

I thought this was the most important part of the Lowe piece:

Despite reports to the contrary, Boston has not included any of the following in its offers to the Pacers, per league sources: Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, the 2018 Nets pick, and the Lakers-Kings pick Boston snared from Philly in the Markelle Fultz blockbuster.

That means, if Hayward signs with the C's, they could actually be adding 2 all stars to a team with Isaiah Thomas and Al Horford while still having the young players and assets of a team in full tank mode.

Incredible, if Ainge pulls this off.

Eh, I think this just means he isn't willing to put any of those things onto the table UNLESS we get Hayward. I fully expect the Lakers pick to be included in the deal if we get Hayward/Griffin here. It seems to be an "all or nothing" deal with a George trade at this point, meaning we'll only trade for him if we have a Hayward or Griffin already agreed to signing here.

You could be right. But if the Celtics offer Crowder, Bradley, BOS '18, and one of the LAC/MEM picks is there any team trumping that? Heck, if you have to, throw in both LAC and MEM picks along with BOS. You've still got the best draft assets and all your young players and you're bringing in Hayward and George and the only real players you're giving up are guys whose minutes are going to be eaten by Hayward and George anyway.

[droopdog7]

Ignoring everything else, would much rather keep AB than Smart.  Smart is just a bad basketball player.  Good (not great) defender, sure.  But awful offensive player that doesn't project to get better.

[chiken Green]

Ainge Double Downed last years 1st pick for two shots at a high pick next year..  The Laker Pick could end up #2 and the BK could be #4 or 5 for all he or anyone else knows..

Ainge is a gambler, No way does he get rid of the two huge franchise changing shots in the dark this year for a possible 1 year rental - especially when he doesnt have to..

(Dream Scenario) Landing #1 and #2 next year...   I think this is his ultimate fantasy..  A 1 yr Rental is not worth waking up early for if this is what he is seeing in his head.

[A Future of Stevens]

The OP is misrepresenting Lowe's article.  He is not reporting on the Celtics' offer, but speculating on it. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents-19771192/zach-lowe-2017-nba-free-agency-preview-including-celtics-lakers-heat-more

He's also saying there is no way the Celtics can extend George right off the bat without getting rid of Horford, which is contradictory to popular belief around here.

Crowder alone for a 1 year rental is too much, nevermind everything else.

The only reason that's contrary to the popular belief is because not enough people have read the dozens of posts I've made saying that this is in fact the case.  And it pretty much is.  Either you trade everyone but Horford (including IT) to make room for an extension, or you trade Horford.

Lowe is right.  I am right.  People who choose to believe otherwise are not.

So you are saying our salary cap is unlimited? Shocking.

All kidding aside, I for one am very appreciative of your countless posts about the cap. It helps give a better understanding of our current situation, without actually sifting through the CBA in regards to cap rules.

Although seeing you rehash the same exact cap implications in thread after thread is getting a little ridiculous to read. I can't imagine how frustrating it is to type out basically the same implications over and over.

TP as always for making me feel a bit smarter than the average BBall fan Salt.

[footey]

I think Zach's point is Indiana doesnt want a one year rental in Bradley, ironically.

I think the final deal will be Jae, Salary filler, Lakers OR Brooklyn Pick.

To get even more under the cap, i can forsee trading Bradley for picks.

Agree except no way the Brooklyn pick, unless with heavy protection (top 10 at least).

[Bobshot]

Bradley will have to be moved. They cannot afford to keep him and sign others

That's the way I read it. Bradley and Crowder. And that assumes they cut Zeller and KO.

[footey]

Lowe basically says George is ours for the taking if we include the LA pick.  I'd be inclined to do that so long as we give it top 3-4 protection.  So that way, if LA lands 2-4 it goes to us, 5 it goes to Indy. If it lands 1-4 (meaning Indy doesn't get pick), then they get our rights to the Kings pick, subject to top 4 protection.  If as a result of these protections, Indy gets neither, then we have to give them one of our own future 1 picks, without protection. 

I know it's complicated, but Ainge loves structuring these type of contingencies. This creates more liquidity for his biggest assets, which are the draft picks.

[jpotter33]

Ignoring everything else, would much rather keep AB than Smart.  Smart is just a bad basketball player.  Good (not great) defender, sure.  But awful offensive player that doesn't project to get better.

Lol

[droopdog7]

I think Zach's point is Indiana doesnt want a one year rental in Bradley, ironically.

I think the final deal will be Jae, Salary filler, Lakers OR Brooklyn Pick.

To get even more under the cap, i can forsee trading Bradley for picks.

Agree except no way the Brooklyn pick, unless with heavy protection (top 10 at least).

They are not going to accept a heavily protected brooklyn pick (especially not down to the top 10) because what is the alternative; a lump of coal?