Gordon Hayward To Meet With Jazz, Heat, And Celtics In Coming Week

[saltlover]

Some states base an athlete's taxable income on the # of games, not the # of days. And some states have a special tax just for athletes.

The state tax in Utah and Mass is virtually the same, so there's no big difference unless he's considering the Heat (except all the extra games in CA that a WC player pays probably adds up). If he's in Florida, he could probably expect to pay an avg. state tax of probably about 1/4 to 1/2 of what he's paid before. So if he averaged 5% before, and say it'll be 2% now, over a 4 yr contract, that's a difference of maybe $3 million.

Not insignificant, but you wouldn't think it would be a huge factor in his decision.

Just curious, do you know if guys are taxed if they travel with the team but don't play. For instance, if they are injured? What if they don't travel with a team for a road trip. Do they save on those taxes?

If you travel it's considered a duty day in the jurisdiction to which you've traveled.  If you don't travel, then it is not.

[Phantom255x]

Let me give you all my take on this arguing about the taxes and what not.

IT'S STUPID.

Are we seriously arguing over a guy, about to make more than 100M+ in his next contract, and the taxes he would have to pay for each state (Florida, MA, Utah).

And if you're seriously telling me that Hayward will solely make his decision based on the tax rates of each state and the $$$ he pays or would have to pay for his agent, then guess what, we had zero chance of getting Hayward from the start. And we probably don't want him if he seriously chooses Miami over Boston/Utah solely for taxes... 

Maybe it is a factor, but please don't tell me it's some "defining" factor in all of this.

[ederson]

I really cannot believe that at player who is about to sign 30m per year contract will choose his destination based on the 1.5 less on state tax and not based to the best chances to compete

If that is the case then i ll be happy if we don't get this kind of player

[Moranis]

I really cannot believe that at player who is about to sign 30m per year contract will choose his destination based on the 1.5 less on state tax and not based to the best chances to compete

If that is the case then i ll be happy if we don't get this kind of player

1.5 million dollars a year is an awful lot of money.  I mean OKC gave up on James Harden for less than that per year.  This notion that money isn't a factor is silly.  Money is a large factor in everything.  Sports are a business.  Period. 

And no one is suggesting that Hayward would choose Miami because he could save money (I mean he could stay in Utah and make it up by signing a contract with bigger raises and adding the year), but money could certainly give a team an edge over a different team.  I mean if he basically thinks Boston and Miami are close to equal, then the extra 1.5 - 2 million a year, probably is the difference.

[Phantom255x]

I really cannot believe that at player who is about to sign 30m per year contract will choose his destination based on the 1.5 less on state tax and not based to the best chances to compete

If that is the case then i ll be happy if we don't get this kind of player

1.5 million dollars a year is an awful lot of money.  I mean OKC gave up on James Harden for less than that per year.  This notion that money isn't a factor is silly.  Money is a large factor in everything.  Sports are a business.  Period. 

And no one is suggesting that Hayward would choose Miami because he could save money (I mean he could stay in Utah and make it up by signing a contract with bigger raises and adding the year), but money could certainly give a team an edge over a different team.  I mean if he basically thinks Boston and Miami are close to equal, then the extra 1.5 - 2 million a year, probably is the difference.

If he wants the money badly, he can stay in Utah. Simple.

How much better, basketball wise, is Miami than Utah to be honest? If he thinks BOS/MIA are equals but chooses the one where he makes more money and pays in less in taxes... Idk maybe he should just stay in Utah then.

[Darío SpanishFan]

I really cannot believe that at player who is about to sign 30m per year contract will choose his destination based on the 1.5 less on state tax and not based to the best chances to compete

If that is the case then i ll be happy if we don't get this kind of player

1.5 million dollars a year is an awful lot of money.  I mean OKC gave up on James Harden for less than that per year.  This notion that money isn't a factor is silly.  Money is a large factor in everything.  Sports are a business.  Period. 

And no one is suggesting that Hayward would choose Miami because he could save money (I mean he could stay in Utah and make it up by signing a contract with bigger raises and adding the year), but money could certainly give a team an edge over a different team.  I mean if he basically thinks Boston and Miami are close to equal, then the extra 1.5 - 2 million a year, probably is the difference.

I would kill for this kind of money. And 99% of the people would as well. BUT...

If you earn 200 million in your career, this is a tiny portion. So I don't think it should be any kind of factor.

[jpotter33]

I really cannot believe that at player who is about to sign 30m per year contract will choose his destination based on the 1.5 less on state tax and not based to the best chances to compete

If that is the case then i ll be happy if we don't get this kind of player

1.5 million dollars a year is an awful lot of money.  I mean OKC gave up on James Harden for less than that per year.  This notion that money isn't a factor is silly.  Money is a large factor in everything.  Sports are a business.  Period. 

And no one is suggesting that Hayward would choose Miami because he could save money (I mean he could stay in Utah and make it up by signing a contract with bigger raises and adding the year), but money could certainly give a team an edge over a different team.  I mean if he basically thinks Boston and Miami are close to equal, then the extra 1.5 - 2 million a year, probably is the difference.

Well, good thing they're not anywhere close to equal. Outside of the "night life," which doesn't strike me as Hayward's type of deal, Boston is significantly ahead of Miami in virtually every other area when it comes to basketball. This shouldn't even be close; the real battle is between Boston and Utah.

[Phantom255x]

I really cannot believe that at player who is about to sign 30m per year contract will choose his destination based on the 1.5 less on state tax and not based to the best chances to compete

If that is the case then i ll be happy if we don't get this kind of player

1.5 million dollars a year is an awful lot of money.  I mean OKC gave up on James Harden for less than that per year.  This notion that money isn't a factor is silly.  Money is a large factor in everything.  Sports are a business.  Period. 

And no one is suggesting that Hayward would choose Miami because he could save money (I mean he could stay in Utah and make it up by signing a contract with bigger raises and adding the year), but money could certainly give a team an edge over a different team.  I mean if he basically thinks Boston and Miami are close to equal, then the extra 1.5 - 2 million a year, probably is the difference.

Well, good thing they're not anywhere close to equal. Outside of the "night life," which doesn't strike me as Hayward's type of deal, Boston is significantly ahead of Miami in virtually every other area when it comes to basketball. This shouldn't even be close; the real battle is between Boston and Utah.

Yeah I agree.

Plus I'd like to see what ELSE Miami can add to that potential core. It's no guarantee they keep Waiters and Johnson either, especially if some other bad team overpays dearly for either.

[Phantom255x]

Lol everyone must be feeling confident.

70% think he's going Boston, only 25% he stays.

You guys sure you're being honest? 

[MetroGlobe]

Just curious, do you know if guys are taxed if they travel with the team but don't play. For instance, if they are injured? What if they don't travel with a team for a road trip. Do they save on those taxes?

Still taxed because they are still paid.  They are all paid regardless of injury.  Since the game occurred in that state, even if they didn't play in it, that's where the revenue was generated so that's where they are taxed.

An exception to this might be a player who is so injured that his salary is being paid by insurance that year.  That's a good question.

[Phantom255x]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Murf56/status/880478927944380418?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Apparently the date has not yet been finalized.

He will meet with Boston either Sunday, or Tuesday.

Meeting with Miami Saturday and Jazz Monday. That's a fact.

[jambr380]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Murf56/status/880478927944380418?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Apparently the date has not yet been finalized.

He will meet with Boston either Sunday, or Tuesday.

Meeting with Miami Saturday and Jazz Monday. That's a fact.

Man, even Durant met with two teams a day during his big Hamptons extravaganza. Why does Hayward possibly need 4 days to meet with 3 teams. This whole thing is lame.

[Phantom255x]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Murf56/status/880478927944380418?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Apparently the date has not yet been finalized.

He will meet with Boston either Sunday, or Tuesday.

Meeting with Miami Saturday and Jazz Monday. That's a fact.

Man, even Durant met with two teams a day during his big Hamptons extravaganza. Why does Hayward possibly need 4 days to meet with 3 teams. This whole thing is lame.

Yeah I tend to agree, but it's mainly because Hayward will meet the teams in their "candidate city". But even then... I mean he's been in Utah most of his life haha. Does he really need 4 days to do it all? Only two other teams outside Utah it seems.

[Moranis]

I really cannot believe that at player who is about to sign 30m per year contract will choose his destination based on the 1.5 less on state tax and not based to the best chances to compete

If that is the case then i ll be happy if we don't get this kind of player

1.5 million dollars a year is an awful lot of money.  I mean OKC gave up on James Harden for less than that per year.  This notion that money isn't a factor is silly.  Money is a large factor in everything.  Sports are a business.  Period. 

And no one is suggesting that Hayward would choose Miami because he could save money (I mean he could stay in Utah and make it up by signing a contract with bigger raises and adding the year), but money could certainly give a team an edge over a different team.  I mean if he basically thinks Boston and Miami are close to equal, then the extra 1.5 - 2 million a year, probably is the difference.

Well, good thing they're not anywhere close to equal. Outside of the "night life," which doesn't strike me as Hayward's type of deal, Boston is significantly ahead of Miami in virtually every other area when it comes to basketball. This shouldn't even be close; the real battle is between Boston and Utah.

There are all sorts of factors when making a decision where you want to live for the next 3+ years of your life.  Weather, market, location, money (salary/taxes), co-workers, bosses, etc.  Maybe he thinks he fits better with Dragic and Whiteside than Thomas and Horford.  Maybe he thinks Miami's close of the season i.e. 30-11 is the better indicator of the type of team they have and thus they gave him the best chance to win.  Maybe he isn't sure what Boston is going to do with Thomas and Bradley, next summer or otherwise.  Maybe he just likes Miami better than Boston (as a city and place to live).  Maybe he didn't like Stevens as much as people think.  Maybe he doesn't like Ainge or just really likes Riley. 

There are just so many factors it is really hard to know which ones are the most important to any particular player. 

[tonydelk]

Lol everyone must be feeling confident.

70% think he's going Boston, only 25% he stays.

You guys sure you're being honest? 

It's easy to feel that way.  Utah has no chance.  If the family wasn't open to moving there would not be other meetings.  If he truly believe Utah was the place to be he would not be taking meetings.  He could easily meet with Utah first to see if he can hash out a contract and get a good grip on what their future intentions are and sign without traveling to other cities.  The fact that he is so open to two other destinations tells me IMO that it truly is on the table to go and he wants his family to see the area's where they would be living.  Quite frankly they could do what a lot of other families do and stay in Utah while he plays out the season.  Any way you look at it Boston is the best opportunity for him as a player and the area is quite frankly amazing and breathtaking.