Minor Change on Fultz Trade Announced

[Scintan]

Hypothetical:

Boston wants Davis from N.O., and has the #1 overall pick in the draft.
N.O. is willing to trade Davis (they're tired of looking at his brow), but can't afford the #1 overall pick.
Boston trades from #1 to #2, in return for the last pick of the second round.
Boston then trades #2 for Davis.

Now, in that hypothetical, Boston clearly loses the first trade, regardless of who the players turn out to be, because the #1 is a bigger step up from #2 than just the last pick in the draft.  Boston just doesn't care, because it's the second trade that it's looking at, so it doesn't matter than it lost the first trade and, in fact, it can look at that second round pick as gravy.

[cltc5]

Lol what part of 3 picks for 1 pick do people not understand?  And it saves money.  Get off fultz, he's not gonna be that good .  Blind man

[nickagneta]

Okay, whatever guys. Judge the trade anyway you want and let your biases determine whatever outcome you think happened. I will wait until we see how the players chosen at 1 and 3 play and how that future pkayer will play wherever he is picked. And if the picks lead to trades I will wait to see how that trade works out.

Happy arguing.

[tazzmaniac]

Lol what part of 3 picks for 1 pick do people not understand?  And it saves money.  Get off fultz, he's not gonna be that good .  Blind man

It is only 2 picks for 1.  I do agree that Fultz isn't a franchise player. 

[nickagneta]

Can I get links to all of the stories of people criticizing Red for trading #1 for Parish and McHale?

Or Joe Barry Carroll being a consensus #1? He wasn't. McHale was in consideration for #1 all along.

Um, that was before the internet.    My recollection, however, was he was the consensus #1.  But, people didn't pay as much attention to it back then.

It's just a false narrative that fans repeat like it's true.

It’s widely believed Carroll was the consensus No. 1 pick of the 1980 Draft—but that’s wrong. The top three picks were seen as a toss-up, and the Celtics, who owned the first pick, had already settled on Minnesota power forward Kevin McHale. Carroll, a center who had led Purdue to the Final Four, didn’t become the No. 1 pick until the eve of the draft.

That night, Carroll’s agent, Bob Woolf, knocked on the door of Carroll’s hotel room to inform him that the Celtics had sent the Golden State Warriors the No. 1 and No. 13 picks in exchange for fifth-year center Robert Parish and the No. 3 pick, with which the Celtics would still draft McHale. The Warriors would make Carroll the top pick.


Read more at http://www.slamonline.com/nba/ballad-joe-barry-carroll/#IPuB4kQxOEZuCcz7.99

http://clnsradio.com/boston-celtics-news/item/11969-boston-celtics-draft-history-nights-to-remember-1980

This guy disagrees Roy. He says Carroll was the consensus. Being 15 and a regular reader of the Globe Sports section at the time my memory was Carroll was consensus as well. I was actually hoping for Darrell Grifith myself.

[Scintan]

Okay, whatever guys. Judge the trade anyway you want and let your biases determine whatever outcome you think happened. I will wait until we see how the players chosen at 1 and 3 play and how that future pkayer will play wherever he is picked. And if the picks lead to trades I will wait to see how that trade works out.

Happy arguing.

Trade's done.  Trade's known.  Trade's ready for evaluation.  You can make any claim about waiting, but that's not going to change the reality on the ground.

What's really funny about your position is that it's so unnecessary.  Teams don't need to win every trade.  The world won't end because Ainge lost a trade, just as the world doesn't end when Belichick (or anyone in charge of personnel in major American sports) loses a trade, or blows a draft pick, or signs a free agent who busts.

[oldtype]

The downside risk of the following scenario is terrifying:

1. Fultz is the unanimous ROY, whoever we draft at #3 is just "okay"

2. LA pick does not convey

3. Sixers make the playoffs with Fultz/Embiid/Simmons, Sacramento is in the lottery

4. Sacramento wins the lottery.

The collective stress this forum will be under in 2018-2019 is going to be unbearable. Then again, maybe we won't care because we've traded this pick for Anthony Davis at that point.

[Tr1boy]

Fans are actually celebrating that the trade got worse?

What are the chances lakers or sac win the #1 pick? But both lakers and sac win the #1 consecutive years

You are getting mad about something that doesnt have a high chance of happening??....

[oldtype]

I think the pick does get a bit worse with this because you lose any Marvin Bagley equity.  He's supposed to be a transcendent prospect. No guarantee he's still perceived that way in two years time of course.

[Roy H.]

Fans are actually celebrating that the trade got worse?

What are the chances lakers or sac win the #1 pick? But both lakers and sac win the #1 consecutive years

You are getting mad about something that doesnt have a high chance of happening??....

Im so sick of arguing with people who have strong opinions but that can't or don't interpret basic information.

The Lakers pick doesn't have to be #1 for it not to convey.

[mctyson]

Awesome. Makes a good trade that much better.

What part makes this better?

If SAC get's the #1 pick, we get the PHI 1st rounder.  We could get a mid-first rounder if Philly makes the playoffs in 2 yrs (likely, since they almost made it this year before Embiid went down)

The trade is actually WORSE!!!

It is a bet on 3 teams sucking, versus 2.  It is better.

[mctyson]

Fans are actually celebrating that the trade got worse?

What are the chances lakers or sac win the #1 pick? But both lakers and sac win the #1 consecutive years

You are getting mad about something that doesnt have a high chance of happening??....

Im so sick of arguing with people who have strong opinions but that can't or don't interpret basic information.

The Lakers pick doesn't have to be #1 for it not to convey.

I didn't feel like reading through all the pages - why do you think this is worse?

[JohnBoy65]

Fans are actually celebrating that the trade got worse?

What are the chances lakers or sac win the #1 pick? But both lakers and sac win the #1 consecutive years

You are getting mad about something that doesnt have a high chance of happening??....

Im so sick of arguing with people who have strong opinions but that can't or don't interpret basic information.

The Lakers pick doesn't have to be #1 for it not to convey.

You're right Roy, but that means there are 6 other teams worse than the Lakers for it not to convey. With out Paul George this year its hard to pick the bottom 7 teams without naming the Lakers.

[mctyson]

Fans are actually celebrating that the trade got worse?

What are the chances lakers or sac win the #1 pick? But both lakers and sac win the #1 consecutive years

You are getting mad about something that doesnt have a high chance of happening??....

Im so sick of arguing with people who have strong opinions but that can't or don't interpret basic information.

The Lakers pick doesn't have to be #1 for it not to convey.

You're right Roy, but that means there are 6 other teams worse than the Lakers for it not to convey. With out Paul George this year its hard to pick the bottom 7 teams without naming the Lakers.

I think it is reasonable to be upset about not getting the Lakers pick if it is top-10, though that would be a poor return for trading the #1 in my view.

The issue about evaluating this is that we are betting on the ping pong balls again and that is hard for most people.

[Tr1boy]

Fans are actually celebrating that the trade got worse?

What are the chances lakers or sac win the #1 pick? But both lakers and sac win the #1 consecutive years

You are getting mad about something that doesnt have a high chance of happening??....

Im so sick of arguing with people who have strong opinions but that can't or don't interpret basic information.

The Lakers pick doesn't have to be #1 for it not to convey.

what are you talking about?

you don't think I know this?

You are getting upset because there is a protection on the Kings pick (#1)...

What are the chances it will be the #1 pick? if the chances are low...what are you getting all worked up about?

Overall its a good return with a low chance one of the picks sukking... Several things must go wrong for the Celts to get a bad pick

Just because you are upset the Celts are not going to draft Fultz..  don't make this look like a bad deal