C's didnt like Explosiveness of Fultz, C'S and Phi agree not much difference 1-3

[snively]

I still see Fultz as a Paul Pierce type of player at combo guard (rather than a PG). Both crafty & skilled with good athleticism rather than an elite athlete.

Same as I rated James Harden coming out of NCAA. Brandon Roy is another. They are better comparisons than Beal with extra handles / passing because those guys had those handles and passing ability.

Still not sure Fultz is a PG. I see him as a question mark there. I am sure Fultz can play SG and excel there if he cannot play PG.

With his high PNR usage, I think it would be hard to pair him with another high-volume PG. So even if he played SG, it would likely be with an AB/Beverley type, so not much gained from forcing him to match-up with SGs.

Philly's got some size on the wing already with Covington, Luwawu and Anderson, plus some ball-handling/shot-creation support from the Simmons/Saric tandem at the 4 and another half-court option in Embiid if he stays in one piece.

I think they will be able to play him 75+% of his minutes at the 1.

[CelticGuardian]

If true, Celtic brass intend to draft and not trade... well the trade was just actually done really.

[mctyson]

That's very interesting.

I thought Fultz was the best prospect from my novice analysis, but I was concerned about two things: his lack of fire/motivation and his seeming lack of explosiveness/foot speed. Perhaps I'm a bit biased after watching a year of a special athlete in Brown with crazy explosiveness and foot speed, but Fultz started reminding me more and more of a D'Angelo Russell-type game and athleticism more than anything, which I think would ultimately keep him from reaching that top-tier level of player.

I'm feeling a bit better about the trade now that these concerns have also seemingly been on the minds of much better basketball minds.

I've also felt uneasy about his knees/durability for some reason, too. Not sure why, but he just seems a bit fragile to me.

I would guess that if you just watched their highlight films, without know DX or Ford rankings, you would rate Jackson #1.

[tazzmaniac]

It's amazing Fultz could walk on water a few days ago and now he may not even be able to play PG.  The green colored glasses are nice and thick on here. 

[jambr380]

That's very interesting.

I thought Fultz was the best prospect from my novice analysis, but I was concerned about two things: his lack of fire/motivation and his seeming lack of explosiveness/foot speed. Perhaps I'm a bit biased after watching a year of a special athlete in Brown with crazy explosiveness and foot speed, but Fultz started reminding me more and more of a D'Angelo Russell-type game and athleticism more than anything, which I think would ultimately keep him from reaching that top-tier level of player.

I'm feeling a bit better about the trade now that these concerns have also seemingly been on the minds of much better basketball minds.

I've also felt uneasy about his knees/durability for some reason, too. Not sure why, but he just seems a bit fragile to me.

I would guess that if you just watched their highlight films, without know DX or Ford rankings, you would rate Jackson #1.

Actually, in just watching the DX videos (and ignoring all of the pre-draft rankings), I would say that Jackson appears to be the best player.

And, even though Fultz/Tatum both seem to lack explosiveness, I do see how their offensive versatility will translate to the NBA.

[jambr380]

It's amazing Fultz could walk on water a few days ago and now he may not even be able to play PG.  The green colored glasses are nice and thick on here.

People had reservations about Fultz, even if they were slightly veiled. The love handles video where he is bricking three-pointers, Ainge sounding less than enthused about him playing against a chair, the horrendous college W-L record, the lack of intensity (on defense or otherwise), and of course the lack of 'explosiveness.'

I agree with you, but how else are fans supposed to react? "Ah man, we got the number one pick and are getting the top rated prospect, but it really sucks." You have to back the player you are getting - that is what being a fan of a team is all about.

[BlackCeltic]

That is interesting. About the explosiveness.

I have been concerned about how much Fultz has been called a PG over the last few weeks. He always seemed more like a combo guard to me. I think some of those elite physical measurements compared to PGs were given too much weight and not considered enough against other combo guards and SGs.

It is disappointing that there were concerns about Fultz' explosiveness. Sounds more like he'll spend most of his time at SG rather than PG. That the Celtics were unconvinced that Fultz had the explosive quickness to beat quicker smaller guards off the dribble consistently enough. That he would be forced into more jump-shots against those players rather than getting into the paint and causing trouble.

So if Fultz is more of a SG than PG, does that make Bradley Beal more of a comparison for him?

Beal with some more handles and passing ability.

That is a very nice player but not an unmissable talent.

I've seen several different sites put Beal as his pro player comparison. I never liked the comparison before, but I can see it if he plays more 2 than 1.

I don't see Fultz being nearly the shooter Beal is.

Ive said before that he is a cross between Wall and Beal. I don't know if his knee is holding him back now. His Philly workout looked pretty bad.

[CelticGuardian]

That's very interesting.

I thought Fultz was the best prospect from my novice analysis, but I was concerned about two things: his lack of fire/motivation and his seeming lack of explosiveness/foot speed. Perhaps I'm a bit biased after watching a year of a special athlete in Brown with crazy explosiveness and foot speed, but Fultz started reminding me more and more of a D'Angelo Russell-type game and athleticism more than anything, which I think would ultimately keep him from reaching that top-tier level of player.

I'm feeling a bit better about the trade now that these concerns have also seemingly been on the minds of much better basketball minds.

I've also felt uneasy about his knees/durability for some reason, too. Not sure why, but he just seems a bit fragile to me.

I would guess that if you just watched their highlight films, without know DX or Ford rankings, you would rate Jackson #1.

Actually, in just watching the DX videos (and ignoring all of the pre-draft rankings), I would say that Jackson appears to be the best player.

And, even though Fultz/Tatum both seem to lack explosiveness, I do see how their offensive versatility will translate to the NBA.

Am I crazy for thinking these current Celtics actually need more offense. Or at least, another guy to defer to other than IT every single time Marcus Smart doesn't make a pact with the illuminati for his basketball skills?

I like Josh but Marcus Smart and Terry Rozier will just work better at the 3 somehow, especially if Jackson starts to make shots... Brad ain´t gonna want none of that.

[sirnastee]

That is interesting. About the explosiveness.

I have been concerned about how much Fultz has been called a PG over the last few weeks. He always seemed more like a combo guard to me. I think some of those elite physical measurements compared to PGs were given too much weight and not considered enough against other combo guards and SGs.

It is disappointing that there were concerns about Fultz' explosiveness. Sounds more like he'll spend most of his time at SG rather than PG. That the Celtics were unconvinced that Fultz had the explosive quickness to beat quicker smaller guards off the dribble consistently enough. That he would be forced into more jump-shots against those players rather than getting into the paint and causing trouble.

So if Fultz is more of a SG than PG, does that make Bradley Beal more of a comparison for him?

Beal with some more handles and passing ability.

That is a very nice player but not an unmissable talent.

I've seen several different sites put Beal as his pro player comparison. I never liked the comparison before, but I can see it if he plays more 2 than 1.

I don't see Fultz being nearly the shooter Beal is.

Ive said before that he is a cross between Wall and Beal. I don't know if his knee is holding him back now. His Philly workout looked pretty bad.

I'm not sure I see Wall or Beal in him.  Maybe Wall in terms of length and dimensions, but Wall is one of the fastest players in the NBA.  I think Fultz is athletic in terms of his ability to start and stop on the dot, rather than his speed and quickness.  He seems to be more of the Harden and Pierce type that can start and stop on the dime to manipulate the defense. 

 By looking at Fultz's knees in the picture of him next to Red's car, it sort of looks like a big man's knees, shaped kind of like Oden's.  That doesn't mean he will be injury prone, but just an observation.  I think we may look back at this trade next year and call Danny a genius when we have two top 5 picks.   

[cousytoheinsohn]

It's amazing Fultz could walk on water a few days ago and now he may not even be able to play PG.  The green colored glasses are nice and thick on here.

It's funny, isn't it?

The Groupthink would be scary anywhere else but here. Here, it's as normal as normal gets. But, that's why we love CB so. And, may the Lord forgive us, we do love it so.

If this goes on much longer Lorenzo Ball, old man or not, will jump to the top of the rankings compost pile. Things are actually trending in Lonzo's direction, as we speak.

I'm way too old to be wishing for such things, but Thursday night can't get here soon enough, if nothing else just to relieve the suspense a little for a senior citizen.

Of course, that's when the real, deep crazy and big fun will start. I can't wait.

[Rondo9]

It's amazing Fultz could walk on water a few days ago and now he may not even be able to play PG.  The green colored glasses are nice and thick on here.

These concerns were from the same people who doubted him before the trade.

[greg683x]

I just cant get over Fults W-L record.  For me it was always the big purple elephant in the room.

I know he had inferior teammates and wasnt in a competative program, but c'mon, can anyone name a highly touted college player that couldnt get his team into the NCAA tournament that WASNT a bust??  His team was terrible but they even played bad against other terrible teams.  Steph Curry carried Davidson for christ sake, no ones saying Fults needs to be Steph, but its a little alarming he get couldnt will his team into the tournament

[jambr380]

I just cant get over Fults W-L record.  For me it was always the big purple elephant in the room.

I know he had inferior teammates and wasnt in a competative program, but c'mon, can anyone name a highly touted college player that couldnt get his team into the NCAA tournament that WASNT a bust??  His team was terrible but they even played bad against other terrible teams.  Steph Curry carried Davidson for christ sake, no ones saying Fults needs to be Steph, but its a little alarming he get couldnt will his team into the tournament

Couldn't get his team to the tournament is the understatement of the year - Washington won 9 games. To put this into perspective, last year's #1 Ben Simmons also couldn't get his team to the tournament (another team devoid of talent), but was able to win 18 games (twice as many!) and actually finished with a winning record.

This is not to say that Fultz won't have a successful NBA career, but going 9-23 in college cannot be ignored.

[fantankerous]

It's amazing Fultz could walk on water a few days ago and now he may not even be able to play PG.  The green colored glasses are nice and thick on here.

It's funny, isn't it?

The Groupthink would be scary anywhere else but here. Here, it's as normal as normal gets. But, that's why we love CB so. And, may the Lord forgive us, we do love it so.

If this goes on much longer Lorenzo Ball, old man or not, will jump to the top of the rankings compost pile. Things are actually trending in Lonzo's direction, as we speak.

I'm way too old to be wishing for such things, but Thursday night can't get here soon enough, if nothing else just to relieve the suspense a little for a senior citizen.

Of course, that's when the real, deep crazy and big fun will start. I can't wait.

I think critizing "groupthink" has become the new groupthink around here.

FWIW, I have no opinion on who we draft because I've never seen any of the prospects play.

[greg683x]

I just cant get over Fults W-L record.  For me it was always the big purple elephant in the room.

I know he had inferior teammates and wasnt in a competative program, but c'mon, can anyone name a highly touted college player that couldnt get his team into the NCAA tournament that WASNT a bust??  His team was terrible but they even played bad against other terrible teams.  Steph Curry carried Davidson for christ sake, no ones saying Fults needs to be Steph, but its a little alarming he get couldnt will his team into the tournament

Couldn't get his team to the tournament is the understatement of the year - Washington won 9 games. To put this into perspective, last year's #1 Ben Simmons also couldn't get his team to the tournament (another team devoid of talent), but was able to win 18 games (twice as many!) and actually finished with a winning record.

This is not to say that Fultz won't have a successful NBA career, but going 9-23 in college cannot be ignored.

Ok so I forgot about Simmons, but its yet to be determined if he underachieves for busts at the next level.

Can anyone name an NBA star that could not get his team to the NCAA tournament in college??