Rumor - C's working on a trade for Butler, plan on signing Hayward too

[Roy H.]

So the Indy Star is more connected about a Butler trade than The Vertical, Steve Kyler, and CSN Chicago?

Doubtful.

I don't think anyone said anything about him being more connected than anyone. However, it's from Gregg Doyel, who is the beat writer for the Pacers. It's not as though this is coming from a non-credible source.

Being a beat writer doesn't make somebody credible. Hell, Shira Springer lifted material from CelticsThug in one of her columns.

It doesn't seem odd to you that an Indy beat writer has the inside scoop on a deal that doesn't involve Indy? When more connected sources are denying it, and there's no sourcing for the rumor?

Indiana and Illinois are neighboring states and the teams play in the same division, so it's not impossible that he could have some contacts.

Mike

Then why not cite a source?

[tarheelsxxiii]

So excited to see Butler in Celtic green! 

[Tr1boy]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2017/06/18/doyel-pacers-finally-get-message-paul-george-gone/407272001/

Meanwhile, the No. 1 and No. 3 picks in the upcoming draft already have been swapped, and it appears the Boston Celtics are working on a trade to acquire Jimmy Butler from Chicago. It appears they’re planning to pair him with former Butler star Gordon Hayward, a free agent from Utah whom the Celtics hope to reunite with his college coach, Brad Stevens.

Unless Woj or Lowe case confirm...no need to get caught up in this

Celtics could have just traded the 1 for him. Why go through a adventure to trade for him? Makes no sense

What do you mean? Let's assume for a second they trade the #3 pick for Butler, wouldn't you rather have Butler and the Lakers 18/Kings 19 1st rd pick or just Butler by himself? What "adventure"? You could potentially still get Butler, while also netting a major asset. That doesn't make sense?

Why would the Bulls only be interested in the #3 for Butler?

Celtics would prob  need to trade the 1 and maybe another 1st, Crowder etc for him

He has 3 years left in his contract. And is one of the top two way players in the league

He has 2 years left on his deal, the 3rd is his option. Giving up 2 high picks for him would be idiotic. But Ainge specializes in the idiotic now, so anything is possible.

when are you going to get out of this black hole ?

ainge deserves the benefit of the doubt.  He formed the big 3, then at the right time, fleeced the nets

[ETNCeltics]

If Ainge does this, I hope it fails spectacularly. It's garbage. He can't draft great players, so he trades away picks to people who can. So 5 years down the road, your roster is shot and you're looking for a way to rebuild again.

Meanwhile, GSW built a monster without even having top 5 draft picks, because they know how to draft. I've never despised a Celtics GM the way I do Ainge right now, not even Pitino. At least in Pitino's case, he lost the lottery. Ainge won the lottery then decided to lose it anyway.

[MBunge]

So the Indy Star is more connected about a Butler trade than The Vertical, Steve Kyler, and CSN Chicago?

Doubtful.

I don't think anyone said anything about him being more connected than anyone. However, it's from Gregg Doyel, who is the beat writer for the Pacers. It's not as though this is coming from a non-credible source.

Being a beat writer doesn't make somebody credible. Hell, Shira Springer lifted material from CelticsThug in one of her columns.

It doesn't seem odd to you that an Indy beat writer has the inside scoop on a deal that doesn't involve Indy? When more connected sources are denying it, and there's no sourcing for the rumor?

Indiana and Illinois are neighboring states and the teams play in the same division, so it's not impossible that he could have some contacts.

Mike

Then why not cite a source?

How many people EVER cite a specific source?  Does referencing a totally anonymous person really enhance the credibility of a rumor?  I'm not saying I believe the Butler/Hayward thing but it's not like some guy from Portland is suggesting it.

Mike

[fantankerous]

So the Indy Star is more connected about a Butler trade than The Vertical, Steve Kyler, and CSN Chicago?

Doubtful.

I don't think anyone said anything about him being more connected than anyone. However, it's from Gregg Doyel, who is the beat writer for the Pacers. It's not as though this is coming from a non-credible source.

Being a beat writer doesn't make somebody credible. Hell, Shira Springer lifted material from CelticsThug in one of her columns.

It doesn't seem odd to you that an Indy beat writer has the inside scoop on a deal that doesn't involve Indy? When more connected sources are denying it, and there's no sourcing for the rumor?

Is he even the Pacers beat writer? I know him for deflategate stuff, and for saying that Bill Belichick is "maybe above average".

Gregg Doyle is pretty well connected in Chicago (where I live).  I also think Doyle is far more respected as a basketball journalist than Springer.  None of this makes these rumors correct.  I'd think that both Boston and Chicago know the parameters each team would accept for Butler.  I doubt either team has changed their parameters over the past few days.

[ETNCeltics]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2017/06/18/doyel-pacers-finally-get-message-paul-george-gone/407272001/

Meanwhile, the No. 1 and No. 3 picks in the upcoming draft already have been swapped, and it appears the Boston Celtics are working on a trade to acquire Jimmy Butler from Chicago. It appears they’re planning to pair him with former Butler star Gordon Hayward, a free agent from Utah whom the Celtics hope to reunite with his college coach, Brad Stevens.

Unless Woj or Lowe case confirm...no need to get caught up in this

Celtics could have just traded the 1 for him. Why go through a adventure to trade for him? Makes no sense

What do you mean? Let's assume for a second they trade the #3 pick for Butler, wouldn't you rather have Butler and the Lakers 18/Kings 19 1st rd pick or just Butler by himself? What "adventure"? You could potentially still get Butler, while also netting a major asset. That doesn't make sense?

Why would the Bulls only be interested in the #3 for Butler?

Celtics would prob  need to trade the 1 and maybe another 1st, Crowder etc for him

He has 3 years left in his contract. And is one of the top two way players in the league

He has 2 years left on his deal, the 3rd is his option. Giving up 2 high picks for him would be idiotic. But Ainge specializes in the idiotic now, so anything is possible.

when are you going to get out of this black hole ?

ainge deserves the benefit of the doubt.  He formed the big 3, then at the right time, fleeced them for a bright future

Ainge deserves nothing, in my book. He won a championship 10 years ago. So what? Should we give Paul Pierce a new contract because he was great 10 years ago? You can't have a GM who used to be great at his job if you expect to win. When exactly has he drafted a great player? Try never.

Ainge has proven repeatedly he shouldn't be running anyone's draft. Celtics had a chance to build something that could last for several years, and ainge is intent on p---ing it away to be 2nd fiddle to GSW for a few years.

I'm on the fire danny ainge bandwagon til I'm dead, or he's fired, assuming he goes through with the philly trade then blows BRK 18 on Butler. He does that, and he's dead to me.

[Neurotic Guy]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2017/06/18/doyel-pacers-finally-get-message-paul-george-gone/407272001/

Meanwhile, the No. 1 and No. 3 picks in the upcoming draft already have been swapped, and it appears the Boston Celtics are working on a trade to acquire Jimmy Butler from Chicago. It appears they’re planning to pair him with former Butler star Gordon Hayward, a free agent from Utah whom the Celtics hope to reunite with his college coach, Brad Stevens.

Unless Woj or Lowe case confirm...no need to get caught up in this

Celtics could have just traded the 1 for him. Why go through a adventure to trade for him? Makes no sense

What do you mean? Let's assume for a second they trade the #3 pick for Butler, wouldn't you rather have Butler and the Lakers 18/Kings 19 1st rd pick or just Butler by himself? What "adventure"? You could potentially still get Butler, while also netting a major asset. That doesn't make sense?

Why would the Bulls only be interested in the #3 for Butler?

Celtics would prob  need to trade the 1 and maybe another 1st, Crowder etc for him

He has 3 years left in his contract. And is one of the top two way players in the league

That's the point of the trade. If the bulls do want more than the #3 and salary match we can offer another pick and still keep one of Brooklyn '18 or Laker/kings pick. Before we would have to give up an equivalent amount without being able to keep a valuable asset.

You give away, essentially, Fultz and Doncic or Porter for Jimmy Butler, you've p---ed away your franchise's future for a guy with 2 years on his deal.

Either Wyc Grousbeck is asleep while Ainge burns his kingdom or he knows less about basketball than I do cricket.

As it stands now, the C's have two "shots on goal" in the 2018 lottery.  If you want Butler, you have to avoid giving up either one.  I would offer 2017 #3, MEM pick, Crowder, Zeller

I am with you 100%.   I'd be glad to have Butler for #3, Crowder, Zeller, MEM Pick or LAC Pick. 

I will be bummed if we send the LAL/Sac pick for anyone other than Davis or Porzingis.

[mainevent]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2017/06/18/doyel-pacers-finally-get-message-paul-george-gone/407272001/

Meanwhile, the No. 1 and No. 3 picks in the upcoming draft already have been swapped, and it appears the Boston Celtics are working on a trade to acquire Jimmy Butler from Chicago. It appears they’re planning to pair him with former Butler star Gordon Hayward, a free agent from Utah whom the Celtics hope to reunite with his college coach, Brad Stevens.

Unless Woj or Lowe case confirm...no need to get caught up in this

Celtics could have just traded the 1 for him. Why go through a adventure to trade for him? Makes no sense

What do you mean? Let's assume for a second they trade the #3 pick for Butler, wouldn't you rather have Butler and the Lakers 18/Kings 19 1st rd pick or just Butler by himself? What "adventure"? You could potentially still get Butler, while also netting a major asset. That doesn't make sense?

Why would the Bulls only be interested in the #3 for Butler?

Celtics would prob  need to trade the 1 and maybe another 1st, Crowder etc for him

He has 3 years left in his contract. And is one of the top two way players in the league

He has 2 years left on his deal, the 3rd is his option. Giving up 2 high picks for him would be idiotic. But Ainge specializes in the idiotic now, so anything is possible.

when are you going to get out of this black hole ?

ainge deserves the benefit of the doubt.  He formed the big 3, then at the right time, fleeced them for a bright future

Ainge deserves nothing, in my book. He won a championship 10 years ago. So what? Should we give Paul Pierce a new contract because he was great 10 years ago? You can't have a GM who used to be great at his job if you expect to win. When exactly has he drafted a great player? Try never.

Ainge has proven repeatedly he shouldn't be running anyone's draft. Celtics had a chance to build something that could last for several years, and ainge is intent on p---ing it away to be 2nd fiddle to GSW for a few years.

I'm on the fire danny ainge bandwagon til I'm dead, or he's fired, assuming he goes through with the philly trade then blows BRK 18 on Butler. He does that, and he's dead to me.

My suggestion - If you don't already have one, get yourself a PS4 or an Xbox, buy NBA 2K17...go to FRANCHISE MODE, select the Celtics as the team you wish to control and do your thing bruh! That way you can make ALL the decisions on how to run the Celtics. Waaaaaaaaayyyy to emotional over a draft pick that has yet to play one second of NBA ball. Get over yourself lmbo...

[hpantazo]

If a Butler deal happens , it won't happen until after we sign Hayward for cap space reasons imo. We could agree to it on draft night but not complete it until later on when we can sign free agents. That is why this report and the other report stating that the Bulls don't expect the Celtics to come calling for Butler before thursday don't contradict each other.

[hwangjini_1]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2017/06/18/doyel-pacers-finally-get-message-paul-george-gone/407272001/

Meanwhile, the No. 1 and No. 3 picks in the upcoming draft already have been swapped, and it appears the Boston Celtics are working on a trade to acquire Jimmy Butler from Chicago. It appears they’re planning to pair him with former Butler star Gordon Hayward, a free agent from Utah whom the Celtics hope to reunite with his college coach, Brad Stevens.

Unless Woj or Lowe case confirm...no need to get caught up in this

Celtics could have just traded the 1 for him. Why go through a adventure to trade for him? Makes no sense

What do you mean? Let's assume for a second they trade the #3 pick for Butler, wouldn't you rather have Butler and the Lakers 18/Kings 19 1st rd pick or just Butler by himself? What "adventure"? You could potentially still get Butler, while also netting a major asset. That doesn't make sense?

Why would the Bulls only be interested in the #3 for Butler?

Celtics would prob  need to trade the 1 and maybe another 1st, Crowder etc for him

He has 3 years left in his contract. And is one of the top two way players in the league

He has 2 years left on his deal, the 3rd is his option. Giving up 2 high picks for him would be idiotic. But Ainge specializes in the idiotic now, so anything is possible.

when are you going to get out of this black hole ?

ainge deserves the benefit of the doubt.  He formed the big 3, then at the right time, fleeced them for a bright future

Ainge deserves nothing, in my book. He won a championship 10 years ago. So what? Should we give Paul Pierce a new contract because he was great 10 years ago? You can't have a GM who used to be great at his job if you expect to win. When exactly has he drafted a great player? Try never.

Ainge has proven repeatedly he shouldn't be running anyone's draft. Celtics had a chance to build something that could last for several years, and ainge is intent on p---ing it away to be 2nd fiddle to GSW for a few years.

I'm on the fire danny ainge bandwagon til I'm dead, or he's fired, assuming he goes through with the philly trade then blows BRK 18 on Butler. He does that, and he's dead to me.

Yes, we all get it. You are filled, if not overflowing, with hatred, disgust, distain, and its all topped off with heapin helpings of indignation and anger.

Please get over it and yourself.

If all this turns out well and the Celtics flourish I hope you change your tune.  Please.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2017/06/18/doyel-pacers-finally-get-message-paul-george-gone/407272001/

Meanwhile, the No. 1 and No. 3 picks in the upcoming draft already have been swapped, and it appears the Boston Celtics are working on a trade to acquire Jimmy Butler from Chicago. It appears they’re planning to pair him with former Butler star Gordon Hayward, a free agent from Utah whom the Celtics hope to reunite with his college coach, Brad Stevens.

Unless Woj or Lowe case confirm...no need to get caught up in this

Celtics could have just traded the 1 for him. Why go through a adventure to trade for him? Makes no sense

What do you mean? Let's assume for a second they trade the #3 pick for Butler, wouldn't you rather have Butler and the Lakers 18/Kings 19 1st rd pick or just Butler by himself? What "adventure"? You could potentially still get Butler, while also netting a major asset. That doesn't make sense?

Why would the Bulls only be interested in the #3 for Butler?

Celtics would prob  need to trade the 1 and maybe another 1st, Crowder etc for him

He has 3 years left in his contract. And is one of the top two way players in the league

He has 2 years left on his deal, the 3rd is his option. Giving up 2 high picks for him would be idiotic. But Ainge specializes in the idiotic now, so anything is possible.

when are you going to get out of this black hole ?

ainge deserves the benefit of the doubt.  He formed the big 3, then at the right time, fleeced them for a bright future

Ainge deserves nothing, in my book. He won a championship 10 years ago. So what? Should we give Paul Pierce a new contract because he was great 10 years ago? You can't have a GM who used to be great at his job if you expect to win. When exactly has he drafted a great player? Try never.

Ainge has proven repeatedly he shouldn't be running anyone's draft. Celtics had a chance to build something that could last for several years, and ainge is intent on p---ing it away to be 2nd fiddle to GSW for a few years.

I'm on the fire danny ainge bandwagon til I'm dead, or he's fired, assuming he goes through with the philly trade then blows BRK 18 on Butler. He does that, and he's dead to me.

DA would have about 4 titles if KG was not hurt in 2009, doc riuvers did not choke it away in 2010 and if SHAQ and rondo were not hurt in 2011. but please continue. I am sure you hated bringing in KG and RA? you hated dumping them for picks? 

[Bobshot]

Yeah, a beat writer has some credibility. They hear things. You figure the first team the Pacers went to for George was the Celtics. And maybe Danny told them no we're going after Butler.

I don't trust those internet yokels who are tweeting stuff they "hear."  Assistant analyists who for work internet sites. They have to create stuff to talk about.

Any fool can guess Ainge is going after Butler. Trouble is, we won't know what the Philly deal is until tomorrow. It keeps changing. I hope he doesn't outsmart himself on this one. Going from #1 to #3 makes him vulnerable.

[Rosco917]

Just wondering if Brown could be involved in a trade to the Bulls, to help facilitate Butler coming to Boston.

Maybe the Bulls don't like Fultz, and have their eye on someone else, on the Celtic roster or in the draft.

 

[Sketch5]

Just wondering if Brown could be involved in a trade to the Bulls, to help facilitate Butler coming to Boston.

Maybe the Bulls don't like Fultz, and have their eye on someone else, on the Celtic roster or in the draft.

This would make sense for the Bulls to want Jackson. Yeah they may want Brown, but Stevens LOVED Brown enough they didn't want to make the deal last year. Don't know why they would now, unless DA and Stevens LOVE Jackson even more.