Possible #3 trades for a star and cap implications?

[Boris Badenov]

I believe we are making this move now rather than on draft day because Danny has another deal to make, involving #3 for a star. That's the only thing that explains, to me, why we would do it now instead of just waiting until draft day (for either a better offer, or more certainty about who LAL will take, or both).

So what would such deals look like? More important, how can such deals be structured so that we still end up with room for a max offer in FA? Or, does moving #3 and other pieces for a star now effectively kill that?

[dreamgreen]

So the other team would rather have the #3 pick instead of the #1 pick? Does that really make any sense, any at all?

[kozlodoev]

So the other team would rather have the #3 pick instead of the #1 pick? Does that really make any sense, any at all?

Of course it doesn't. But people have bought into Steve Bulpett's nonsense for some reason. Bulpett has no sources within the organization on this, he just felt compelled to chime in with his "personal feelings" because he's on the Celtics beat -- so he had to say something.

If we get the 3rd pick we're making him and I fully expect that player to be in Celtics uniform next season. Prepare to watch someone with the overall talent level of Marcus Smart or Jaylen Brown (you can't have enough "solid but unspectacular" players, really).

Also, don't forget to mentally prep yourselves for two low-end lottery picks next season.

[KGs Knee]

So the other team would rather have the #3 pick instead of the #1 pick? Does that really make any sense, any at all?

Of course other teams would rather have #1 over #3, but Ainge was never going to give them #1 in a trade for a player. The #3 pick is still most likely to be the best asset any of those teams will get in trade. Philly isn't trading #1, and I don't think LAL is going to trade #2 either.

Cap wise it now works to trade for a guy like Butler or George prior to free agency. It's gonna happen, so people better start to accept it. Ainge has no intention on keeping the #3.

[Somebody]

So the other team would rather have the #3 pick instead of the #1 pick? Does that really make any sense, any at all?

Of course other teams would rather have #1 over #3, but Ainge was never going to give them #1 in a trade for a player. The #3 pick is still most likely to be the best asset any of those teams will get in trade. Philly isn't trading #1, and I don't think LAL is going to trade #2 either.

Cap wise it now works to trade for a guy like Butler or George prior to free agency. It's gonna happen, so people better start to accept it. Ainge has no intention on keeping the #3.

And I'm hoping the guy we trade the pick for is Porzingis

[obnoxiousmime]

The #1 pick is much more valuable to most teams than the #3, so I suspect that this deal happened only after they concluded there was not a star trade that was worth pursuing THIS offseason, or not one that they could wait for. Once you draft a player it's very awkward to suddenly deal him a month later (this is what happened to Wiggins), though I'm not saying it's something the Celtics would never consider.

After that, they looked at this draft and decided Fultz was not necessarily the player they wanted most and figured they'd trade down and get another asset. They probably couldn't wait until the draft to make the deal because Fultz needed to work out in Philly and the Celtics needed to run their own workouts with potential #3 picks due to a lot of them, for various reasons, avoiding working out for Boston.

The extra pick will come in handy next year if there is a move to be made for a star, and I think I know who they are dreaming of. It's obviously Anthony Davis who would be the perfect fit. The Pelicans aren't ready to deal him now, but after potentially losing Jrue Holiday and having another disappointing season, the pressure to take Boston's godfather offer will be even greater.

I think the Celtics will just keep on trying to roll the pick over unless they are in a position to draft someone who is a super-duper star. They must have concluded that Fultz isn't on that level. I don't think it had anything to do with Thomas' presence, because Ainge isn't stupid enough to give up on 8-9 years of a James Harden type just because we still have a few more years of Thomas' prime left.

[obnoxiousmime]

After I just posted I saw this tweet from Ramona Shelburne:
 

Ramona Shelburne: General league reaction to Sixers-Celtics trade: There’s a reason it’s happening early. Both teams still maneuvering.
– via Twitter ramonashelburne

[TheSundanceKid]

After I just posted I saw this tweet from Ramona Shelburne:
 

Ramona Shelburne: General league reaction to Sixers-Celtics trade: There’s a reason it’s happening early. Both teams still maneuvering.
– via Twitter ramonashelburne

It's not happening early, it's been leaked by the Sixers. I'm sure DA would have liked to work out Tatum and Jackson without the public knowing he was intending on trading down.

As for a trade for a star, this trade frees up space to sign Hayward without giving up Bradley. Post signing him we can take on 125% of salary back in trade, meaning we won't have to send as many players out in the deal. So there is unlikely to be a trade on draft night.

[RockinRyA]

After I just posted I saw this tweet from Ramona Shelburne:
 

Ramona Shelburne: General league reaction to Sixers-Celtics trade: There’s a reason it’s happening early. Both teams still maneuvering.
– via Twitter ramonashelburne

It's not happening early, it's been leaked by the Sixers. I'm sure DA would have liked to work out Tatum and Jackson without the public knowing he was intending on trading down.

As for a trade for a star, this trade frees up space to sign Hayward without giving up Bradley. Post signing him we can take on 125% of salary back in trade, meaning we won't have to send as many players out in the deal. So there is unlikely to be a trade on draft night.

It really is happening early. They plan on completing the trade before the draft, which is earlier than most trades for draft picks.

[TheSundanceKid]

After I just posted I saw this tweet from Ramona Shelburne:
 

Ramona Shelburne: General league reaction to Sixers-Celtics trade: There’s a reason it’s happening early. Both teams still maneuvering.
– via Twitter ramonashelburne

It's not happening early, it's been leaked by the Sixers. I'm sure DA would have liked to work out Tatum and Jackson without the public knowing he was intending on trading down.

As for a trade for a star, this trade frees up space to sign Hayward without giving up Bradley. Post signing him we can take on 125% of salary back in trade, meaning we won't have to send as many players out in the deal. So there is unlikely to be a trade on draft night.

It really is happening early. They plan on completing the trade before the draft, which is earlier than most trades for draft picks.

Let's say it is happening early, I still don't think that points towards a trade for someone like Butler. We would have to send out matching salary to keep max cap space (which cannot include Zeller) which means the #3, Bradley and Crowder for sure, a price that Ainge was reportedly unwilling to pay a year ago.
If we wait til after the draft then it could be #3, Bradley and Rozier instead which would be more palatable. My personal opinion is that won't happen at all but it certainly makes more sense to do it after signing a max FA.

[Rida]

After I just posted I saw this tweet from Ramona Shelburne:
 

Ramona Shelburne: General league reaction to Sixers-Celtics trade: There’s a reason it’s happening early. Both teams still maneuvering.
– via Twitter ramonashelburne

It's not happening early, it's been leaked by the Sixers. I'm sure DA would have liked to work out Tatum and Jackson without the public knowing he was intending on trading down.

As for a trade for a star, this trade frees up space to sign Hayward without giving up Bradley. Post signing him we can take on 125% of salary back in trade, meaning we won't have to send as many players out in the deal. So there is unlikely to be a trade on draft night.

Doesn't the fact that he hasn't worked out ball, Tatum or Jackson indicate that he's moving the pick? Because if it doesn't it should.

Also throw in the fact that the deal got done early so Ainge could peddle the pick around.

Boston and Chicago have been discussing a Jimmy Butler trade for two years, I think Danny has a pretty good idea of the parameters, and if one of them is a "top 3 Pick in 2017" then Danny achieved this, whilst also getting a 2-5 pick next year.

The timing of the deal and the fact that guys in that range haven't worked out in Boston for me indicates that Ainge is looking to deal the pick.

Also the fact that if you move the  Fultz pick, you are shifting from a long view to a win now mode.

[TheSundanceKid]

They worked out Tatum in LA. Jackson and Ball have been invited but so far have rejected the invites.

I don't think moving away from Fultz means entering win now anymore than before. Ainge seems to be happy to move down because he sees little difference in the talent level between Fultz and Jackson, Ball, Tatum

[ederson]

They worked out Tatum in LA. Jackson and Ball have been invited but so far have rejected the invites.

I don't think moving away from Fultz means entering win now anymore than before. Ainge seems to be happy to move down because he sees little difference in the talent level between Fultz and Jackson, Ball, Tatum

So DA wants to draft a guy that rejected the workout invite ? is that common ? Maybe it not taht unsual but in my mind sounds a bit strange....

[saltlover]

They worked out Tatum in LA. Jackson and Ball have been invited but so far have rejected the invites.

I don't think moving away from Fultz means entering win now anymore than before. Ainge seems to be happy to move down because he sees little difference in the talent level between Fultz and Jackson, Ball, Tatum

So DA wants to draft a guy that rejected the workout invite ? is that common ? Maybe it not taht unsual but in my mind sounds a bit strange....

It's sub-optimal.  And I wouldn't do it with Jackson.  BJ Armstrong is a moron of an agent, and I wouldn't be shocked if he convinced Jackson to not sign to force a trade.  This is the same guy who convinced Motiejunas to not report for a physical to Houston.

[PAOBoston]

They worked out Tatum in LA. Jackson and Ball have been invited but so far have rejected the invites.

I don't think moving away from Fultz means entering win now anymore than before. Ainge seems to be happy to move down because he sees little difference in the talent level between Fultz and Jackson, Ball, Tatum

So DA wants to draft a guy that rejected the workout invite ? is that common ? Maybe it not taht unsual but in my mind sounds a bit strange....

They keep tabs on these guys and know everything about them. BUT, compared to prior drafts for example, the C's ended up drafting a guy they had worked out multiple times (Smart 2x, Rozier 2x, Brown 2x). So I think it might be unlikely they go that route but I also thought it was unlikely they trade the #1 pick.