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Re: IT, Hayward, Butler is ridiculous in a bad way.
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2017, 12:28:00 PM »

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Chris Paul is WAY more ball dominant than IT. Just because Thomas shoots more does not mean he's ball dominant.

Jimmy butler is the only one who is ball dominant. Both Thomas and Hayward could be terrific off ball and obviously guys like Horford Crowder and Bradley if they remained in the roster would thrive off ball.

IT is as ball dominant as it gets. But put that on the coaching.  Brad allows Isiah to basically do what he wants. He would be much better at times off the ball and playing in a role like Bradley.
What makes Golden State superior to Cleveland-(besides Kevin Durant) is that they move the ball in a number of sets.  When Cleveland did that, it was beautiful basketball. 

Butler and Hayward are terrific facilitators. Check out their APG.  If Brad can assert himself into making Butler, IT and Hayward move without the ball. Horford already does. This team could be excellent.  Still lacking interior presence-though.
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Re: IT, Hayward, Butler is ridiculous in a bad way.
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2017, 12:32:36 PM »

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I think the Idea is to have enough star or high scoring capable players to keep two on the court for 48 minutes .   GS always has two great playersmon the floor with three rotation guys . 

Cavs wanted that ...rather Lebron sees thats the key so he and Irving , sit .....two more true scorers , not has been players from 12 years ago can come in and keep up the pressure and points going in the bucket.

I think we have to have minimum of 4-5 guys who can put the ball in the hole ANYTime ,  not part time like AB, Smart or KO .......

I think the whole league sees this now .......Lebron comment when he is GM or owner ...he signs Everybody who is star .....you can t have enough.

This.

Stevens is getting better with his rotations, but he's been limited with who he has, he's constantly searching for the guy who steps up that night and helps IT. There is a reason our bench gets out scored even though they are pretty good on the defensive end.

With having a IT/Butler/Haywad/Horford, you can sit two at a time and they will be fresher at the end of games. And at the end of the season. IT hates sitting, but he's going to have to buy in. The way Stevens subs is like hockey, constantly bringing in fresh players, that the other D has to get use to. Only problem is, again, players on the team haven't been consistent enough for it to work. 

But you can see when the team is clicking, how good the offense is, they just roll. It's what drives me nuts when people complain about Stevens's offense when they aren't playing well. Same offense that they were using the game before when they blew a team out by 15, or beat a GSW or Cavs team, just players were balling that night.

Re: IT, Hayward, Butler is ridiculous in a bad way.
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2017, 12:33:35 PM »

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I think the Idea is to have enough star or high scoring capable players to keep two on the court for 48 minutes .   GS always has two great playersmon the floor with three rotation guys . 

Cavs wanted that ...rather Lebron sees thats the key so he and Irving , sit .....two more true scorers , not has been players from 12 years ago can come in and keep up the pressure and points going in the bucket.

I think we have to have minimum of 4-5 guys who can put the ball in the hole ANYTime ,  not part time like AB, Smart or KO .......

I think the whole league sees this now .......Lebron comment when he is GM or owner ...he signs Everybody who is star .....you can t have enough.

This.

Stevens is getting better with his rotations, but he's been limited with who he has, he's constantly searching for the guy who steps up that night and helps IT. There is a reason our bench gets out scored even though they are pretty good on the defensive end.

With having a IT/Butler/Haywad/Horford, you can sit two at a time and they will be fresher at the end of games. And at the end of the season. IT hates sitting, but he's going to have to buy in. The way Stevens subs is like hockey, constantly bringing in fresh players, that the other D has to get use to. Only problem is, again, players on the team haven't been consistent enough for it to work. 

But you can see when the team is clicking, how good the offense is, they just roll. It's what drives me nuts when people complain about Stevens's offense when they aren't playing well. Same offense that they were using the game before when they blew a team out by 15, or beat a GSW or Cavs team, just players showed up that night.

Re: IT, Hayward, Butler is ridiculous in a bad way.
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2017, 12:39:29 PM »

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Chris Paul is WAY more ball dominant than IT. Just because Thomas shoots more does not mean he's ball dominant.

Jimmy butler is the only one who is ball dominant. Both Thomas and Hayward could be terrific off ball and obviously guys like Horford Crowder and Bradley if they remained in the roster would thrive off ball.

IT is as ball dominant as it gets. But put that on the coaching.  Brad allows Isiah to basically do what he wants. He would be much better at times off the ball and playing in a role like Bradley.
What makes Golden State superior to Cleveland-(besides Kevin Durant) is that they move the ball in a number of sets.  When Cleveland did that, it was beautiful basketball. 

Butler and Hayward are terrific facilitators. Check out their APG.  If Brad can assert himself into making Butler, IT and Hayward move without the ball. Horford already does. This team could be excellent.  Still lacking interior presence-though.
The numbers do not support your assertion that Thomas is as ball dominant as it gets. He is like mid 20s in time per touch, dribbles per touch and touch volume. That's really not ball dominant when you think that the 4 guys he starts with are all completely useless creating their own shots.