If we are trading away the #1, I think we are getting Butler or Paul George

[chambers]

Only way I see us giving up Fultz is because we are getting one of PG13 or Butler and hopefully Hayward is coming.

Lets look at series of events:
-Jackson cancelled his workout with the Celtics
-Ball refused to work out of us.
-Chicago and Indiana are both primed for rebuilds.
Both Butler and PG13 are in their primes. We have IT and Horford in their primes. And we have Hayward on ice approaching his prime.

We didn't see Jackson or Ball for workouts, so we probably aren't taking either of them.

My personal assumption is that if we are trading away the #1 pick it means we are getting Paul George or Jimmy Butler and we are sending the #3 pick to Chicago or Indiana.

We get a haul from Philly of future picks and maybe Okafor.
Chicago gets #3 (or Indiana)
We get a star player with lots of future picks.


I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd certainly prefer Butler or PG13 over any of those guys at #2,3 or 4.

Unfortunately if we are getting both Hayward and one of PG/Butler, then we are going to see Bradley, Amir, Zeller, Jerebko all go out.

I'd say we keep Crowder as our Iggy guy off bench considering his contract, and Brown stays on bench.

Seems like an Ainge kind of move for me if he's not taking the BPA.

[jpotter33]

I agree. With the timing of this leak and everything else that has gone on, I think that if this type of trade does go down it's because Danny has a deal set up for a star, most likely Butler or George, preferably the latter if he's open to staying here long-term.

I still would rather have Fultz + Hayward/Griffin, though, depending upon how much the star would cost. It's very possible that we could trade for Butler or George and still gain something like the Lakers pick next year, too. In that case, maybe a trade like this wouldn't be too bad.

[wiley]

Only way I see us giving up Fultz is because we are getting one of PG13 or Butler and hopefully Hayward is coming.

Lets look at series of events:
-Jackson cancelled his workout with the Celtics
-Ball refused to work out of us.
-Chicago and Indiana are both primed for rebuilds.
Both Butler and PG13 are in their primes. We have IT and Horford in their primes. And we have Hayward on ice approaching his prime.

We didn't see Jackson or Ball, so we probably aren't taking either of them.

My personal assumption is that if we are trading away the #1 pick it means we are getting Paul George or Jimmy Butler and we are sending the #3 pick to Chicago or Indiana.

We get a haul from Philly of future picks and maybe Okafor.
Chicago gets #3 (or Indiana)
We get a star player with lots of future picks.


I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd certainly prefer Butler or PG13 over any of those guys at #2,3 or 4.

Unfortunately if we are getting both Hayward and one of PG/Butler, then we are going to see Bradley, Amir, Zeller, Jerebko all go out.

I'd say we keep Crowder as our Iggy guy off bench considering his contract, and Brown stays on bench.

Seems like an Ainge kind of move for me if he's not taking the BPA.

As i said in the other thread, good post and it makes a lot of sense.  Ainge is willing to give up youth for stars as he showed by adding KG and Ray.  Our big 3 were all in their early 30's.  Butler and George still in their 20's.  Cleveland will fall apart long before GS, either with James' departure or James' finally wearing down (next year will be 8 straight finals appearances?)

GS will not be done in by 4th year Markelle Fultz...
in 3 years Butler will still be younger than Pierce was we assembled the big 3.  And we'll add more stars going along. 

[max215]

I'm genuinely curious as to what those who complain about our team's inability to win anything of consequence this year are going to say when we go all-in and still can't win jack.

[chambers]

I'm genuinely curious as to what those who complain about our team's inability to win anything of consequence this year are going to say when we go all-in and still can't win jack.

East is just so weak right now. With Butler or PG AND Hayward, we'd probably be favorites vs Cavs with a solid 30% chance vs GSW. I mean the Cavs should have won at least 2 games vs GSW, and if we can beat the Cavs we would probably give ourselves at least 2 or 3 games vs the Warriors.

I can see the logic of capitalizing on a weak East and then worrying about Warriors when we get there.

[EJPLAYA]

Of all these rumors the thing that I would LEAST like to see is Butler or George end up in a Celtics uniform if it requires us to give up anything in return. If George goes into free agency and wants to sign on then yes. We should do that. These guys are additional pieces, not centerpieces on a championship team. We will not beat the Cavs with them and giving up other core players or draft picks to get them. Quite honestly I think Danny knows that unless things fall perfectly we aren't beating the Cavs with Lebron for the next 2-3 years anyway. This is why he is setting himself up with high level picks to be able to be ready to fill the void that will be created once Lebron is no longer enough to keep them at the top of the East.

Smart thinking Danny and if you can get a top 5 likely pick next year to move down 2 spots please pull the trigger!

[max215]

I'm genuinely curious as to what those who complain about our team's inability to win anything of consequence this year are going to say when we go all-in and still can't win jack.

East is just so weak right now. With Butler or PG AND Hayward, we'd probably be favorites vs Cavs with a solid 30% chance vs GSW. I mean the Cavs should have won at least 2 games vs GSW, and if we can beat the Cavs we would probably give ourselves at least 2 or 3 games vs the Warriors.

I can see the logic of capitalizing on a weak East and then worrying about Warriors when we get there.

With Butler/PG AND Hayward, I'd call a series with the Cavs 50/50; the team with home court would likely be the favorite. However, you are penciling Hayward in. When did it become a certainty that Hayward is coming to Boston? As for the Warriors, we would get stomped. Absolutely stomped.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I'm genuinely curious as to what those who complain about our team's inability to win anything of consequence this year are going to say when we go all-in and still can't win jack.

East is just so weak right now. With Butler or PG AND Hayward, we'd probably be favorites vs Cavs with a solid 30% chance vs GSW. I mean the Cavs should have won at least 2 games vs GSW, and if we can beat the Cavs we would probably give ourselves at least 2 or 3 games vs the Warriors.

I can see the logic of capitalizing on a weak East and then worrying about Warriors when we get there.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we get either PG or Butler, wouldn't our cap room be NOT enough to sign Gordon Hayward?

[max215]

I'm genuinely curious as to what those who complain about our team's inability to win anything of consequence this year are going to say when we go all-in and still can't win jack.

East is just so weak right now. With Butler or PG AND Hayward, we'd probably be favorites vs Cavs with a solid 30% chance vs GSW. I mean the Cavs should have won at least 2 games vs GSW, and if we can beat the Cavs we would probably give ourselves at least 2 or 3 games vs the Warriors.

I can see the logic of capitalizing on a weak East and then worrying about Warriors when we get there.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we get either PG or Butler, wouldn't our cap room be NOT enough to sign Gordon Hayward?

It becomes workable without the salary from #1, I believe.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I'm genuinely curious as to what those who complain about our team's inability to win anything of consequence this year are going to say when we go all-in and still can't win jack.

East is just so weak right now. With Butler or PG AND Hayward, we'd probably be favorites vs Cavs with a solid 30% chance vs GSW. I mean the Cavs should have won at least 2 games vs GSW, and if we can beat the Cavs we would probably give ourselves at least 2 or 3 games vs the Warriors.

I can see the logic of capitalizing on a weak East and then worrying about Warriors when we get there.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we get either PG or Butler, wouldn't our cap room be NOT enough to sign Gordon Hayward?

It becomes workable without the salary from #1, I believe.

Really? Because we're taking $16 million from Butler, or $19 million from George. Wouldn't take take a big chunk of our cap space?

In the meantime, we can get Fultz, sign Hayward (open up room by trading a small contract) and still have the talent.

I really don't get the obsession with PG or Butler when we can draft for the future and sign a player for the present.

[max215]

I'm genuinely curious as to what those who complain about our team's inability to win anything of consequence this year are going to say when we go all-in and still can't win jack.

East is just so weak right now. With Butler or PG AND Hayward, we'd probably be favorites vs Cavs with a solid 30% chance vs GSW. I mean the Cavs should have won at least 2 games vs GSW, and if we can beat the Cavs we would probably give ourselves at least 2 or 3 games vs the Warriors.

I can see the logic of capitalizing on a weak East and then worrying about Warriors when we get there.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we get either PG or Butler, wouldn't our cap room be NOT enough to sign Gordon Hayward?

It becomes workable without the salary from #1, I believe.

Really? Because we're taking $16 million from Butler, or $19 million from George. Wouldn't take take a big chunk of our cap space?

In the meantime, we can get Fultz, sign Hayward (open up room by trading a small contract) and still have the talent.

I really don't get the obsession with PG or Butler when we can draft for the future and sign a player for the present.

I haven't looked at the numbers myself, since the very thought of a move like this makes me physically ill, but I've seen Ryan Bernardoni indicate that trading #1 makes it doable. I'm with you on PG/Butler. If he pick isn't Fultz, and the end game isn't AD, Towns, or Giannis, I'll be devastated.

[aingeforthree]

I'm genuinely curious as to what those who complain about our team's inability to win anything of consequence this year are going to say when we go all-in and still can't win jack.

East is just so weak right now. With Butler or PG AND Hayward, we'd probably be favorites vs Cavs with a solid 30% chance vs GSW. I mean the Cavs should have won at least 2 games vs GSW, and if we can beat the Cavs we would probably give ourselves at least 2 or 3 games vs the Warriors.

I can see the logic of capitalizing on a weak East and then worrying about Warriors when we get there.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we get either PG or Butler, wouldn't our cap room be NOT enough to sign Gordon Hayward?

It becomes workable without the salary from #1, I believe.

Really? Because we're taking $16 million from Butler, or $19 million from George. Wouldn't take take a big chunk of our cap space?

In the meantime, we can get Fultz, sign Hayward (open up room by trading a small contract) and still have the talent.

I really don't get the obsession with PG or Butler when we can draft for the future and sign a player for the present.

I haven't looked at the numbers myself, since the very thought of a move like this makes me physically ill, but I've seen Ryan Bernardoni indicate that trading #1 makes it doable. I'm with you on PG/Butler. If he pick isn't Fultz, and the end game isn't AD, Towns, or Giannis, I'll be devastated.

My guess with Ainge is that he loves Fultz, Jackson, or Tatum, and believes he can land one plus inherit 2/3 more first rounders by trading down to #3. Then he uses the 2/3 more first rounders in a package for Butler.

You won't be devastated over that, would you ?

[LilRip]

I'd hate to miss out on Fultz but It/Bradley/PG/Blake/Horford features 4 all stars and a bonafide all-defense 1st teamer. How does this team not have a chance against GSW? I'd say it's got a real decent shot!

[max215]

I'm genuinely curious as to what those who complain about our team's inability to win anything of consequence this year are going to say when we go all-in and still can't win jack.

East is just so weak right now. With Butler or PG AND Hayward, we'd probably be favorites vs Cavs with a solid 30% chance vs GSW. I mean the Cavs should have won at least 2 games vs GSW, and if we can beat the Cavs we would probably give ourselves at least 2 or 3 games vs the Warriors.

I can see the logic of capitalizing on a weak East and then worrying about Warriors when we get there.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we get either PG or Butler, wouldn't our cap room be NOT enough to sign Gordon Hayward?

It becomes workable without the salary from #1, I believe.

Really? Because we're taking $16 million from Butler, or $19 million from George. Wouldn't take take a big chunk of our cap space?

In the meantime, we can get Fultz, sign Hayward (open up room by trading a small contract) and still have the talent.

I really don't get the obsession with PG or Butler when we can draft for the future and sign a player for the present.

I haven't looked at the numbers myself, since the very thought of a move like this makes me physically ill, but I've seen Ryan Bernardoni indicate that trading #1 makes it doable. I'm with you on PG/Butler. If he pick isn't Fultz, and the end game isn't AD, Towns, or Giannis, I'll be devastated.

My guess with Ainge is that he loves Fultz, Jackson, or Tatum, and believes he can land one plus inherit 2/3 more first rounders by trading down to #3. Then he uses the 2/3 more first rounders in a package for Butler.

You won't be devastated over that, would you ?

Okay, if he gets 3, 2018 Lakers, 2018 Sixers, and 2019 Kings, even I will have to acknowledge that that is a ridiculous amount of value. There's still a pretty good chance we'd never get a prospect as good as Fultz.

[MVPPierceNoJoke]

Really do not want to see the pick traded for Jimmy Butler. The Celtics can do better than that. He would be taking minutes from Brown. Why trade picks and our future for a guy that will take minutes from Brown and not put us over the top.