Get the Celtics a frontcourt.

[RodyTur10]

Okay, first of all I wouldn't let it come to that. Renouncing Olynyk and then using all the cap space for Gordon Hayward. In fact, I would like to keep Olynyk and use the cap space to sign a PF.

However, in your scenario I would trade Crowder (+ 1st LA Clippers '19 if necessary) for a lottery draft pick. With that pick I would select a PF with high potential in Isaac. If not available anymore I would go for another underrated player in Anunoby or Leaf. I like all three very much. I don't have much faith in Yabusele.

We then have great prospects at PG (Fultz), SF (Brown), PF (Isaac/Anunoby/Leaf) and C (Zizic). I would try to get Jerebko back for the room exception (and would Gerald Green come back for the vet min?). With one of the 2nd round draft picks I would take on a project center (Pasecniks/Bryant).

My last move would be to trade either Thomas or Smart (very difficult decision), because of the log jam in minutes for the back court, for future pick(s) and a back-up center. Possibly to the Knicks (O'Quinn + picks).

Celtics roster 2017/2018:

Fultz/Smart/Jackson
Bradley/Rozier/Green
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Isaac/Jerebko
Zizic/O'Quinn/Pasecniks.

You don't get Horford if you trade IT. Also, we take a major leap backwards. These moves probably knock us down to a near lottery level team, if not in the lottery.

We already have Horford  . So maybe we don't get Hayward, I'm fine with that, but then we would have cap space to operate for other options. With this team though I'm not sure we take a major step backwards.

We replace Thomas with Fultz (big drop off in the short run), at SF we have an upgrade with Hayward for Crowder and Brown can be expected to improve a lot. Upfront we replace the trio Olynyk, Johnson and Zeller with Isaac, Zizic and O'Quinn. Olynyk obviously is better than Isaac, but I rate Zizic and O'Quinn higher than a washed up Johnson and Zeller. Still a clear playoff team in my book with a lot of growth potential.

[CELTICSofBOSTON]

Would we get the room exception or the full mid-level exception (~8 million)?

If it's the latter... Willie Reed to start alongside Al Horford.

Just the room exception. If you use cap space to sign a player you don't get the mid level or bi-annual exceptions that year.

Thank you for the clarification.

Bummer.  I really really like Willie Reed.  He played awesome as a starter last year.  Is a terrific rebounder, a good lob target, and plays within himself.  Fits very well next to Al Horford.  The room exception clearly is not enough for Big Willie.

[Csfan1984]

Maybe DA waits for mid season buy out player

[tstorey_97]

Ainge has shown us for the last couple  of years "win now" is not on his mind...don't agree?

Ainge got Crowder and Thomas because he was in the room when the trade went down. Not because he's been breaking himself in two trying to get them. They were bench players...remember? On the Celtics they become starting superstars waiting for zillions.

Look at our bigs. Amir can't jump....it's really important for bigs to be able to jump and the guy is our starter.

Zeller is here so his contract can be used in a trade. No other reason, he's a mathematical equation.

The bench?

James Young has been averaging 45 seconds a game for three years...he's on our roster...he never plays, ever. Mickey? Who's that?

A frontcourt? Great, Ainge has five guards and he's a few days from drafting a sixth, his coach "plays small" a lot because he doesn't have any other guys who can play for crying out loud.

In the playoffs, Gerald Green started in our frontcourt? In Steven's system you obviously don't have to be 7 feet tall you just have to be able to jump 7 feet.

"Hey Danny? I just got off the phone with the Celtic's fanbase, they want to trade some of our guys for frontcourt pieces...any thoughts?"

Ainge eyes start to dart around, he hunches over..."I really only want lots of smalls, dwaft pix and bigs who can't play that much."

"We know that by looking at the current roster, Danny. What if we swap some of our guard talent for a big who can jump, run and shoot while playing some defense?"

Ainge relaxes, "Keep the bigs that we have and dwaft some more guards."

In all seriousness, Ainge wants Davis and I'm with him, just when?

[loco_91]

My dream target, although he would cost significant assets, is Clint Capela. We could have drafted him instead of James Young... but anyway. Capela is a stellar shot blocker and an explosive roll man who would perfectly complement Horford, and he's 22. The Rockets will want to get back players who can help them both now and later, so I'd offer them Bradley and Yabusele. We might have to add bit more.

Smart/Fultz
IT/Brown/Rozier
Hayward/Crowder/Brown
Horford/Crowder
Capela/Zizic

If all our young players get slightly better and Fultz/Zizic are as good as advertised, I think this team would be 50/50 vs Cleveland next year.

[nickagneta]

Okay, first of all I wouldn't let it come to that. Renouncing Olynyk and then using all the cap space for Gordon Hayward. In fact, I would like to keep Olynyk and use the cap space to sign a PF.

However, in your scenario I would trade Crowder (+ 1st LA Clippers '19 if necessary) for a lottery draft pick. With that pick I would select a PF with high potential in Isaac. If not available anymore I would go for another underrated player in Anunoby or Leaf. I like all three very much. I don't have much faith in Yabusele.

We then have great prospects at PG (Fultz), SF (Brown), PF (Isaac/Anunoby/Leaf) and C (Zizic). I would try to get Jerebko back for the room exception (and would Gerald Green come back for the vet min?). With one of the 2nd round draft picks I would take on a project center (Pasecniks/Bryant).

My last move would be to trade either Thomas or Smart (very difficult decision), because of the log jam in minutes for the back court, for future pick(s) and a back-up center. Possibly to the Knicks (O'Quinn + picks).

Celtics roster 2017/2018:

Fultz/Smart/Jackson
Bradley/Rozier/Green
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Isaac/Jerebko
Zizic/O'Quinn/Pasecniks.

You don't get Horford if you trade IT. Also, we take a major leap backwards. These moves probably knock us down to a near lottery level team, if not in the lottery.

We already have Horford  . So maybe we don't get Hayward, I'm fine with that, but then we would have cap space to operate for other options. With this team though I'm not sure we take a major step backwards.

We replace Thomas with Fultz (big drop off in the short run), at SF we have an upgrade with Hayward for Crowder and Brown can be expected to improve a lot. Upfront we replace the trio Olynyk, Johnson and Zeller with Isaac, Zizic and O'Quinn. Olynyk obviously is better than Isaac, but I rate Zizic and O'Quinn higher than a washed up Johnson and Zeller. Still a clear playoff team in my book with a lot of growth potential.

You want to replace nearly 50 PPG in IT, Johnson, Olynyk and Jerebko with rookie Fultz, rookie Zizic, rookie Isaacand O'Quinn.

As I meant to say, trade IT and there is no Hayward. That team steps back into the lottery.

[RodyTur10]

Okay, first of all I wouldn't let it come to that. Renouncing Olynyk and then using all the cap space for Gordon Hayward. In fact, I would like to keep Olynyk and use the cap space to sign a PF.

However, in your scenario I would trade Crowder (+ 1st LA Clippers '19 if necessary) for a lottery draft pick. With that pick I would select a PF with high potential in Isaac. If not available anymore I would go for another underrated player in Anunoby or Leaf. I like all three very much. I don't have much faith in Yabusele.

We then have great prospects at PG (Fultz), SF (Brown), PF (Isaac/Anunoby/Leaf) and C (Zizic). I would try to get Jerebko back for the room exception (and would Gerald Green come back for the vet min?). With one of the 2nd round draft picks I would take on a project center (Pasecniks/Bryant).

My last move would be to trade either Thomas or Smart (very difficult decision), because of the log jam in minutes for the back court, for future pick(s) and a back-up center. Possibly to the Knicks (O'Quinn + picks).

Celtics roster 2017/2018:

Fultz/Smart/Jackson
Bradley/Rozier/Green
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Isaac/Jerebko
Zizic/O'Quinn/Pasecniks.

You don't get Horford if you trade IT. Also, we take a major leap backwards. These moves probably knock us down to a near lottery level team, if not in the lottery.

We already have Horford  . So maybe we don't get Hayward, I'm fine with that, but then we would have cap space to operate for other options. With this team though I'm not sure we take a major step backwards.

We replace Thomas with Fultz (big drop off in the short run), at SF we have an upgrade with Hayward for Crowder and Brown can be expected to improve a lot. Upfront we replace the trio Olynyk, Johnson and Zeller with Isaac, Zizic and O'Quinn. Olynyk obviously is better than Isaac, but I rate Zizic and O'Quinn higher than a washed up Johnson and Zeller. Still a clear playoff team in my book with a lot of growth potential.

You want to replace nearly 50 PPG in IT, Johnson, Olynyk and Jerebko with rookie Fultz, rookie Zizic, rookie Isaac and O'Quinn.

As I meant to say, trade IT and there is no Hayward. That team steps back into the lottery.

I understand what you mean to say, but it's not fair to just take Hayward out of the equation. Because if he doesn't sign here, there are a lot of other choices to be made with that cap space.

If you say that I can't trade Thomas for the sake of your scenario then I would trade Smart. In which case the production of Smart, Crowder, Olynyk, Johnson and Zeller has to be replaced by Fultz, Hayward, Isaac, Zizic and O'Quinn, which is very doable.

[nickagneta]

Okay, first of all I wouldn't let it come to that. Renouncing Olynyk and then using all the cap space for Gordon Hayward. In fact, I would like to keep Olynyk and use the cap space to sign a PF.

However, in your scenario I would trade Crowder (+ 1st LA Clippers '19 if necessary) for a lottery draft pick. With that pick I would select a PF with high potential in Isaac. If not available anymore I would go for another underrated player in Anunoby or Leaf. I like all three very much. I don't have much faith in Yabusele.

We then have great prospects at PG (Fultz), SF (Brown), PF (Isaac/Anunoby/Leaf) and C (Zizic). I would try to get Jerebko back for the room exception (and would Gerald Green come back for the vet min?). With one of the 2nd round draft picks I would take on a project center (Pasecniks/Bryant).

My last move would be to trade either Thomas or Smart (very difficult decision), because of the log jam in minutes for the back court, for future pick(s) and a back-up center. Possibly to the Knicks (O'Quinn + picks).

Celtics roster 2017/2018:

Fultz/Smart/Jackson
Bradley/Rozier/Green
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Isaac/Jerebko
Zizic/O'Quinn/Pasecniks.

You don't get Horford if you trade IT. Also, we take a major leap backwards. These moves probably knock us down to a near lottery level team, if not in the lottery.

We already have Horford  . So maybe we don't get Hayward, I'm fine with that, but then we would have cap space to operate for other options. With this team though I'm not sure we take a major step backwards.

We replace Thomas with Fultz (big drop off in the short run), at SF we have an upgrade with Hayward for Crowder and Brown can be expected to improve a lot. Upfront we replace the trio Olynyk, Johnson and Zeller with Isaac, Zizic and O'Quinn. Olynyk obviously is better than Isaac, but I rate Zizic and O'Quinn higher than a washed up Johnson and Zeller. Still a clear playoff team in my book with a lot of growth potential.

You want to replace nearly 50 PPG in IT, Johnson, Olynyk and Jerebko with rookie Fultz, rookie Zizic, rookie Isaac and O'Quinn.

As I meant to say, trade IT and there is no Hayward. That team steps back into the lottery.

I understand what you mean to say, but it's not fair to just take Hayward out of the equation. Because if he doesn't sign here, there are a lot of other choices to be made with that cap space.

If you say that I can't trade Thomas for the sake of your scenario then I would trade Smart. In which case the production of Smart, Crowder, Olynyk, Johnson and Zeller has to be replaced by Fultz, Hayward, Isaac, Zizic and O'Quinn, which is very doable.

TP....Yeah, maybe. Gotta hope at least one of those rookies produces in meaningful minutes, but yeah...its very possible.

[hwangjini_1]

here is a link to a list of the free agent centers in 2017. they have them ranked, but make of that what you wish. i thought the list might help discussions on this thread.

http://hoopshype.com/2017/04/26/nba-free-agency-2017-centers/

[__ramonezy__]

Sully, Derrick Williams, Montiejunas, Alex Len or Alan Williams.

We need a big body that can bang and rebound. If we are talking about potential upside I would go Williams or Len... if we're looking for the safest bet... good ole Sully

[CELTICSofBOSTON]

Sully, Derrick Williams, Montiejunas, Alex Len or Alan Williams.

We need a big body that can bang and rebound. If we are talking about potential upside I would go Williams or Len... if we're looking for the safest bet... good ole Sully

Would any of them sign for the Room exception? M

[Celtics4ever]

Sully, Derrick Williams, Montiejunas, Alex Len or Alan Williams.

We need a big body that can bang and rebound. If we are talking about potential upside I would go Williams or Len... if we're looking for the safest bet... good ole Sully

I think the ship has signed for Sully.   Ainge could have brought him at the deadline but choose not to do so.   He could have got him cheap.  Sully can't keep himself in shape, can't shoot and is not dependable in terms of health.  We got further without him this year and actually won a playoff series but that happens when you got guys who don't eat themselves over 300 lbs while playing.

The guys you list make me think we are trying to lose or tank.  Most of them are not modern NBA players or retreads.

[RodyTur10]

Sully, Derrick Williams, Montiejunas, Alex Len or Alan Williams.

We need a big body that can bang and rebound. If we are talking about potential upside I would go Williams or Len... if we're looking for the safest bet... good ole Sully

I think the ship has signed for Sully.    Ainge could have brought him at the deadline but choose not to do so.   He could have got him cheap.  Sully can't keep himself in shape, can't shoot and is not dependable in terms of health.  We got further without him this year and actually won a playoff series but that happens when you got guys who don't eat themselves over 300 lbs while playing.

The guys you list make me think we are trying to lose or tank.  Most of them are not modern NBA players or retreads.

If you can only offer a player 2 million a year your demands can't be too high.

[More Banners]

If we sign Hayward how do we get a better big than KO?

That's the thing. KO is the keeper, the bench (consequently more expendable) guys become Smart, Rozier, Crowder...guys that are good value bench guys that everyone including us want. We might have to sacrifice them for space to improve our 1-5. We keep Brown and Fultz and Zizic of course. Those 3 could be our 6-8, though perhaps a player comes back via trade or a vet min plays off the bench. This is perhaps for short money keeping Rozier might be a good idea. He has a little experience and comes super cheap. Upside like crazy still.

So then I think there is a starting 5 that can hang with most teams, and a rotation bench that is all about the future.

Perhaps this roster wins a title.

The question is who will be starting by then?  Perhaps our guys simply change roles as their careers progress?  Are we looking at that level of talent here?  Or, can our young guys play now, and still become stars down the road, say, when they hit 25 or so?

Anything is possible.

[Beat LA]

My dream target, although he would cost significant assets, is Clint Capela. We could have drafted him instead of James Young... but anyway. Capela is a stellar shot blocker and an explosive roll man who would perfectly complement Horford, and he's 22. The Rockets will want to get back players who can help them both now and later, so I'd offer them Bradley and Yabusele. We might have to add bit more.

Smart/Fultz
IT/Brown/Rozier
Hayward/Crowder/Brown
Horford/Crowder
Capela/Zizic

If all our young players get slightly better and Fultz/Zizic are as good as advertised, I think this team would be 50/50 vs Cleveland next year.

Does Capela have any actual skill, though?  All I've ever seen him do is dunk.  All you have to do to play in the NBA now, if you're a big guy, is be able to move your feet.  That's it, lol . Pathetic, imo.