If Crowder has ANY problem with Hayward he gets moved

[KingofDaPlayazBall]

Naawww, I rather keep crowder Hayward is overrated and will be overpaid

[Celtics4ever]

Naawww, I rather keep crowder Hayward is overrated and will be overpaid

I would take Hayward over Crowder 100 out of 100 times.

[KG Living Legend]

 I can't put my finger on it, but I don't like JAE anymore. Important to note we used the #3 pick on Jaylen Brown.

 Does this team need a 20 ppg starter in Hayward, A budding 20 year old star in the making in Brown, and Crowder for the next two years?

 I don't think so. Crowder's value will never be higher, if we land Hayward please move Crowder.

[KG Living Legend]

Naawww, I rather keep crowder Hayward is overrated and will be overpaid

I would take Hayward over Crowder 100 out of 100 times.

 I'm with you too. Crowder over Hayward is laughable. Crowder is a three andD guy and that's it. And his three is suspect.

[Celtics4ever]

Crowder was a no-show for much of the playoffs esp against Cleveland.

TP , True!

I can't put my finger on it, but I don't like JAE anymore. Important to note we used the #3 pick on Jaylen Brown.

For me the more he shot, and he shot well in the regular season, the more I disliked him.  He would try to take hero shots down the stretch that he had no business taking.  The guy is always hot at the start of the game but at the end, oh brother.

Crowder is a good rotational glue guy

I used to think this but once IT went down we were leaderless.

[kozlodoev]

I can't put my finger on it, but I don't like JAE anymore. Important to note we used the #3 pick on Jaylen Brown.

That's easy. He forgot that being a hard-nosed blue-collar type of player made him a starter and started fancying himself some sort of offensive "star" or a "sharpshooter" if you wish.

[loco_91]

Why on earth would we trade Crowder. He's better than Bradley and Smart, and he's the only one of our rotation guards/wings who isn't up for a massive new contract. Besides, there's no reason that Hayward can't start at the 2 or Crowder can't start at the 4.

Of course there is. Hayward is not a SG and Crowder is not a PF.

If Crowder could play PF with any semblance of reliability, this would have been made evident this season when we had no big other than Horford that was worth their salt.

For whatever it's worth, since coming to Boston Crowder has spent 26% of his minutes at PF. Hayward spent 29% of his minutes at PF last season. Both are capable of playing the 4 in small ball lineups.

Correct, but the notion that you can simply start Hayward and slide Crowder to PF, thus solving your logjam is fundamentally flawed. Crowder can't and won't be your starting PF.

Playing PF situationally is one thing. Starting every game at PF is completely different. I don't doubt that if we sign Hayward, Crowder and is attractive contract will be dangled as our best chance to get us a starting caliber big.

I think Hayward's minutes at the 4 may not be indicative of what we can do with him here. The Jazz have Gobert as their goalie. We have nothing comparable.

I'm a big believer in giving Stevens talent and letting him figure it out. I just don't see how it's a problem to have two starting-quality wings whose most natural position is SF. Look at GSW, their best starter and their best bench player are both SFs. So maybe Hayward and Crowder both start, maybe Crowder comes off the bench but plays starter minutes, whatever. It's not like the Celtics won't be good because Crowder keeps getting posted by PFs or Hayward keeps getting burned by SGs.

[Celtics18]

Crowder is the least likely to be moved, because we're heading toward a financial cliff if we get rid of our good contracts while paying IT, AB, and Smart market value.

 Not if he voices displeasure over Hayward. You can see it coming. He hates Hayward. He's gonna be irate once it happens.

 Hopefully we can extend Smart on a team friendly extension, he can be the new Crowder.

Jae Crowder doesn't "hate" Gordon Hayward.  I predict he'll gladly embrace his new role if we sign Hayward.

[Phantom255x]

Crowder off the bench for high energy minutes as a 3 and D guy at 7M/Year is a BARGAIN.

I think he'd happily accept that role.

Could also play the PF during small ball situations with Hayward on the bench or playing the 3.

[Jon]

Crowder off the bench for high energy minutes as a 3 and D guy at 7M/Year is a BARGAIN.

I think he'd happily accept that role.

Could also play the PF during small ball situations with Hayward on the bench or playing the 3.

That would be the idea; sell him on the Posey role where he'd come in and play the lockdown defender and stretch 4 in crunch time. I think it could work short term; the question would be whether he'd keep that role with the emergence of Jaylen Brown. Of course that would also depend on other factors like Bradley and/or Smart staying around and how fast Fultz develops.

[KG Living Legend]

https://youtu.be/rB0AmrwZQHk


 The clip of Crowder crying about Hayward.

[emajic1]

I can't put my finger on it, but I don't like JAE anymore. Important to note we used the #3 pick on Jaylen Brown.

That's easy. He forgot that being a hard-nosed blue-collar type of player made him a starter and started fancying himself some sort of offensive "star" or a "sharpshooter" if you wish.

Agreed.  And for this reason, he is not a bargain, but I believe he has trade value because of the contract.  I don't think his ego will allow him to co-exist w/Hayward, or handle a demotion, and I hope he is the one moved to free up space. 

[Beat LA]

We need guys that can play against GSW units. Crowder is one of those and on a cheap contract. That enables having a few max guys while having depth. He could be the Posey we couldn't retain. I am not saying he is off limits, just that he is valuable in many ways, even if he is not spectacular.

Say what?

He had 9 points in 3/8 versus them, shot .33% from the field but boarded well at 10 boards.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400900354


He missed the other game with an injury but as you can see, he hardly carried us against them.

he also missed our W against them last season.

GSW games are evidence to keep Olynyk.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha .

[Rondo9]

I think Jae will be fine and he and Hayward can co-exist if Hayward comes here.

[Ilikesports17]

We need guys that can play against GSW units. Crowder is one of those and on a cheap contract. That enables having a few max guys while having depth. He could be the Posey we couldn't retain. I am not saying he is off limits, just that he is valuable in many ways, even if he is not spectacular.

Say what?

He had 9 points in 3/8 versus them, shot .33% from the field but boarded well at 10 boards.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400900354


He missed the other game with an injury but as you can see, he hardly carried us against them.

he also missed our W against them last season.

GSW games are evidence to keep Olynyk.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha .

25 points and a plus 17 in a win in oracle.

Last year he had probably the best game of his career against GSW in the double overtime loss.

Obviously performance against GSW is only a tiny portion of the veal process but Kelly does quite well in that tiny portion.