If Crowder has ANY problem with Hayward he gets moved

[Androslav]

We need guys that can play against GSW units. Crowder is one of those and on a cheap contract. That enables having a few max guys while having depth. He could be the Posey we couldn't retain. I am not saying he is off limits, just that he is valuable in many ways, even if he is not spectacular.

[More Banners]

Not sure I would bet real money on any specific player still being a Celtic on opening day, perhaps with the exception of Horford.  There is just so much flexibility in the roster and contract situations, and we are so clearly not on the doorstep of a title, that a very compelling case can be made for just about anything.

Crowder is a great example. Least likely to go due to contract, positional need, and fit. He is also most likely to be included in a trade for the same reason. Pretty solid role players on good deals are coveted. So it could go either way.

Discuss.

[Celtics4ever]

We need guys that can play against GSW units. Crowder is one of those and on a cheap contract. That enables having a few max guys while having depth. He could be the Posey we couldn't retain. I am not saying he is off limits, just that he is valuable in many ways, even if he is not spectacular.

Say what?

He had 9 points in 3/8 versus them, shot .33% from the field but boarded well at 10 boards.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400900354


He missed the other game with an injury but as you can see, he hardly carried us against them.

[Surferdad]

Crowder is the least likely to be moved, because we're heading toward a financial cliff if we get rid of our good contracts while paying IT, AB, and Smart market value.

Not sure I agree.  What timeframe are you talking about, Roy?  Those guys don't need to re-upped until next off-season.  If Hayward comes here, Crowder and with one or more of those guys could be moved this off-season, probably for a big man.  Team has too many wings/swings with Hayward.

Next off-season. We can't pay Horford a max, Hayward a max, IT a max, Bradley a near-max, and Smart $15+ million.

What we can do is afford to pay Jae a sub-MLE deal.

By then, Crowder and Bradley will be gone.  Smart will only command $10-12mm if he doesn't improve his shooting.  Like I said, I see Crowder traded soon if Hayward comes here.

[Ilikesports17]

We need guys that can play against GSW units. Crowder is one of those and on a cheap contract. That enables having a few max guys while having depth. He could be the Posey we couldn't retain. I am not saying he is off limits, just that he is valuable in many ways, even if he is not spectacular.

Say what?

He had 9 points in 3/8 versus them, shot .33% from the field but boarded well at 10 boards.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400900354


He missed the other game with an injury but as you can see, he hardly carried us against them.

he also missed our W against them last season.

GSW games are evidence to keep Olynyk.

[2short]

Here is something no one is mentioning.  If we sign Hayward as a free agent for our sf position .  Besides crowder at that same position we have this kid...rookie contract, looks like he has future all star written on him.  Remember him?
If Hayward is signed I'd expect Crowder in a package to land a big. 

[kozlodoev]

Why on earth would we trade Crowder. He's better than Bradley and Smart, and he's the only one of our rotation guards/wings who isn't up for a massive new contract. Besides, there's no reason that Hayward can't start at the 2 or Crowder can't start at the 4.

Of course there is. Hayward is not a SG and Crowder is not a PF.

If Crowder could play PF with any semblance of reliability, this would have been made evident this season when we had no big other than Horford that was worth their salt.

[Roy H.]

Why on earth would we trade Crowder. He's better than Bradley and Smart, and he's the only one of our rotation guards/wings who isn't up for a massive new contract. Besides, there's no reason that Hayward can't start at the 2 or Crowder can't start at the 4.

Of course there is. Hayward is not a SG and Crowder is not a PF.

If Crowder could play PF with any semblance of reliability, this would have been made evident this season when we had no big other than Horford that was worth their salt.

For whatever it's worth, since coming to Boston Crowder has spent 26% of his minutes at PF. Hayward spent 29% of his minutes at PF last season. Both are capable of playing the 4 in small ball lineups.

[SparzWizard]

Crowder was a no-show for much of the playoffs esp against Cleveland.

He does not get any say about Hayward coming here.

[Surferdad]

Here is something no one is mentioning.  If we sign Hayward as a free agent for our sf position .  Besides crowder at that same position we have this kid...rookie contract, looks like he has future all star written on him.  Remember him?
If Hayward is signed I'd expect Crowder in a package to land a big.

This is the simple logic that makes the most sense.  I've enjoyed having Jae Crowder as a Celtic.  Reminds be a bit of Eric Williams.  Time to move on to greater talent at that position.

EDIT:TP

[kozlodoev]

Why on earth would we trade Crowder. He's better than Bradley and Smart, and he's the only one of our rotation guards/wings who isn't up for a massive new contract. Besides, there's no reason that Hayward can't start at the 2 or Crowder can't start at the 4.

Of course there is. Hayward is not a SG and Crowder is not a PF.

If Crowder could play PF with any semblance of reliability, this would have been made evident this season when we had no big other than Horford that was worth their salt.

For whatever it's worth, since coming to Boston Crowder has spent 26% of his minutes at PF. Hayward spent 29% of his minutes at PF last season. Both are capable of playing the 4 in small ball lineups.

Correct, but the notion that you can simply start Hayward and slide Crowder to PF, thus solving your logjam is fundamentally flawed. Crowder can't and won't be your starting PF.

Playing PF situationally is one thing. Starting every game at PF is completely different. I don't doubt that if we sign Hayward, Crowder and is attractive contract will be dangled as our best chance to get us a starting caliber big.

[RodyTur10]

Crowder was a no-show for much of the playoffs esp against Cleveland.

He does not get any say about Hayward coming here.

Finally someone speaking up. TP.

Have we been watching the playoffs?

Crowder is not better than Bradley. Is not a good match up with GSW (Durant anybody?). And he can not play at PF for long periods of time.

Also TP for Ilikesports17 for admitting that Olynyk is a valuable piece going forward.

[green_bballers13]

Crowder is a good rotational glue guy. He is certainly not a piece to build around. On a championship team, he comes off the bench. If Danny wants to build a contender, I can't imagine that Jae is a big concern of his.

[Irish Stew]

Why on earth would we trade Crowder. He's better than Bradley and Smart, and he's the only one of our rotation guards/wings who isn't up for a massive new contract. Besides, there's no reason that Hayward can't start at the 2 or Crowder can't start at the 4.

Of course there is. Hayward is not a SG and Crowder is not a PF.

If Crowder could play PF with any semblance of reliability, this would have been made evident this season when we had no big other than Horford that was worth their salt.

For whatever it's worth, since coming to Boston Crowder has spent 26% of his minutes at PF. Hayward spent 29% of his minutes at PF last season. Both are capable of playing the 4 in small ball lineups.

Correct, but the notion that you can simply start Hayward and slide Crowder to PF, thus solving your logjam is fundamentally flawed. Crowder can't and won't be your starting PF.

Playing PF situationally is one thing. Starting every game at PF is completely different. I don't doubt that if we sign Hayward, Crowder and is attractive contract will be dangled as our best chance to get us a starting caliber big.

I think Hayward's minutes at the 4 may not be indicative of what we can do with him here. The Jazz have Gobert as their goalie. We have nothing comparable.

[biggs]

Crowders ability to play the 4, play good defense and be on a bargain deal for the next 3 years make him really ideal to keep.

That said, if we are picking between Hayward and Crowder, thats an easy call. Im taking Gordy even at 30 mil.

They can totally co-exist, even as starters. (As you mentioned, Crowder can play the 4). I also like Crowder and his team-friendly contract coming off the bench, and also agree that if he doesn't like his role, we may have to move him