Stevens needs to close deal on Hayward

[KGBirdBias]

If the reports are true that it's really down to the Jazz, HEAT and Celtics for Hayward. Stevens should be the one that can close the deal if it's between Riley and Ainge. What does Miami offer basketball wise besides the weather and no state taxes than Boston? Are they already giving up on Winslow at SF? He might as well stay in Utah if he is really considering the HEAT.

I do believe he's leaving because remember he signed an offer sheet with the Hornets a few years ago. He wasn't concerned about state taxes or weather back then.

[Future Celtics Owner]

can they even talk to him yet?

[footey]

can they even talk to him yet?

Nope. But players can, as long as they aren't doing it at the direction of their team office.

[mmmmm]

can they even talk to him yet?

Nope. But players can, as long as they aren't doing it at the direction of their team office.

Actually, technically players are under the same tampering rules.  They can talk, but they can't talk in way that can construed as tampering (negotiating for services, enticing, etc):

Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team in order to negotiate for their services. The NBA may impose suspensions and/or fines up to $50,000 if tampering is discovered, however the league's practice has been to wait until a team lodges a complaint before investigating (but that's not to say they don't continue to monitor the league and won't take action independently if they discover that tampering has occurred). Here are some examples:

• The Miami Heat were discovered to have tampered with Pat Riley in 1995 by negotiating with Riley while he was the head coach of the New York Knicks. The Heat "settled," and avoided league-imposed penalties, by compensating the Knicks with $1 million and their first round draft pick in 1996.
• After Will Perdue left San Antonio in the 1999 offseason to sign with Chicago, he commented to the press about the possibility of the Bulls signing Tim Duncan and/or Grant Hill in 2000. The league considered this to be tampering, and issued Perdue a warning.

You may have noticed that when general managers and other team personnel talk to the press, they are careful to avoid talking about specific players who play for other teams. They do this in order to avoid tampering. The only allowed response when talking about players under contract with other teams is to decline comment.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q109

[RIPRED]

If the reports are true that it's really down to the Jazz, HEAT and Celtics for Hayward. Stevens should be the one that can close the deal if it's between Riley and Ainge. What does Miami offer basketball wise besides the weather and no state taxes than Boston? Are they already giving up on Winslow at SF? He might as well stay in Utah if he is really considering the HEAT.

I do believe he's leaving because remember he signed an offer sheet with the Hornets a few years ago. He wasn't concerned about state taxes or weather back then.

The weather is pretty decent in Charlotte so I'm not sure how that offer sheet says anything about Hayward's feelings about weather.

Also, the state income tax thing is a pretty big deal when you're making $30 mill per year. I'd be interested in comparing the difference between tax rates in FLA and NC (but I'm too lazy to actually do the research myself).

[Ilikesports17]

If we dont get Hayward I really wouldnt care.

He's not a super-star, he will be really expensive, and he really complicates the fit situation and hamstrings our ability to bring in big man help we desperately need.

That said, he is an all-star talent in his prime. Im not gonnna be mad if we miss out on him, but hes not some huge victory if he does sign here.

[footey]

can they even talk to him yet?

Nope. But players can, as long as they aren't doing it at the direction of their team office.

Actually, technically players are under the same tampering rules.  They can talk, but they can't talk in way that can construed as tampering (negotiating for services, enticing, etc):

Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team in order to negotiate for their services. The NBA may impose suspensions and/or fines up to $50,000 if tampering is discovered, however the league's practice has been to wait until a team lodges a complaint before investigating (but that's not to say they don't continue to monitor the league and won't take action independently if they discover that tampering has occurred). Here are some examples:

• The Miami Heat were discovered to have tampered with Pat Riley in 1995 by negotiating with Riley while he was the head coach of the New York Knicks. The Heat "settled," and avoided league-imposed penalties, by compensating the Knicks with $1 million and their first round draft pick in 1996.
• After Will Perdue left San Antonio in the 1999 offseason to sign with Chicago, he commented to the press about the possibility of the Bulls signing Tim Duncan and/or Grant Hill in 2000. The league considered this to be tampering, and issued Perdue a warning.

You may have noticed that when general managers and other team personnel talk to the press, they are careful to avoid talking about specific players who play for other teams. They do this in order to avoid tampering. The only allowed response when talking about players under contract with other teams is to decline comment.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q109

Thanks for clarifying.

But let's say 3 guys who are about to become free agents (e.g., James, Bosh and Wade) go on vacation together, and Wade persuades the other two to leave their team, that is technically tampering? Or when IT says that he talked to so and so at the All Star game (nod, nod, wink, wink), is that tampering?

I always thought there needed to be a nexus between the front office and the player pitching the team.  Reading that rule, it does not appear to be required.

[Ilikesports17]

can they even talk to him yet?

Nope. But players can, as long as they aren't doing it at the direction of their team office.

Actually, technically players are under the same tampering rules.  They can talk, but they can't talk in way that can construed as tampering (negotiating for services, enticing, etc):

Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team in order to negotiate for their services. The NBA may impose suspensions and/or fines up to $50,000 if tampering is discovered, however the league's practice has been to wait until a team lodges a complaint before investigating (but that's not to say they don't continue to monitor the league and won't take action independently if they discover that tampering has occurred). Here are some examples:

• The Miami Heat were discovered to have tampered with Pat Riley in 1995 by negotiating with Riley while he was the head coach of the New York Knicks. The Heat "settled," and avoided league-imposed penalties, by compensating the Knicks with $1 million and their first round draft pick in 1996.
• After Will Perdue left San Antonio in the 1999 offseason to sign with Chicago, he commented to the press about the possibility of the Bulls signing Tim Duncan and/or Grant Hill in 2000. The league considered this to be tampering, and issued Perdue a warning.

You may have noticed that when general managers and other team personnel talk to the press, they are careful to avoid talking about specific players who play for other teams. They do this in order to avoid tampering. The only allowed response when talking about players under contract with other teams is to decline comment.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q109

Thanks for clarifying.

But let's say 3 guys who are about to become free agents (e.g., James, Bosh and Wade) go on vacation together, and Wade persuades the other two to leave their team, that is technically tampering? Or when IT says that he talked to so and so at the All Star game (nod, nod, wink, wink), is that tampering?

I always thought there needed to be a nexus between the front office and the player pitching the team.  Reading that rule, it does not appear to be required.

player on player tampering is almost never enforced.

Players more or less admit to tampering all the time and are basically never punished.

Im sure it depends on the wording Wade used, but if he talked to James and Bosh about joining the heat while all were under contract, that is absolutely tampering. Its just never ever enforced.

Like the warriors tampered with KD to absurd levels and were completely open about it and nothing happened to them. The league just doesnt enforce it when done by players.

[CelticSooner]

If we dont get Hayward I really wouldnt care.

He's not a super-star, he will be really expensive, and he really complicates the fit situation and hamstrings our ability to bring in big man help we desperately need.

That said, he is an all-star talent in his prime. Im not gonnna be mad if we miss out on him, but hes not some huge victory if he does sign here.

He's a victory because he upgrades the talent on this team.

[Ilikesports17]

If we dont get Hayward I really wouldnt care.

He's not a super-star, he will be really expensive, and he really complicates the fit situation and hamstrings our ability to bring in big man help we desperately need.

That said, he is an all-star talent in his prime. Im not gonnna be mad if we miss out on him, but hes not some huge victory if he does sign here.

He's a victory because he upgrades the talent on this team.

yeah, I agree. I just dont think its a big one.

Doesnt make or break the offseason.

[Surferdad]

If the reports are true that it's really down to the Jazz, HEAT and Celtics for Hayward. Stevens should be the one that can close the deal if it's between Riley and Ainge. What does Miami offer basketball wise besides the weather and no state taxes than Boston? Are they already giving up on Winslow at SF? He might as well stay in Utah if he is really considering the HEAT.

I do believe he's leaving because remember he signed an offer sheet with the Hornets a few years ago. He wasn't concerned about state taxes or weather back then.

The weather is pretty decent in Charlotte so I'm not sure how that offer sheet says anything about Hayward's feelings about weather.

Also, the state income tax thing is a pretty big deal when you're making $30 mill per year. I'd be interested in comparing the difference between tax rates in FLA and NC (but I'm too lazy to actually do the research myself).

Income tax is a big issue, but one thing I heard not too long ago is that each player pays income tax in the state in which they work, which means where each game is played. So players in non income tax states get the benefit for only 41 games. The accounting must get hairy with all the states and I'm sure they all have tax accountants but you get the idea.

[Phantom255x]

If we dont get Hayward I really wouldnt care.

He's not a super-star, he will be really expensive, and he really complicates the fit situation and hamstrings our ability to bring in big man help we desperately need.

That said, he is an all-star talent in his prime. Im not gonnna be mad if we miss out on him, but hes not some huge victory if he does sign here.

He's a victory because he upgrades the talent on this team.

yeah, I agree. I just dont think its a big one.

Doesnt make or break the offseason.

To be fair, no one does. Even Griffin is a HUGE risk (and that's assuming he leaves LAC which I doubt he does to be honest)

Last summer with max cap space before rookie deals and everything comes into play so Ainge will probably want to sign someone who can provide an upgrade.

Hayward is also versatile and can play the 2-4 depending on situations/matchups.

[Bobshot]

Miami could be fake news, maybe created by an agent. Can't see much incentive for Hayward there. It's Utah or Boston. If The Celtics want him, he will need a better reason than Miami to say no.

[Rosco917]

We need another player that can get his shot in the worst way. Fultz is to young to help this year. Hayward fits the bill.

But we also need a true center or a power forward in the worst way. Amir is a goner, KO if we sign him is a 7th man off the bench. We need a front line starting big too.

Can't see how we do this without a trade.

[playdream]

We need another player that can get his shot in the worst way. Fultz is to young to help this year. Hayward fits the bill.

But we also need a true center or a power forward in the worst way. Amir is a goner, KO if we sign him is a 7th man off the bench. We need a front line starting big too.

Can't see how we do this without a trade.

It's called Zizic