does warriors dominance equal hayward

[rollie mass]

Looking down the barrel of that Warrior squad for the foreseeable future might motivate him beside the obvious connection to Brad.The Warriors will attract the best vets coming off the bench at discount looking for a ring.Their situation looks long and getting stronger.

Hayward might prefer playing with Horford  a big that stretches and a great passer.Then the attention Isaiah gets should really favor Hayward.
The  media attention the Celts get as a rising team with Danny and Brad and the focus to build and win another banner. Too  to be part of that legacy in a sports mad great city might be just enough.

[Csfan1984]

The whole league is toast. Any FA should just look for max dollars they can get. No team is taking warriors with out at least having two top 10 players.

[Granath]

The whole league is toast. Any FA should just look for max dollars they can get. No team is taking warriors with out at least having two top 10 players.

I don't agree with this. The Warriors are a great team no doubt but they can be beaten. The Cs have matched up quite well against GSW the past two seasons and we don't have even one top 10 player.

The trick will to be to combine enough offensive firepower with the ability to drive their guard-heavy small-ball offense nuts. We actually do a darn good job with Bradley/Smart in that regard. Both guys can cover the 1 and 2 and do so in different ways that make it difficult for players to get into rhythm. Horford is perfect to cover Green. No one can cover Durant but that's okay.

The problem is that we don't have the offensive firepower to keep up. If Jaylen blossoms into the scorer that many of think he will or if we get Hayward/Butler/George or if Fultz can score coming into the NBA then there's a better chance. Trade for a guy like Favors (and pray that he's healthy) and that team can compete. I don't know if it wins but it gives GSW all they can handle.

Of course, I also have not been part of the "win now" crowd and this is precisely why. I don't want to play the fully loaded Warriors if we can avoid it.

[Tr1boy]

The whole league is toast. Any FA should just look for max dollars they can get. No team is taking warriors with out at least having two top 10 players.

Cavs already have two top 10 calibre players.. add Love

you need at least 4 all stars to have a chance

[Jvalin]

The whole league is toast. Any FA should just look for max dollars they can get. No team is taking warriors with out at least having two top 10 players.

Cavs already have two top 10 calibre players.. add Love

you need at least 4 all stars to have a chance

They have 4 all-stars and 2 MVPs. First team ever with 2 MVPs, both below 30. So I guess you need 4 all-stars and at least 1 MVP caliber player as well. Good luck with that.

[Granath]

The whole league is toast. Any FA should just look for max dollars they can get. No team is taking warriors with out at least having two top 10 players.

Cavs already have two top 10 calibre players.. add Love

you need at least 4 all stars to have a chance

They have 4 all-stars and 2 MVPs. First team ever with 2 MVPs, both below 30. So I guess you need 4 all-stars and at least 1 MVP caliber player as well. Good luck with that.

*sigh*

No, what you need are the right matchups. You can't compete with their firepower. What you have to do is take them out of their game.

I'm old school so I look to GSW like being George Foreman. Unstoppable. Knocked Frazier out who beat Ali. A wrecking machine. Frazier couldn't come close to beating him. Norton looked pathetic against him. Yet Ali came in and beat the heck out of big George and fairly dominated that fight (led on all 3 scorecards when he knocked him out). Yet Frazier and Norton gave Ali whuppins' (Ali's decision over Norton was a farce).

Same deal applies here. Cleveland doesn't match up really well against GSW. If the Warriors hadn't been complacent last year this would be their 3rd straight victory over them. You can't beat them at their own game. You have to take them out of it. Frankly, I think we have *most* of the roster to already do that which is why we're 2-2 against them the last two years. The problem is that we don't match up well against Cleveland and yes we need a bit more firepower on our end to truly have a chance. But they're not neigh invincible and we shouldn't be treating them like it.

[Csfan1984]

The whole league is toast. Any FA should just look for max dollars they can get. No team is taking warriors with out at least having two top 10 players.

Cavs already have two top 10 calibre players.. add Love

you need at least 4 all stars to have a chance

I think you had a good supporting cast two is enough. The Cavs could do better than they have showed and should have won last night had some one stepped up.

[JSD]

I really just can't stand this front running bullEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.. It was one thing when James joined up with other star players to start something from scratch in Miami, but for Durant to go to a 73 win team like this, a team that had already won a championship, it is just awful for basketball.

The cause was the cap spike coinciding with incredibly team friendly extensions given to Curry, Thompson and Dray, by the GM, Myers, before those players took things to the next level and started performing like superstars. It was the perfect storm that allowed GS to sign Durant, so hats off to Bob Myers for cap management and talent evaluation never before seen.

Luckily for the rest of us, the luxury tax in the new CBA is so financially hampering that GS's shelf life will only last another season or two, otherwise the owner, Lacob, is going to be paying something like $5 million per $1 Million spent over the cap. Hopefully that breaks it up.

Alright, long winded rant over. I'm going to bed a bitter NBA fan.

[Onslaught]

I really just can't stand this front running bull****. It was one thing when James joined up with other star players to start something from scratch in Miami, but for Durant to go to a 73 win team like this, a team that had already won a championship, it is just awful for basketball.

I have a feeling that if this was the Celtics that somehow pulled this off we'd all be ok with it. The only reason people think it's awful is because their team didn't do it.

[Chief Macho]

lets just be honest,  the nba kinda sucks. 

[Jvalin]

The whole league is toast. Any FA should just look for max dollars they can get. No team is taking warriors with out at least having two top 10 players.

Cavs already have two top 10 calibre players.. add Love

you need at least 4 all stars to have a chance

They have 4 all-stars and 2 MVPs. First team ever with 2 MVPs, both below 30. So I guess you need 4 all-stars and at least 1 MVP caliber player as well. Good luck with that.

*sigh*

No, what you need are the right matchups. You can't compete with their firepower. What you have to do is take them out of their game.

I'm old school so I look to GSW like being George Foreman. Unstoppable. Knocked Frazier out who beat Ali. A wrecking machine. Frazier couldn't come close to beating him. Norton looked pathetic against him. Yet Ali came in and beat the heck out of big George and fairly dominated that fight (led on all 3 scorecards when he knocked him out). Yet Frazier and Norton gave Ali whuppins' (Ali's decision over Norton was a farce).

Same deal applies here. Cleveland doesn't match up really well against GSW. If the Warriors hadn't been complacent last year this would be their 3rd straight victory over them. You can't beat them at their own game. You have to take them out of it. Frankly, I think we have *most* of the roster to already do that which is why we're 2-2 against them the last two years. The problem is that we don't match up well against Cleveland and yes we need a bit more firepower on our end to truly have a chance. But they're not neigh invincible and we shouldn't be treating them like it.

We are light years away from Golden State. Good luck trying to match up against them with Hayward, IT, Horford and Bradley (assuming he stays which is far from certain) . Don't get me wrong, these are all very good players. Thing is Durant, Curry, Thompson and Green are way better, and to make matters worse, they have already built an almost perfect on-court chemistry.

[pearljammer10]

The whole league is toast. Any FA should just look for max dollars they can get. No team is taking warriors with out at least having two top 10 players.

I don't agree with this. The Warriors are a great team no doubt but they can be beaten. The Cs have matched up quite well against GSW the past two seasons and we don't have even one top 10 player.

The trick will to be to combine enough offensive firepower with the ability to drive their guard-heavy small-ball offense nuts. We actually do a darn good job with Bradley/Smart in that regard. Both guys can cover the 1 and 2 and do so in different ways that make it difficult for players to get into rhythm. Horford is perfect to cover Green. No one can cover Durant but that's okay.

The problem is that we don't have the offensive firepower to keep up. If Jaylen blossoms into the scorer that many of think he will or if we get Hayward/Butler/George or if Fultz can score coming into the NBA then there's a better chance. Trade for a guy like Favors (and pray that he's healthy) and that team can compete. I don't know if it wins but it gives GSW all they can handle.

Of course, I also have not been part of the "win now" crowd and this is precisely why. I don't want to play the fully loaded Warriors if we can avoid it.

Love the optimism... but as constructed the Warriors can't be beat in a seven games series unless its a fluke.

[JSD]

I really just can't stand this front running bull****. It was one thing when James joined up with other star players to start something from scratch in Miami, but for Durant to go to a 73 win team like this, a team that had already won a championship, it is just awful for basketball.

I have a feeling that if this was the Celtics that somehow pulled this off we'd all be ok with it. The only reason people think it's awful is because their team didn't do it.

I like how you cutoff the part where I gave credit and admitted I'm bitter.

[Granath]

The whole league is toast. Any FA should just look for max dollars they can get. No team is taking warriors with out at least having two top 10 players.

Cavs already have two top 10 calibre players.. add Love

you need at least 4 all stars to have a chance

They have 4 all-stars and 2 MVPs. First team ever with 2 MVPs, both below 30. So I guess you need 4 all-stars and at least 1 MVP caliber player as well. Good luck with that.

*sigh*

No, what you need are the right matchups. You can't compete with their firepower. What you have to do is take them out of their game.

I'm old school so I look to GSW like being George Foreman. Unstoppable. Knocked Frazier out who beat Ali. A wrecking machine. Frazier couldn't come close to beating him. Norton looked pathetic against him. Yet Ali came in and beat the heck out of big George and fairly dominated that fight (led on all 3 scorecards when he knocked him out). Yet Frazier and Norton gave Ali whuppins' (Ali's decision over Norton was a farce).

Same deal applies here. Cleveland doesn't match up really well against GSW. If the Warriors hadn't been complacent last year this would be their 3rd straight victory over them. You can't beat them at their own game. You have to take them out of it. Frankly, I think we have *most* of the roster to already do that which is why we're 2-2 against them the last two years. The problem is that we don't match up well against Cleveland and yes we need a bit more firepower on our end to truly have a chance. But they're not neigh invincible and we shouldn't be treating them like it.

We are light years away from Golden State. Good luck trying to match up against them with Hayward, IT, Horford and Bradley (assuming he stays which is far from certain) . Don't get me wrong, these are all very good players. Thing is Durant, Curry, Thompson and Green are way better, and to make matters worse, they have already built an almost perfect on-court chemistry.

I've been around for a long time. I've seen a lot of "invincible" teams that have lost. 1980 Russian Olympic team. 2007 NE Patriots. 1968 Baltimore Colts. 1986 Edmonton Oilers. 1996 Detroit Red Wings. 2016 Golden State Warriors. 1991 UNLV Running Rebels. 1973 Celtics. 2001 Seattle Mariners. The list goes on...

All of these teams were considered unbeatable history-making teams of destiny. Yet none of them won a championship. Some lost in one game. Some lost in 7. All of these were beaten by supposedly inferior teams that simply (a) played perfectly and/or (b) matched up very well against their opposition.

The Warriors are the NBA's best team. But they're not unbeatable and of all the teams out there the two that match up the best are us and San Antonio. I'm not saying we wouldn't be underdogs but we would have a fighting chance. And if we can have a fighting chance while drafting for the future then that's the best of both worlds.

[tonydelk]

The whole league is toast. Any FA should just look for max dollars they can get. No team is taking warriors with out at least having two top 10 players.

Somewhat agree.  Take the money or go to the East.  No one is beating the Warriors out west unless an injury happens.  The Cavs are being exposed to the type of basketball that will beat them.  Movement and knockdown shooters.  Iso basketball plays in the Cavs favor.  Movement beats them.