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My take on this year draft best prospects
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Offline vgulab

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Unique situation for Celtics fans this year. We have top pick and we are considering the best prospects in this draft. Scouts say it's really strong draft, which means there might be a superstar coming out of this draft. I believe that no team should trade the number 1 pick ever, and probably the only player for whom i would consider trading is Anthony Davis but that's not happening. But lately i've changed my mind about that, listening to DA talking about how many calls he is getting about the pick and that he is exploring every option, i came to conclusion that another option is trading down. C's looking at Isaac and Smith who are top 10 picks but not a posibility for number 1 make me think that maybe trading down is really going to happen. So i watched some youtube videos and read stuff about the prospects, analyse stats.... And he is my analyses about the top prospects.

1. Markelle Fultz 23.2 POINTS 5.7 REBOUNDS 5.9 ASSISTS

I agree that Fultz is the best player from this draft. He is nba ready now at the age of 19 and also i think he has the biggest potential. But will he became a top 5 player in this league and potential mvp candidate? Or he will became borderline allstar who will be a star on the team and score a bunch of points but wouldn't bring a title here? I can't answer that. I'm not sure about that but probably of all the players on this draft he has the biggest chance to became a superstar.
He is a combo guard. Prefers to play the PG position and has the ball in his hands but he is also very good as a off ball player at the SG position. He also has an nba body and standing at 6'4 with 6'9 wingspan he can play more postions. He is a versatile scorer, able to score diffrently. He can shoot off ball, he can create his own shot, he can drive, he can get to FT line... Also solid passer and scorer. His defense is not great, but his wingspan is giving him ability to became really good defensive player...if he is willing to.  The kid is already really good player but he probably needs to develop leadership skills because he is a  quiet kid. From his stats as a weakness i could see his FT% at only 65%. Biggest adventige is that he is type of a player that can fit in every system.

Strengths: creating his own shot, getting to the FT line, driving to the rim, shooting, versatility, nba ready, wingspan
Weaknesses: FT % , defense, lack of leadership
Ability:    B+
Potential: A

2. Lonzo Ball 14.6 POINTS 6.0 REBOUNDS 7.6 ASSISTS

Probably most of Celtics fans already hate this kid mainly because of his father. And you are right, his father who thinks only for money, is probably hurting his son chances of a top pick. He declined to workout for Boston, he plan to workout for the Lakers but from what we are hearing they are not sold on his and might not select him, than 76ers really liking Josh Jackson....who knows what will happen. But as a player Ball is a unique player. He is 6'6 but he is PG and nothing else. Great court vision, great passes, smart point guard and also solid defensive player. He has ugly release form but he has solid shooting %. He doesn't take to many shots, he plays the game like a old fashion point guard- pass first. This is and era of a score first PG's and Ball is not that kind of a player. So to me is a disadvantige because with his kind of a game he can't fit in every system. He can't play for every coach. That's just my opinion. So size and passing make him really good prospect and looks like he doesn't have weaknesess except his lack of versatility. But except for his passing he is not great in anything else.

Strengths: passing, size, good rebounder for his position, basketball IQ
Weaknesses: lack of aggression, lack of attacking the rim resulting in not getting FT, despite his 6'6 frame he is not versatile enough to play more positions.
Ability:   B
Potential B+

3. Josh Jackson 16.3 POINTS 7.4 REBOUNDS 3.0 ASSISTS

He is guy that 76ers really like and plan to select. Probably a player with less weaknesses than other prospects. He is a 6'8 small forward who is all around and plays both ends of the floor. Great defensive player, they compare him with Leonard defensively. He get steals, blocks, rebounds, assists... He is really all around player. He also showed that in need he can be a point forward and score in isolation or create for others. His biggest problem is the shooting. He has very bad shooting %. If he became better shooter he can became the next Leonard. Another problem is his 200 lbs. Not strong enough to play the 4 on small ball which can be usefull for some teams. My opinion is that this guy is already really good player and can contribute from season 1 to the team that selects him.

Strengths: defense, abillity to be a point-forward, good rebounder, smart offensive player when he scores on more ways
Weaknesses: shooting, lack of strength
Ability: B+
Potential A

4. De'Aaron Fox  16.7 POINTS 4.0 REBOUNDS 4.6 ASSISTS

Another point guard. Another solid prospect. More and more teams are liking this guy. What he brings to the table? Speed. He will be on of the fastest guys in nba. He likes to run in transition. Solid all around player who can play defense but also score and pass. But he is doesn't excel in anything except explosiveness. He is skilled and fast, and he uses those things to score and play good defense. I believe his ceiling is starter on a team but not a team leader. In todays nba if the PG can't shoot, that's a problem. And Fox can't really shoot form distance, his 3pt % is 25%. So because of that i believe he will became good player but not a superstar.

Strengths: speed, explosiveness, defense
Weaknesses: shooting, lack of strength
Ability      B-
Potential  B

5. Jayson Tatum 16.8 POINTS 7.3 REBOUNDS 2.1 ASSISTS

Very similar player like Jackson in his body being 6'8 and his stats being also similar. But as to their game, they have diffrences. Tatum is more raw than Jackson. Jackson is better leader and more nba ready and Tatum is a project. I believe that Tatum is one of the most talented guys on this draft with biggest potential, but also guy that needs time to develop. Right now he is average shooter, average defender... It's hard to find weaknesses for this guy. I believe if he ends up with a team that develops him the right way he will became a superstar. I believe in his talent and potential.

Strengths: size, ability to score, potential
Weaknesses: not nba ready
Ability:    C+
Potential  A

6. Jonathan Isaac 12.0 POINTS 7.8 REBOUNDS 1.2 ASSISTS

He doesn't have great numbers like the others and maybe he is the most raw talent here. At 6'11 with 7'1 wingspan posibilities are limitless for this guy. We all can agree that he is not nba ready but what a talent. He might be the next Antetokounmpo. I believe Isaac is high risk high reward type of prospect. We don't know if he will became great player but i would risk it if i was a GM. And if DA trade down i would like to select Isaac or Tatum. His wingspan gives him potential to became great defender and to block shots and get steals, which he did last year. Offensively his size give him potential to play more positions. But he is far from ready for the nba and still has to find his game. Will he became stretch 4 or scoring 3? We don't know but he is the guy with most potential on this draft.

Strengths: size, wingspan, versatility, potential
Weaknesses: lack of strength, not nba ready, very raw needs time to develop.
Ability:      C-
Potential    A+

These 6 guys are in tier 1 in my opinion. Based on ability or potential. In tier 2 i would probalby place Dennis Smith, Malik Monk, Lauri Markkanen, Bam Adebayo. But if we trade down i would like for us to get a prospect from tier 1. For example Isaac or Tatum and not trade down too much. Tier 2 is a group of solid prospects who will became solid players but probably not stars.

Players ranked from tier 1 based on abitility: 1.Fultz, 2.Jackson, 3.Ball, 4.Fox, 5.Tatum, 6.Isaac
Players ranked based on potential: 1. Isaac,2. Fultz,3. Tatum, 4.Jackson,5. Ball, 6. Fox
« Last Edit: June 04, 2017, 07:56:06 PM by vgulab »

Re: My take on this year draft best prospects
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2017, 07:50:01 PM »

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Don't see where the A+ potential for Isaac comes from.

Also not sure where you got the 7'3" wingspan for Isaac from

Re: My take on this year draft best prospects
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2017, 07:55:44 PM »

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Don't see where the A+ potential for Isaac comes from.

Also not sure where you got the 7'3" wingspan for Isaac from

I thought i have read somewhere 7'3 but i checked and it's 7'1. I will change that.

And for his potential. It's my personal opinion. He has the tools to became great player. Defensively maybe to a Kirilenko level and offensively maybe Rashard Lewis if he continue to improve his shooting, or if he plays more inside and put on some weight, than maybe he will became young KG.

Re: My take on this year draft best prospects
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2017, 07:56:24 PM »

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Unique situation for Celtics fans this year. We have top pick and we are considering the best prospects in this draft. Scouts say it's really strong draft, which means there might be a superstar coming out of this draft. I believe that no team should trade the number 1 pick ever, and probably the only player for whom i would consider trading is Anthony Davis but that's not happening. But lately i've changed my mind about that, listening to DA talking about how many calls he is getting about the pick and that he is exploring every option, i came to conclusion that another option is trading down. C's looking at Isaac and Smith who are top 10 picks but not a posibility for number 1 make me think that maybe trading down is really going to happen. So i watched some youtube videos and read stuff about the prospects, analyse stats.... And he is my analyses about the top prospects.

1. Markelle Fultz 23.2 POINTS 5.7 REBOUNDS 5.9 ASSISTS

I agree that Fultz is the best player from this draft. He is nba ready now at the age of 19 and also i think he has the biggest potential. But will he became a top 5 player in this league and potential mvp candidate? Or he will became borderline allstar who will be a star on the team and score a bunch of points but wouldn't bring a title here? I can't answer that. I'm not sure about that but probably of all the players on this draft he has the biggest chance to became a superstar.
He is a combo guard. Prefers to play the PG position and has the ball in his hands but he is also very good as a off ball player at the SG position. He also has an nba body and standing at 6'4 with 6'9 wingspan he can play more postions. He is a versatile scorer, able to score diffrently. He can shoot off ball, he can create his own shot, he can drive, he can get to FT line... Also solid passer and scorer. His defense is not great, but his wingspan is giving him ability to became really good defensive player...if he is willing to.  The kid is already really good player but he probably needs to develop leadership skills because he is a  quiet kid. From his stats as a weakness i could see his FT% at only 65%. Biggest adventige is that he is type of a player that can fit in every system.

Strengths: creating his own shot, getting to the FT line, driving to the rim, shooting, versatility, nba ready, wingspan
Weaknesses: FT % , defense, lack of leadership
Ability:    B+
Potential: A

2. Lonzo Ball 14.6 POINTS 6.0 REBOUNDS 7.6 ASSISTS

Probably most of Celtics fans already hate this kid mainly because of his father. And you are right, his father who thinks only for money, is probably hurting his son chances of a top pick. He declined to workout for Boston, he plan to workout for the Lakers but from what we are hearing they are not sold on his and might not select him, than 76ers really liking Josh Jackson....who knows what will happen. But as a player Ball is a unique player. He is 6'6 but he is PG and nothing else. Great court vision, great passes, smart point guard and also solid defensive player. He has ugly release form but he has solid shooting %. He doesn't take to many shots, he plays the game like a old fashion point guard- pass first. This is and era of a score first PG's and Ball is not that kind of a player. So to me is a disadvantige because with his kind of a game he can't fit in every system. He can't play for every coach. That's just my opinion. So size and passing make him really good prospect and looks like he doesn't have weaknesess except his lack of versatility. But except for his passing he is not great in anything else.

Strengths: passing, size, good rebounder for his position, basketball IQ
Weaknesses: lack of aggression, lack of attacking the rim resulting in not getting FT, despite his 6'6 frame he is not versatile enough to play more positions.
Ability:   B
Potential B+

3. Josh Jackson 16.3 POINTS 7.4 REBOUNDS 3.0 ASSISTS

He is guy that 76ers really like and plan to select. Probably a player with less weaknesses than other prospects. He is a 6'8 small forward who is all around and plays both ends of the floor. Great defensive player, they compare him with Leonard defensively. He get steals, blocks, rebounds, assists... He is really all around player. He also showed that in need he can be a point forward and score in isolation or create for others. His biggest problem is the shooting. He has very bad shooting %. If he became better shooter he can became the next Leonard. Another problem is his 200 lbs. Not strong enough to play the 4 on small ball which can be usefull for some teams. My opinion is that this guy is already really good player and can contribute from season 1 to the team that selects him.

Strengths: defense, abillity to be a point-forward, good rebounder, smart offensive player when he scores on more ways
Weaknesses: shooting, lack of strength
Ability: B+
Potential A

4. De'Aaron Fox  16.7 POINTS 4.0 REBOUNDS 4.6 ASSISTS

Another point guard. Another solid prospect. More and more teams are liking this guy. What he brings to the table? Speed. He will be on of the fastest guys in nba. He likes to run in transition. Solid all around player who can play defense but also score and pass. But he is doesn't excel in anything except explosiveness. He is skilled and fast, and he uses those things to score and play good defense. I believe his ceiling is starter on a team but not a team leader. In todays nba if the PG can't shoot, that's a problem. And Fox can't really shoot form distance, his 3pt % is 25%. So because of that i believe he will became good player but not a superstar.

Strengths: speed, explosiveness, defense
Weaknesses: shooting, lack of strength
Ability      B-
Potential  B

5. Jayson Tatum 16.8 POINTS 7.3 REBOUNDS 2.1 ASSISTS

Very similar player like Jackson in his body being 6'8 and his stats being also similar. But as to their game, they have diffrences. Tatum is more raw than Jackson. Jackson is better leader and more nba ready and Tatum is a project. I believe that Tatum is one of the most talented guys on this draft with biggest potential, but also guy that needs time to develop. Right now he is average shooter, average defender... It's hard to find weaknesses for this guy. I believe if he ends up with a team that develops him the right way he will became a superstar. I believe in his talent and potential.

Strengths: size, ability to score, potential
Weaknesses: not nba ready
Ability:    C+
Potential  A

6. Jonathan Isaac 12.0 POINTS 7.8 REBOUNDS 1.2 ASSISTS

He doesn't have great numbers like the others and maybe he is the most raw talent here. At 6'11 with 7'3 wingspan posibilities are limitless for this guy. We all can agree that he is not nba ready but what a talent. He might be the next Antetokounmpo. I believe Isaac is high risk high reward type of prospect. We don't know if he will became great player but i would risk it if i was a GM. And if DA trade down i would like to select Isaac or Tatum. His wingspan gives him potential to became great defender and to block shots and get steals, which he did last year. Offensively his size give him potential to play more positions. But he is far from ready for the nba and still has to find his game. Will he became stretch 4 or scoring 3? We don't know but he is the guy with most potential on this draft.

Strengths: size, wingspan, versatility, potential
Weaknesses: lack of strength, not nba ready, very raw needs time to develop.
Ability:      C-
Potential    A+

These 6 guys are in tier 1 in my opinion. Based on ability or potential. In tier 2 i would probalby place Dennis Smith, Malik Monk, Lauri Markkanen, Bam Adebayo. But if we trade down i would like for us to get a prospect from tier 1. For example Isaac or Tatum and not trade down too much. Tier 2 is a group of solid prospects who will became solid players but probably not stars.

Players ranked from tier 1 based on abitility: 1.Fultz, 2.Jackson, 3.Ball, 4.Fox, 5.Tatum, 6.Isaac
Players ranked based on potential: 1. Isaac,2. Fultz,3. Tatum, 4.Jackson,5. Ball, 6. Fox

I agree with some of your assessments..

but you can't say one of Fultz weakness is defense and he is also nba ready

doesn't mix

Potential wise Jackson has one of the highest ceiling imo. (along with Fultz)

physical tools/explosiveness usually can't be developed. If Jackson can ever get that jump shot to become consistent..  he will be a better version of Andrew Wiggins.    Same can be said about Fultz if he can learn to play strong consistent defense

Re: My take on this year draft best prospects
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2017, 08:00:39 PM »

Offline vgulab

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Unique situation for Celtics fans this year. We have top pick and we are considering the best prospects in this draft. Scouts say it's really strong draft, which means there might be a superstar coming out of this draft. I believe that no team should trade the number 1 pick ever, and probably the only player for whom i would consider trading is Anthony Davis but that's not happening. But lately i've changed my mind about that, listening to DA talking about how many calls he is getting about the pick and that he is exploring every option, i came to conclusion that another option is trading down. C's looking at Isaac and Smith who are top 10 picks but not a posibility for number 1 make me think that maybe trading down is really going to happen. So i watched some youtube videos and read stuff about the prospects, analyse stats.... And he is my analyses about the top prospects.

1. Markelle Fultz 23.2 POINTS 5.7 REBOUNDS 5.9 ASSISTS

I agree that Fultz is the best player from this draft. He is nba ready now at the age of 19 and also i think he has the biggest potential. But will he became a top 5 player in this league and potential mvp candidate? Or he will became borderline allstar who will be a star on the team and score a bunch of points but wouldn't bring a title here? I can't answer that. I'm not sure about that but probably of all the players on this draft he has the biggest chance to became a superstar.
He is a combo guard. Prefers to play the PG position and has the ball in his hands but he is also very good as a off ball player at the SG position. He also has an nba body and standing at 6'4 with 6'9 wingspan he can play more postions. He is a versatile scorer, able to score diffrently. He can shoot off ball, he can create his own shot, he can drive, he can get to FT line... Also solid passer and scorer. His defense is not great, but his wingspan is giving him ability to became really good defensive player...if he is willing to.  The kid is already really good player but he probably needs to develop leadership skills because he is a  quiet kid. From his stats as a weakness i could see his FT% at only 65%. Biggest adventige is that he is type of a player that can fit in every system.

Strengths: creating his own shot, getting to the FT line, driving to the rim, shooting, versatility, nba ready, wingspan
Weaknesses: FT % , defense, lack of leadership
Ability:    B+
Potential: A

2. Lonzo Ball 14.6 POINTS 6.0 REBOUNDS 7.6 ASSISTS

Probably most of Celtics fans already hate this kid mainly because of his father. And you are right, his father who thinks only for money, is probably hurting his son chances of a top pick. He declined to workout for Boston, he plan to workout for the Lakers but from what we are hearing they are not sold on his and might not select him, than 76ers really liking Josh Jackson....who knows what will happen. But as a player Ball is a unique player. He is 6'6 but he is PG and nothing else. Great court vision, great passes, smart point guard and also solid defensive player. He has ugly release form but he has solid shooting %. He doesn't take to many shots, he plays the game like a old fashion point guard- pass first. This is and era of a score first PG's and Ball is not that kind of a player. So to me is a disadvantige because with his kind of a game he can't fit in every system. He can't play for every coach. That's just my opinion. So size and passing make him really good prospect and looks like he doesn't have weaknesess except his lack of versatility. But except for his passing he is not great in anything else.

Strengths: passing, size, good rebounder for his position, basketball IQ
Weaknesses: lack of aggression, lack of attacking the rim resulting in not getting FT, despite his 6'6 frame he is not versatile enough to play more positions.
Ability:   B
Potential B+

3. Josh Jackson 16.3 POINTS 7.4 REBOUNDS 3.0 ASSISTS

He is guy that 76ers really like and plan to select. Probably a player with less weaknesses than other prospects. He is a 6'8 small forward who is all around and plays both ends of the floor. Great defensive player, they compare him with Leonard defensively. He get steals, blocks, rebounds, assists... He is really all around player. He also showed that in need he can be a point forward and score in isolation or create for others. His biggest problem is the shooting. He has very bad shooting %. If he became better shooter he can became the next Leonard. Another problem is his 200 lbs. Not strong enough to play the 4 on small ball which can be usefull for some teams. My opinion is that this guy is already really good player and can contribute from season 1 to the team that selects him.

Strengths: defense, abillity to be a point-forward, good rebounder, smart offensive player when he scores on more ways
Weaknesses: shooting, lack of strength
Ability: B+
Potential A

4. De'Aaron Fox  16.7 POINTS 4.0 REBOUNDS 4.6 ASSISTS

Another point guard. Another solid prospect. More and more teams are liking this guy. What he brings to the table? Speed. He will be on of the fastest guys in nba. He likes to run in transition. Solid all around player who can play defense but also score and pass. But he is doesn't excel in anything except explosiveness. He is skilled and fast, and he uses those things to score and play good defense. I believe his ceiling is starter on a team but not a team leader. In todays nba if the PG can't shoot, that's a problem. And Fox can't really shoot form distance, his 3pt % is 25%. So because of that i believe he will became good player but not a superstar.

Strengths: speed, explosiveness, defense
Weaknesses: shooting, lack of strength
Ability      B-
Potential  B

5. Jayson Tatum 16.8 POINTS 7.3 REBOUNDS 2.1 ASSISTS

Very similar player like Jackson in his body being 6'8 and his stats being also similar. But as to their game, they have diffrences. Tatum is more raw than Jackson. Jackson is better leader and more nba ready and Tatum is a project. I believe that Tatum is one of the most talented guys on this draft with biggest potential, but also guy that needs time to develop. Right now he is average shooter, average defender... It's hard to find weaknesses for this guy. I believe if he ends up with a team that develops him the right way he will became a superstar. I believe in his talent and potential.

Strengths: size, ability to score, potential
Weaknesses: not nba ready
Ability:    C+
Potential  A

6. Jonathan Isaac 12.0 POINTS 7.8 REBOUNDS 1.2 ASSISTS

He doesn't have great numbers like the others and maybe he is the most raw talent here. At 6'11 with 7'3 wingspan posibilities are limitless for this guy. We all can agree that he is not nba ready but what a talent. He might be the next Antetokounmpo. I believe Isaac is high risk high reward type of prospect. We don't know if he will became great player but i would risk it if i was a GM. And if DA trade down i would like to select Isaac or Tatum. His wingspan gives him potential to became great defender and to block shots and get steals, which he did last year. Offensively his size give him potential to play more positions. But he is far from ready for the nba and still has to find his game. Will he became stretch 4 or scoring 3? We don't know but he is the guy with most potential on this draft.

Strengths: size, wingspan, versatility, potential
Weaknesses: lack of strength, not nba ready, very raw needs time to develop.
Ability:      C-
Potential    A+

These 6 guys are in tier 1 in my opinion. Based on ability or potential. In tier 2 i would probalby place Dennis Smith, Malik Monk, Lauri Markkanen, Bam Adebayo. But if we trade down i would like for us to get a prospect from tier 1. For example Isaac or Tatum and not trade down too much. Tier 2 is a group of solid prospects who will became solid players but probably not stars.

Players ranked from tier 1 based on abitility: 1.Fultz, 2.Jackson, 3.Ball, 4.Fox, 5.Tatum, 6.Isaac
Players ranked based on potential: 1. Isaac,2. Fultz,3. Tatum, 4.Jackson,5. Ball, 6. Fox

I agree with some of your assessments..

but you can't say one of Fultz weakness is defense and he is also nba ready

doesn't mix

Potential wise Jackson has one of the highest ceiling imo. (along with Fultz)

physical tools/explosiveness usually can't be developed. If Jackson can ever get that jump shot to become consistent..  he will be a better version of Andrew Wiggins.    Same can be said about Fultz if he can learn to play strong consistent defense

Fultz body is nba ready and he has tools to play defense, like size and wingspan but last year he didn't show great defensive performances.

and for Jackson i agree with you, great prospect and will not slide down, i believe he is a lock top 3 pick