NBA Finals 2016-2017 thread

[hodgy03038]

Sounds like Pachulia might get suspended for game 5. Interestingly enough,Korver's headlock takedown of Zaza, which caused the whole mess, is ignored thus far.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2714863-zaza-pachulia-throws-punches-at-iman-shumperts-groin-in-game-4-scuffle?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

What headlock are you talking about? You are fabricating that. Please tell me at what part of the video you see a headlock?

This photo appears that Zaza has Korver in a headlock - not the other way around. Oh I get it. You mean Korver allowed his head to be put in a headlock and then threw his head to the floor to take down Zaza. Now it's making sense.

[hpantazo]

Sounds like Pachulia might get suspended for game 5. Interestingly enough,Korver's headlock takedown of Zaza, which caused the whole mess, is ignored thus far.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2714863-zaza-pachulia-throws-punches-at-iman-shumperts-groin-in-game-4-scuffle?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

What headlock are you talking about? You are fabricating that. Please tell me at what part of the video you see a headlock?

This photo appears that Zaza has Korver in a headlock - not the other way around.

Maybe you  should actually watch the beginning of the video when Korver took Pachulia down, a foul that was not called by the officials, that resulted in the rest of the mess that followed.

I'm not a fan of Pachulia, but the officials missing calls caused the game to get out of hand, and they often missed them in one direction last night.

[hodgy03038]

I watched the video MANY TIMES and NEVER, NOT ONCE did Korver ever have Zaza in a headlock. Yes the game was getting out of hand and yes the refs were terrible, especially on this play where Zaza should have received a flagrant foul.

[Roy H.]

I didn't see a headlock. Korver was repeatedly swatting at the ball, and at one point he had his arm on Zaza's chest as Zaza went down / rolled over.

[hpantazo]

I didn't see a headlock. Korver was repeatedly swatting at the ball, and then Zaza went down / rolled over.

Korver took down Pachulia , that was pretty clear in the video. It was not a flagrant or anything, but it was a foul that was missed. The play should have stopped there.

Overall, that was one of the worst officiated games I have seen in my 25 or so years of watching NBA basketball. The officials went out of their way to give Cleveland the win, and by doing so they let the game get out of hand.

[saltlover]

I didn't see a headlock. Korver was repeatedly swatting at the ball, and then Zaza went down / rolled over.

Korver took down Pachulia , that was pretty clear in the video. It was not a flagrant or anything, but it was a foul that was missed. The play should have stopped there.

Overall, that was one of the worst officiated games I have seen in my 25 or so years of watching NBA basketball. The officials went out of their way to give Cleveland the win, and by doing so they let the game get out of hand.

Yeah, as well as Cleveland was shooting I think they'd have won with neutral officiating, but it felt like they weren't even trying to hide it.

[hpantazo]

I didn't see a headlock. Korver was repeatedly swatting at the ball, and then Zaza went down / rolled over.

Korver took down Pachulia , that was pretty clear in the video. It was not a flagrant or anything, but it was a foul that was missed. The play should have stopped there.

Overall, that was one of the worst officiated games I have seen in my 25 or so years of watching NBA basketball. The officials went out of their way to give Cleveland the win, and by doing so they let the game get out of hand.

Yeah, as well as Cleveland was shooting I think they'd have won with neutral officiating, but it felt like they weren't even trying to hide it.

I agree, and that's the sad part. Cleveland could have won the game without the officiating help.

[SparzWizard]

Hopefully this sets the Warriors back. Hate that punk Zaza

[hodgy03038]

I didn't see a headlock. Korver was repeatedly swatting at the ball, and then Zaza went down / rolled over.

Korver took down Pachulia , that was pretty clear in the video. It was not a flagrant or anything, but it was a foul that was missed. The play should have stopped there.

Overall, that was one of the worst officiated games I have seen in my 25 or so years of watching NBA basketball. The officials went out of their way to give Cleveland the win, and by doing so they let the game get out of hand.

Yeah, as well as Cleveland was shooting I think they'd have won with neutral officiating, but it felt like they weren't even trying to hide it.

I agree, and that's the sad part. Cleveland could have won the game without the officiating help.

That's funny. I totally saw it the other way. GSW got away with a lot. They get the bogus 3 foul shots on one end with the knee graze on the 3 point shot. Yet on the other end I think it was Kyrie clearly got knocked down taking a 3 and no call. I cannot believe how Draymond Green on every foul can flail his arms - point at the ref - put his arms in the air and throw a fit on every call. Can you imagine if Marcus did that or better yet Demarcus Cousins? They would be kicked out of every game. That's what should happen to Draymond. Just because he does it every game they let him get away with it more often than not. It is not right.

I don't care what anyone says Zaza is a dirty player. He intentionally took out Kawhi and he does these little things (and always has) and is great at making them look like unintentional accidents but he is so good at it. I don't know if you recall when LeBron came up limping a bit after a play. Guess who? Yup- Zaza. Another accident. Unfortunate for Zaza is that LeBron is titanium and doesn't get hurt.

I see GSW winning in 5 now but the next game will probably be a blood bath.

[hpantazo]

I didn't see a headlock. Korver was repeatedly swatting at the ball, and then Zaza went down / rolled over.

Korver took down Pachulia , that was pretty clear in the video. It was not a flagrant or anything, but it was a foul that was missed. The play should have stopped there.

Overall, that was one of the worst officiated games I have seen in my 25 or so years of watching NBA basketball. The officials went out of their way to give Cleveland the win, and by doing so they let the game get out of hand.

Yeah, as well as Cleveland was shooting I think they'd have won with neutral officiating, but it felt like they weren't even trying to hide it.

I agree, and that's the sad part. Cleveland could have won the game without the officiating help.

That's funny. I totally saw it the other way. GSW got away with a lot. They get the bogus 3 foul shots on one end with the knee graze on the 3 point shot. Yet on the other end I think it was Kyrie clearly got knocked down taking a 3 and no call. I cannot believe how Draymond Green on every foul can flail his arms - point at the ref - put his arms in the air and throw a fit on every call. Can you imagine if Marcus did that or better yet Demarcus Cousins? They would be kicked out of every game. That's what should happen to Draymond. Just because he does it every game they let him get away with it more often than not. It is not right.

I don't care what anyone says Zaza is a dirty player. He intentionally took out Kawhi and he does these little things (and always has) and is great at making them look like unintentional accidents but he is so good at it. I don't know if you recall when LeBron came up limping a bit after a play. Guess who? Yup- Zaza. Another accident. Unfortunate for Zaza is that LeBron is titanium and doesn't get hurt.

I see GSW winning in 5 now but the next game will probably be a blood bath.

I think you allowed your bias to cloud your judgement on what is widely regarded as one of the most biased officiating displays in NBA history, in favor of the Cavs. NBA players who are not part of this series posted on twitter that it was egregiously blatant officiating bias by the NBA in an attempt to extend the series.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I didn't see a headlock. Korver was repeatedly swatting at the ball, and then Zaza went down / rolled over.

Korver took down Pachulia , that was pretty clear in the video. It was not a flagrant or anything, but it was a foul that was missed. The play should have stopped there.

Overall, that was one of the worst officiated games I have seen in my 25 or so years of watching NBA basketball. The officials went out of their way to give Cleveland the win, and by doing so they let the game get out of hand.

Correct.  You can clearly see hacks at 7, 8, and 9 sec... at 10 sec Korver pulls him down aggressively.  Korver removes any doubt about whether Zaza may have fallen that hard on his own when he continues to hack once Zaza is down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThDQpbOupOc

This is even clearer on replay (~54 sec).  Shumpert's blatantly fouling Zaza a good 3 secs after the play as well.

[hodgy03038]

I didn't see a headlock. Korver was repeatedly swatting at the ball, and then Zaza went down / rolled over.

Korver took down Pachulia , that was pretty clear in the video. It was not a flagrant or anything, but it was a foul that was missed. The play should have stopped there.

Overall, that was one of the worst officiated games I have seen in my 25 or so years of watching NBA basketball. The officials went out of their way to give Cleveland the win, and by doing so they let the game get out of hand.

Yeah, as well as Cleveland was shooting I think they'd have won with neutral officiating, but it felt like they weren't even trying to hide it.

I agree, and that's the sad part. Cleveland could have won the game without the officiating help.

That's funny. I totally saw it the other way. GSW got away with a lot. They get the bogus 3 foul shots on one end with the knee graze on the 3 point shot. Yet on the other end I think it was Kyrie clearly got knocked down taking a 3 and no call. I cannot believe how Draymond Green on every foul can flail his arms - point at the ref - put his arms in the air and throw a fit on every call. Can you imagine if Marcus did that or better yet Demarcus Cousins? They would be kicked out of every game. That's what should happen to Draymond. Just because he does it every game they let him get away with it more often than not. It is not right.

I don't care what anyone says Zaza is a dirty player. He intentionally took out Kawhi and he does these little things (and always has) and is great at making them look like unintentional accidents but he is so good at it. I don't know if you recall when LeBron came up limping a bit after a play. Guess who? Yup- Zaza. Another accident. Unfortunate for Zaza is that LeBron is titanium and doesn't get hurt.

I see GSW winning in 5 now but the next game will probably be a blood bath.

I think you allowed your bias to cloud your judgement on what is widely regarded as one of the most biased officiating displays in NBA history, in favor of the Cavs. NBA players who are not part of this series posted on twitter that it was egregiously blatant officiating bias by the NBA in an attempt to extend the series.

You are calling me biased? That is hilarious based on your fabricated description of Korver putting Zaza in a headlock and taking him to the floor. Did these same NBA players you cite also agree with your view of the Zaza play?

[hpantazo]

I didn't see a headlock. Korver was repeatedly swatting at the ball, and then Zaza went down / rolled over.

Korver took down Pachulia , that was pretty clear in the video. It was not a flagrant or anything, but it was a foul that was missed. The play should have stopped there.

Overall, that was one of the worst officiated games I have seen in my 25 or so years of watching NBA basketball. The officials went out of their way to give Cleveland the win, and by doing so they let the game get out of hand.

Correct.  You can clearly see hacks at 7, 8, and 9 sec... at 10 sec Korver pulls him down aggressively.  Korver removes any doubt about whether Zaza may have fallen that hard on his own when he continues to hack once Zaza is down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThDQpbOupOc

This is even clearer on replay (~54 sec).  Shumpert's blatantly fouling Zaza a good 3 secs after the play as well.

Exactly. Thank you for pointing out what I was trying to say, TP.

[RockinRyA]

I didn't see a headlock. Korver was repeatedly swatting at the ball, and then Zaza went down / rolled over.

Korver took down Pachulia , that was pretty clear in the video. It was not a flagrant or anything, but it was a foul that was missed. The play should have stopped there.

Overall, that was one of the worst officiated games I have seen in my 25 or so years of watching NBA basketball. The officials went out of their way to give Cleveland the win, and by doing so they let the game get out of hand.

Yeah, as well as Cleveland was shooting I think they'd have won with neutral officiating, but it felt like they weren't even trying to hide it.

I agree, and that's the sad part. Cleveland could have won the game without the officiating help.

That's funny. I totally saw it the other way. GSW got away with a lot. They get the bogus 3 foul shots on one end with the knee graze on the 3 point shot. Yet on the other end I think it was Kyrie clearly got knocked down taking a 3 and no call. I cannot believe how Draymond Green on every foul can flail his arms - point at the ref - put his arms in the air and throw a fit on every call. Can you imagine if Marcus did that or better yet Demarcus Cousins? They would be kicked out of every game. That's what should happen to Draymond. Just because he does it every game they let him get away with it more often than not. It is not right.

I don't care what anyone says Zaza is a dirty player. He intentionally took out Kawhi and he does these little things (and always has) and is great at making them look like unintentional accidents but he is so good at it. I don't know if you recall when LeBron came up limping a bit after a play. Guess who? Yup- Zaza. Another accident. Unfortunate for Zaza is that LeBron is titanium and doesn't get hurt.

I see GSW winning in 5 now but the next game will probably be a blood bath.

I think you allowed your bias to cloud your judgement on what is widely regarded as one of the most biased officiating displays in NBA history, in favor of the Cavs. NBA players who are not part of this series posted on twitter that it was egregiously blatant officiating bias by the NBA in an attempt to extend the series.

You are calling me biased? That is hilarious based on your fabricated description of Korver putting Zaza in a headlock and taking him to the floor. Did these same NBA players you cite also agree with your view of the Zaza play?

It is clear you are biased. Aside from these uninvolved players, several of my Cavs friends admitted the calls largely favored them, and most of my neutral friend on FB reacted to the officiating.

[hodgy03038]

I didn't see a headlock. Korver was repeatedly swatting at the ball, and then Zaza went down / rolled over.

Korver took down Pachulia , that was pretty clear in the video. It was not a flagrant or anything, but it was a foul that was missed. The play should have stopped there.

Overall, that was one of the worst officiated games I have seen in my 25 or so years of watching NBA basketball. The officials went out of their way to give Cleveland the win, and by doing so they let the game get out of hand.

Yeah, as well as Cleveland was shooting I think they'd have won with neutral officiating, but it felt like they weren't even trying to hide it.

I agree, and that's the sad part. Cleveland could have won the game without the officiating help.

That's funny. I totally saw it the other way. GSW got away with a lot. They get the bogus 3 foul shots on one end with the knee graze on the 3 point shot. Yet on the other end I think it was Kyrie clearly got knocked down taking a 3 and no call. I cannot believe how Draymond Green on every foul can flail his arms - point at the ref - put his arms in the air and throw a fit on every call. Can you imagine if Marcus did that or better yet Demarcus Cousins? They would be kicked out of every game. That's what should happen to Draymond. Just because he does it every game they let him get away with it more often than not. It is not right.

I don't care what anyone says Zaza is a dirty player. He intentionally took out Kawhi and he does these little things (and always has) and is great at making them look like unintentional accidents but he is so good at it. I don't know if you recall when LeBron came up limping a bit after a play. Guess who? Yup- Zaza. Another accident. Unfortunate for Zaza is that LeBron is titanium and doesn't get hurt.

I see GSW winning in 5 now but the next game will probably be a blood bath.

I think you allowed your bias to cloud your judgement on what is widely regarded as one of the most biased officiating displays in NBA history, in favor of the Cavs. NBA players who are not part of this series posted on twitter that it was egregiously blatant officiating bias by the NBA in an attempt to extend the series.

You are calling me biased? That is hilarious based on your fabricated description of Korver putting Zaza in a headlock and taking him to the floor. Did these same NBA players you cite also agree with your view of the Zaza play?

It is clear you are biased. Aside from these uninvolved players, several of my Cavs friends admitted the calls largely favored them, and most of my neutral friend on FB reacted to the officiating.

How can I argue with that?