No way i will choose Fox(+saric) over Fulz

[jbpats]

The problem with the trade is the Lakers pick.   If they just draft a player and roll with it, it is fine.


If the Lakers find a way to make a trade for George, well, that pick may be less attractive.

I think this is another scenario we would have to assume would not happen. The Lakers are under the assumption George is coming there in FA, so why would they give up valuable assets for him in a trade.
The only scenario where the Lakers would be concerned that they might not get George is if we trade for him (under the assumption he signs an extension) so in theory that would eliminate this whole conversation all together since a trade would likely cost us the #1.

[TheSundanceKid]

Is this even a question? I mean, who in his right mind trades #1 for #3+Saric??

There's an article on sixers sense that suggests a trade of #1 for #3, Saric and Lakers 18. I'm guessing that is where this thread is coming from

You ABSOLUTELY trade Fultz for the #3, Saric and the Lakers 2018 pick.. but you don't take Fox at #3 you take Jackson.
I personally think Jackson is the best player in this years draft, you then add Saric who fills a major hole on our team and have a chance at 2 top 5 picks in next years draft (Brooklyn and Lakers).
Fultz has potential to be a stud don't get me wrong, but we are saturated at guard. You make this trade if you are Ainge.

Yeah that's pretty much where I come from. You want BPA but to me that could well be Tatum or Jackson. You have a team in the sixers desperate for someone like Fultz. I think it's fair for both teams.

I think the Lakers want cap space in 2018 so I don't think they end up too good next year

[tazzmaniac]

The problem with the trade is the Lakers pick.   If they just draft a player and roll with it, it is fine.


If the Lakers find a way to make a trade for George, well, that pick may be less attractive.

They're not going to trade for George unless they acquire another star first.  It would be hard to trade for another star and George.  Maybe if they picked up Griffin in free agency. 

[Jvalin]

Is this even a question? I mean, who in his right mind trades #1 for #3+Saric??

There's an article on sixers sense that suggests a trade of #1 for #3, Saric and Lakers 18. I'm guessing that is where this thread is coming from

You ABSOLUTELY trade Fultz for the #3, Saric and the Lakers 2018 pick.. but you don't take Fox at #3 you take Jackson.
I personally think Jackson is the best player in this years draft, you then add Saric who fills a major hole on our team and have a chance at 2 top 5 picks in next years draft (Brooklyn and Lakers).
Fultz has potential to be a stud don't get me wrong, but we are saturated at guard. You make this trade if you are Ainge.

Don't see the Lakers 2018 pick ending up in the top 5. The Lakers will have zero incentive to lose games next season, much less if they know that their pick is going to the Celtics.

Ball - Clarkson
Russell
Ingram
Randle - Nance Jr.
Zubac

That's not a bad team. Add a couple of veterans to that group and they 'll be OK.

Magic has gone on record saying they are not going after any free agents this off season. I don't see Ball making them that much better then last season, so the Lakers are essentially going into next season with the same team + Ball, to me that is a bottom feeder.
Phx, Brooklyn, Sacremento, Lakers, Orlando are my expected 5 worse teams next season. Maybe you put Dallas in the conversation?

I meant Mozgov + Deng + vet minimum guys

[tazzmaniac]

Is this even a question? I mean, who in his right mind trades #1 for #3+Saric??

There's an article on sixers sense that suggests a trade of #1 for #3, Saric and Lakers 18. I'm guessing that is where this thread is coming from

You ABSOLUTELY trade Fultz for the #3, Saric and the Lakers 2018 pick.. but you don't take Fox at #3 you take Jackson.
I personally think Jackson is the best player in this years draft, you then add Saric who fills a major hole on our team and have a chance at 2 top 5 picks in next years draft (Brooklyn and Lakers).
Fultz has potential to be a stud don't get me wrong, but we are saturated at guard. You make this trade if you are Ainge.

Don't see the Lakers 2018 pick ending up in the top 5. The Lakers will have zero incentive to lose games next season, much less if they know that their pick is going to the Celtics.

Ball - Clarkson
Russell
Ingram
Randle - Nance Jr.
Zubac

That's not a bad team. Add a couple of veterans to that group (Mozgov - Deng) and they 'll be OK.

That's a bad team.  The Lakers were the worst defensive team this season and that team would be so next season.  Lou Williams and Nick Young were their best players this season.  Williams is already gone and Young probably won't be resigned.  Their rookies would have to take massive jumps not to be a bad team. 

In order to maximize the trade, I'd make it where we got the best of the Lakers and Sixers picks next season.     

[Jvalin]

Is this even a question? I mean, who in his right mind trades #1 for #3+Saric??

There's an article on sixers sense that suggests a trade of #1 for #3, Saric and Lakers 18. I'm guessing that is where this thread is coming from

You ABSOLUTELY trade Fultz for the #3, Saric and the Lakers 2018 pick.. but you don't take Fox at #3 you take Jackson.
I personally think Jackson is the best player in this years draft, you then add Saric who fills a major hole on our team and have a chance at 2 top 5 picks in next years draft (Brooklyn and Lakers).
Fultz has potential to be a stud don't get me wrong, but we are saturated at guard. You make this trade if you are Ainge.

Don't see the Lakers 2018 pick ending up in the top 5. The Lakers will have zero incentive to lose games next season, much less if they know that their pick is going to the Celtics.

Ball - Clarkson
Russell
Ingram
Randle - Nance Jr.
Zubac

That's not a bad team. Add a couple of veterans to that group (Mozgov - Deng) and they 'll be OK.

That's a bad team.  The Lakers were the worst defensive team this season and that team would be so next season.  Lou Williams and Nick Young were their best players this season.  Williams is already gone and Young probably won't be resigned.  Their rookies would have to take massive jumps not to be a bad team. 

In order to maximize the trade, I'd make it where we got the best of the Lakers and Sixers picks next season.   

Thing is, they wanted to lose games this season. They were tanking hard cause they were in danger of losing both this year's pick and their 2019 pick as well to Orlando. This won't be the case next season, much less if they know for a fact that their pick is going to the C's.

[slamtheking]

#1 for Saric, #3 and Laker 2018 pick doesn't seem like enough.  That Sac pick for 2019 would be of interest or make it Simmons and the #3.

I can't see the Lakers wanting to continue to bottom out since they're losing they're pick next year anyway.  they may still be a lottery team but not near the worst of the bunch.  also, that gives us 3 first rounders next year.  do we really need that many?

[Smokeeye123]

Is this even a question? I mean, who in his right mind trades #1 for #3+Saric??

There's an article on sixers sense that suggests a trade of #1 for #3, Saric and Lakers 18. I'm guessing that is where this thread is coming from

That seems like a fair value trade..

I'd still just draft Fultz but if Ainge is low on him for some reason and high on Jackson/Tatum this is a good trade...

[Celtics18]

Is this even a question? I mean, who in his right mind trades #1 for #3+Saric??

There's an article on sixers sense that suggests a trade of #1 for #3, Saric and Lakers 18. I'm guessing that is where this thread is coming from

You ABSOLUTELY trade Fultz for the #3, Saric and the Lakers 2018 pick.. but you don't take Fox at #3 you take Jackson.
I personally think Jackson is the best player in this years draft, you then add Saric who fills a major hole on our team and have a chance at 2 top 5 picks in next years draft (Brooklyn and Lakers).
Fultz has potential to be a stud don't get me wrong, but we are saturated at guard. You make this trade if you are Ainge.

Yup. 

[droopdog7]

Is this even a question? I mean, who in his right mind trades #1 for #3+Saric??

There's an article on sixers sense that suggests a trade of #1 for #3, Saric and Lakers 18. I'm guessing that is where this thread is coming from

You ABSOLUTELY trade Fultz for the #3, Saric and the Lakers 2018 pick.. but you don't take Fox at #3 you take Jackson.
I personally think Jackson is the best player in this years draft, you then add Saric who fills a major hole on our team and have a chance at 2 top 5 picks in next years draft (Brooklyn and Lakers).
Fultz has potential to be a stud don't get me wrong, but we are saturated at guard. You make this trade if you are Ainge.

Yup.

Nope. 

Here's the thing; the consensus is that Fultz is the best player and has the potential to be a star.  If DA agree with that, then you don't pass unless you're getting a guaranteed star in return.  That's not Saric, that's not the #3 (more on that below), and that's not future picks.  No amount of good to very good players equals a star.  Plain and simple.

As for the #3 pick this year, there are legitimate question marks about everyone past Fultz.  Ball?  His offense will never be anything more than mediocre and his defense may be worse.  He could potentially max out at a Jason Kidd type but he could also be no more than Shaun Livingston. 

Jackson?  Love the tenacity.  Definitely a glue guy that any team would love to have.  Could fit seamlessly onto any team because he doesn't demand the ball, plays great defense, and is an underrated and willing passer.  He could be a star glue guy but that's not the same as a star.  I think he can be the next Shawn Marion.  But Shawn Marion isn't taking you to the title.

Tatum?  Advanced offensive player with limited athleticism and questions about his defense.  Can be a bit of a black hole and still needs to develop NBA range.  Can he be a very good and effective player?  Can he be a true star?  Maybe.

Obviously it comes down to the evaluation of Fultz.  But to me, he's the guy with the highest ceiling AND the highest floor.  Just can't pass up on him for a few good players. 

[Celtics18]

Is this even a question? I mean, who in his right mind trades #1 for #3+Saric??

There's an article on sixers sense that suggests a trade of #1 for #3, Saric and Lakers 18. I'm guessing that is where this thread is coming from

You ABSOLUTELY trade Fultz for the #3, Saric and the Lakers 2018 pick.. but you don't take Fox at #3 you take Jackson.
I personally think Jackson is the best player in this years draft, you then add Saric who fills a major hole on our team and have a chance at 2 top 5 picks in next years draft (Brooklyn and Lakers).
Fultz has potential to be a stud don't get me wrong, but we are saturated at guard. You make this trade if you are Ainge.

Yup.

Nope. 

Here's the thing; the consensus is that Fultz is the best player and has the potential to be a star.  If DA agree with that, then you don't pass unless you're getting a guaranteed star in return.  That's not Saric, that's not the #3 (more on that below), and that's not future picks.  No amount of good to very good players equals a star.  Plain and simple.

As for the #3 pick this year, there are legitimate question marks about everyone past Fultz.  Ball?  His offense will never be anything more than mediocre and his defense may be worse.  He could potentially max out at a Jason Kidd type but he could also be no more than Shaun Livingston. 

Jackson?  Love the tenacity.  Definitely a glue guy that any team would love to have.  Could fit seamlessly onto any team because he doesn't demand the ball, plays great defense, and is an underrated and willing passer.  He could be a star glue guy but that's not the same as a star.  I think he can be the next Shawn Marion.  But Shawn Marion isn't taking you to the title.

Tatum?  Advanced offensive player with limited athleticism and questions about his defense.  Can be a bit of a black hole and still needs to develop NBA range.  Can he be a very good and effective player?  Can he be a true star?  Maybe.

Obviously it comes down to the evaluation of Fultz.  But to me, he's the guy with the highest ceiling AND the highest floor.  Just can't pass up on him for a few good players.

I disagree with the consensus.  I believe Josh Jackson will be the best player in this draft class.  There's an ease and a smoothness to his game which I think will translate to the NBA.  Couple that with his tenacity and defensive prowess, and I predict this kid will be a star.

[Who]

Is this even a question? I mean, who in his right mind trades #1 for #3+Saric??

There's an article on sixers sense that suggests a trade of #1 for #3, Saric and Lakers 18. I'm guessing that is where this thread is coming from

You ABSOLUTELY trade Fultz for the #3, Saric and the Lakers 2018 pick.. but you don't take Fox at #3 you take Jackson.
I personally think Jackson is the best player in this years draft, you then add Saric who fills a major hole on our team and have a chance at 2 top 5 picks in next years draft (Brooklyn and Lakers).
Fultz has potential to be a stud don't get me wrong, but we are saturated at guard. You make this trade if you are Ainge.

Yup.

Nope. 

Here's the thing; the consensus is that Fultz is the best player and has the potential to be a star.  If DA agree with that, then you don't pass unless you're getting a guaranteed star in return.  That's not Saric, that's not the #3 (more on that below), and that's not future picks.  No amount of good to very good players equals a star.  Plain and simple.

As for the #3 pick this year, there are legitimate question marks about everyone past Fultz.  Ball?  His offense will never be anything more than mediocre and his defense may be worse.  He could potentially max out at a Jason Kidd type but he could also be no more than Shaun Livingston. 

Jackson?  Love the tenacity.  Definitely a glue guy that any team would love to have.  Could fit seamlessly onto any team because he doesn't demand the ball, plays great defense, and is an underrated and willing passer.  He could be a star glue guy but that's not the same as a star.  I think he can be the next Shawn Marion.  But Shawn Marion isn't taking you to the title.

Tatum?  Advanced offensive player with limited athleticism and questions about his defense.  Can be a bit of a black hole and still needs to develop NBA range.  Can he be a very good and effective player?  Can he be a true star?  Maybe.

Obviously it comes down to the evaluation of Fultz.  But to me, he's the guy with the highest ceiling AND the highest floor.  Just can't pass up on him for a few good players.

The draft looks pretty dodgy after the #1 pick (Fultz).

Glad we are not picking #2-#4 range.

[droopdog7]

Is this even a question? I mean, who in his right mind trades #1 for #3+Saric??

There's an article on sixers sense that suggests a trade of #1 for #3, Saric and Lakers 18. I'm guessing that is where this thread is coming from

You ABSOLUTELY trade Fultz for the #3, Saric and the Lakers 2018 pick.. but you don't take Fox at #3 you take Jackson.
I personally think Jackson is the best player in this years draft, you then add Saric who fills a major hole on our team and have a chance at 2 top 5 picks in next years draft (Brooklyn and Lakers).
Fultz has potential to be a stud don't get me wrong, but we are saturated at guard. You make this trade if you are Ainge.

Yup.

Nope. 

Here's the thing; the consensus is that Fultz is the best player and has the potential to be a star.  If DA agree with that, then you don't pass unless you're getting a guaranteed star in return.  That's not Saric, that's not the #3 (more on that below), and that's not future picks.  No amount of good to very good players equals a star.  Plain and simple.

As for the #3 pick this year, there are legitimate question marks about everyone past Fultz.  Ball?  His offense will never be anything more than mediocre and his defense may be worse.  He could potentially max out at a Jason Kidd type but he could also be no more than Shaun Livingston. 

Jackson?  Love the tenacity.  Definitely a glue guy that any team would love to have.  Could fit seamlessly onto any team because he doesn't demand the ball, plays great defense, and is an underrated and willing passer.  He could be a star glue guy but that's not the same as a star.  I think he can be the next Shawn Marion.  But Shawn Marion isn't taking you to the title.

Tatum?  Advanced offensive player with limited athleticism and questions about his defense.  Can be a bit of a black hole and still needs to develop NBA range.  Can he be a very good and effective player?  Can he be a true star?  Maybe.

Obviously it comes down to the evaluation of Fultz.  But to me, he's the guy with the highest ceiling AND the highest floor.  Just can't pass up on him for a few good players.

I disagree with the consensus.  I believe Josh Jackson will be the best player in this draft class.  There's an ease and a smoothness to his game which I think will translate to the NBA.  Couple that with his tenacity and defensive prowess, and I predict this kid will be a star.

Well then obviously this trade would be a no-brainer for you.  Of course, Jackson could be go #2 so there's that.

But tell me, what kind of player do you expect Jackson to be?  Do you disagree with my Shawn Marion comparison?  How would Jackson be different?  Is there another comp? 

I just don't see a guy that going to get his on a consistent level.  He actually my second rated player so I definitely like him.  Fultz is just on a different tier as a prospect.

[Celtics18]

Is this even a question? I mean, who in his right mind trades #1 for #3+Saric??

There's an article on sixers sense that suggests a trade of #1 for #3, Saric and Lakers 18. I'm guessing that is where this thread is coming from

You ABSOLUTELY trade Fultz for the #3, Saric and the Lakers 2018 pick.. but you don't take Fox at #3 you take Jackson.
I personally think Jackson is the best player in this years draft, you then add Saric who fills a major hole on our team and have a chance at 2 top 5 picks in next years draft (Brooklyn and Lakers).
Fultz has potential to be a stud don't get me wrong, but we are saturated at guard. You make this trade if you are Ainge.

Yup.

Nope. 

Here's the thing; the consensus is that Fultz is the best player and has the potential to be a star.  If DA agree with that, then you don't pass unless you're getting a guaranteed star in return.  That's not Saric, that's not the #3 (more on that below), and that's not future picks.  No amount of good to very good players equals a star.  Plain and simple.

As for the #3 pick this year, there are legitimate question marks about everyone past Fultz.  Ball?  His offense will never be anything more than mediocre and his defense may be worse.  He could potentially max out at a Jason Kidd type but he could also be no more than Shaun Livingston. 

Jackson?  Love the tenacity.  Definitely a glue guy that any team would love to have.  Could fit seamlessly onto any team because he doesn't demand the ball, plays great defense, and is an underrated and willing passer.  He could be a star glue guy but that's not the same as a star.  I think he can be the next Shawn Marion.  But Shawn Marion isn't taking you to the title.

Tatum?  Advanced offensive player with limited athleticism and questions about his defense.  Can be a bit of a black hole and still needs to develop NBA range.  Can he be a very good and effective player?  Can he be a true star?  Maybe.

Obviously it comes down to the evaluation of Fultz.  But to me, he's the guy with the highest ceiling AND the highest floor.  Just can't pass up on him for a few good players.

I disagree with the consensus.  I believe Josh Jackson will be the best player in this draft class.  There's an ease and a smoothness to his game which I think will translate to the NBA.  Couple that with his tenacity and defensive prowess, and I predict this kid will be a star.

Well then obviously this trade would be a no-brainer for you.  Of course, Jackson could be go #2 so there's that.

But tell me, what kind of player do you expect Jackson to be?  Do you disagree with my Shawn Marion comparison?  How would Jackson be different?  Is there another comp? 

I just don't see a guy that going to get his on a consistent level.  He actually my second rated player so I definitely like him.  Fultz is just on a different tier as a prospect.

I don't love comparisons.  I find them to be generally lazy and never really accurate.  Good players tend to be unique in at least as many ways as they are derivative of other players.

That said, Shawn Marion is probably about as solid a comparison as one could come up with.  I don't expect Markelle Fultz (or anyone else in this draft) to have a better career than the Matrix.

[jbpats]

Is this even a question? I mean, who in his right mind trades #1 for #3+Saric??

There's an article on sixers sense that suggests a trade of #1 for #3, Saric and Lakers 18. I'm guessing that is where this thread is coming from

You ABSOLUTELY trade Fultz for the #3, Saric and the Lakers 2018 pick.. but you don't take Fox at #3 you take Jackson.
I personally think Jackson is the best player in this years draft, you then add Saric who fills a major hole on our team and have a chance at 2 top 5 picks in next years draft (Brooklyn and Lakers).
Fultz has potential to be a stud don't get me wrong, but we are saturated at guard. You make this trade if you are Ainge.

Yup.

Nope. 

Here's the thing; the consensus is that Fultz is the best player and has the potential to be a star.  If DA agree with that, then you don't pass unless you're getting a guaranteed star in return.  That's not Saric, that's not the #3 (more on that below), and that's not future picks.  No amount of good to very good players equals a star.  Plain and simple.

As for the #3 pick this year, there are legitimate question marks about everyone past Fultz.  Ball?  His offense will never be anything more than mediocre and his defense may be worse.  He could potentially max out at a Jason Kidd type but he could also be no more than Shaun Livingston. 

Jackson?  Love the tenacity.  Definitely a glue guy that any team would love to have.  Could fit seamlessly onto any team because he doesn't demand the ball, plays great defense, and is an underrated and willing passer.  He could be a star glue guy but that's not the same as a star.  I think he can be the next Shawn Marion.  But Shawn Marion isn't taking you to the title.

Tatum?  Advanced offensive player with limited athleticism and questions about his defense.  Can be a bit of a black hole and still needs to develop NBA range.  Can he be a very good and effective player?  Can he be a true star?  Maybe.

Obviously it comes down to the evaluation of Fultz.  But to me, he's the guy with the highest ceiling AND the highest floor.  Just can't pass up on him for a few good players.

I disagree with the consensus.  I believe Josh Jackson will be the best player in this draft class.  There's an ease and a smoothness to his game which I think will translate to the NBA.  Couple that with his tenacity and defensive prowess, and I predict this kid will be a star.

Well then obviously this trade would be a no-brainer for you.  Of course, Jackson could be go #2 so there's that.

But tell me, what kind of player do you expect Jackson to be?  Do you disagree with my Shawn Marion comparison?  How would Jackson be different?  Is there another comp? 

I just don't see a guy that going to get his on a consistent level.  He actually my second rated player so I definitely like him.  Fultz is just on a different tier as a prospect.

Marion was a 4X all star and 2X All NBA player, I'd be thrilled if we got that out of any of our draft picks regardless of when they were drafted. He probably would have had even more accolades, but obviously injuries got the best of him.