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Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2017, 08:07:13 PM »

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So who do we want in a 4-guard rotation?  We assume Fultz, right?  IT is an allstar scorer, so we want him too. Two more spots split among Smart, Rozier, and Bradley.

I'm high on Rozier and love his contract and progress. Great to have as backup point. But we have 2 PG's already.

Bradley: great defense 2-way player, career Celtic so far. True SG. Fits the roster well. Clearly rotation player on champion material.

Smart should be in there somewhere, but he doesn't fit at PG (behind Fultz, IT, and Rozier on O) and competes with Bradley and likely also Jaylen Brown for SG minutes.

For me it's Rozier vs Smart for the 4th spot. Rozier is cheaper and plays both ways. Brown will get SG minutes too, so 4th guard might not play.

Smart is the odd man out due to bad offense and too many guards if we draft a PG.

IT may not return value in a trade, AB is the proven player to keep, and we'll end up over the cap anyway. Plus the pick and minutes for Brown could round out the guard rotation itself. Both Smart and Rozier out in that case.

And I agree Jae Crowder is likely in a trade package going out.

Rozier, Smart, and Crowder all in one trade out?

Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2017, 08:22:47 PM »

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If you are talking rotations Rozier has the least flexibility. Smart fills in 1-3. IT 1-2 (on O), AB 1-2 (on D), Rozier 1, Fultz 1-2.

Smart and Fultz would have most flexibility.

Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2017, 08:26:12 PM »

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The great thing is all of them are interchangeable. All of them can play 1 or 2 and to some extent 3 (in Case of Smart and possibly Fultz). Danny have no pressure of trading them, unless there are some very good offers that he can't refuse.

Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2017, 08:34:21 PM »

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If you are talking rotations Rozier has the least flexibility. Smart fills in 1-3. IT 1-2 (on O), AB 1-2 (on D), Rozier 1, Fultz 1-2.

Smart and Fultz would have most flexibility.
Rozier can play the 1/2 both ways.
Smart is not ideal at the 3, especially in the playoffs, and if Jaylen keeps up his steady progress he should be taking a good amount of minutes at the 2/3 next year. My opinion changes on Smart if he cuts down to 210lbs or less.

Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2017, 08:39:15 PM »

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The great thing is all of them are interchangeable. All of them can play 1 or 2 and to some extent 3 (in Case of Smart and possibly Fultz). Danny have no pressure of trading them, unless there are some very good offers that he can't refuse.
IMO idk about interchangeable...
AB can not play the point
IT needs to be hidden on D
Smart is not a pg but he is not a sg or sf either
Fultz will be taken #1 overall as a pg and shouldn't be playing the 3 regularly like Smart has for us.

Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2017, 09:16:53 PM »

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The great thing is all of them are interchangeable. All of them can play 1 or 2 and to some extent 3 (in Case of Smart and possibly Fultz). Danny have no pressure of trading them, unless there are some very good offers that he can't refuse.
IMO idk about interchangeable...
AB can not play the point
IT needs to be hidden on D
Smart is not a pg but he is not a sg or sf either
Fultz will be taken #1 overall as a pg and shouldn't be playing the 3 regularly like Smart has for us.

AB can switch at the 1 defensively.
As long as there is a ballhandling 2 or 3, Bradley can be hide at the 1 in offense.
Fultz will only play 3 at spot minutes
Fultz could become a permanent 3 if he grew few inch taller (Listed at 6'5" at 19 years old)
Smart is a capable playmaker and a threat with PnR with Kelly or Horford
Rozier can handle the ball and shoot.

So yes, all of them are interchangable.

Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2017, 03:09:29 AM »

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The great thing is all of them are interchangeable. All of them can play 1 or 2 and to some extent 3 (in Case of Smart and possibly Fultz). Danny have no pressure of trading them, unless there are some very good offers that he can't refuse.
IMO idk about interchangeable...
AB can not play the point
IT needs to be hidden on D
Smart is not a pg but he is not a sg or sf either
Fultz will be taken #1 overall as a pg and shouldn't be playing the 3 regularly like Smart has for us.

AB can switch at the 1 defensively.
As long as there is a ballhandling 2 or 3, Bradley can be hide at the 1 in offense.
Fultz will only play 3 at spot minutes
Fultz could become a permanent 3 if he grew few inch taller (Listed at 6'5" at 19 years old)
Smart is a capable playmaker and a threat with PnR with Kelly or Horford
Rozier can handle the ball and shoot.

So yes, all of them are interchangable.

Lol people think they can just give props to any simple NBA play.

Smart is a threat ? How, all he does is run a basic NBA play correctly.

We don't have any true PG....Smart is the closest, but he can't shoot, so that thread is miniscule. Bradley's position doesn't allow him to run the simplest PnR, as he needs to be doing his job which is scoring. IT is not a point guard, he is a scoring 2 in a point guards body.

Any good pg can run the PnR.....but to be a thread you need to be able to shoot or turn the corner. Smart can't do any of that.

If you replace Smart with any decent shooting point guard you wont miss him...trust me.

With that said he plays the most capable PG on the team since we just don't have any good ones on the team.

If everyone believe the hype , than you trade IT and or Rozier and maybe Crowder and get something in return, then sign your big free agent and hope Fultz is the real deal.

Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2017, 03:21:50 AM »

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The great thing is all of them are interchangeable. All of them can play 1 or 2 and to some extent 3 (in Case of Smart and possibly Fultz). Danny have no pressure of trading them, unless there are some very good offers that he can't refuse.
IMO idk about interchangeable...
AB can not play the point
IT needs to be hidden on D
Smart is not a pg but he is not a sg or sf either
Fultz will be taken #1 overall as a pg and shouldn't be playing the 3 regularly like Smart has for us.

AB can switch at the 1 defensively.
As long as there is a ballhandling 2 or 3, Bradley can be hide at the 1 in offense.
Fultz will only play 3 at spot minutes
Fultz could become a permanent 3 if he grew few inch taller (Listed at 6'5" at 19 years old)
Smart is a capable playmaker and a threat with PnR with Kelly or Horford
Rozier can handle the ball and shoot.

So yes, all of them are interchangable.

Lol people think they can just give props to any simple NBA play.

Smart is a threat ? How, all he does is run a basic NBA play correctly.

We don't have any true PG....Smart is the closest, but he can't shoot, so that thread is miniscule. Bradley's position doesn't allow him to run the simplest PnR, as he needs to be doing his job which is scoring. IT is not a point guard, he is a scoring 2 in a point guards body.

Any good pg can run the PnR.....but to be a thread you need to be able to shoot or turn the corner. Smart can't do any of that.

If you replace Smart with any decent shooting point guard you wont miss him...trust me.

With that said he plays the most capable PG on the team since we just don't have any good ones on the team.

If everyone believe the hype , than you trade IT and or Rozier and maybe Crowder and get something in return, then sign your big free agent and hope Fultz is the real deal.

If IT is not a point guard, then majority of the NBA's point guards aren't either. Game has changed, point guard nowadays doesnt mean Rondos or CP3s.

Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2017, 03:49:28 AM »

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I'd probably list them the same way, if there was no salary cap.

With the cap, AB is the guy I think we should reluctantly trade. Moving him and signing Hayward improves our team significantly.
This
AB can now give you 20+ point some night even in the playoffs, but still can;t be considered a major O threat, but will demand 20M+ money
maybe if he is willing to take about 11M then we could keep him

Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2017, 03:51:47 AM »

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If you are talking rotations Rozier has the least flexibility. Smart fills in 1-3. IT 1-2 (on O), AB 1-2 (on D), Rozier 1, Fultz 1-2.

Smart and Fultz would have most flexibility.
Rozier rebounds like a 4-5

Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2017, 03:52:25 AM »

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I'd probably list them the same way, if there was no salary cap.

With the cap, AB is the guy I think we should reluctantly trade. Moving him and signing Hayward improves our team significantly.
This
AB can now give you 20+ point some night even in the playoffs, but still can;t be considered a major O threat, but will demand 20M+ money
maybe if he is willing to take about 11M then we could keep him
That's marcus smart money...IMO 18 million is the market price for Bradley
Jaylen Brown for All-NBA

Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2017, 04:07:45 AM »

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If you are talking rotations Rozier has the least flexibility. Smart fills in 1-3. IT 1-2 (on O), AB 1-2 (on D), Rozier 1, Fultz 1-2.

Smart and Fultz would have most flexibility.
Rozier rebounds like a 4-5
Rozier has played some off guard for us. He def has the length to defend the 2. Are you sure he can't play the 2?

Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2017, 04:19:50 AM »

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The great thing is all of them are interchangeable. All of them can play 1 or 2 and to some extent 3 (in Case of Smart and possibly Fultz). Danny have no pressure of trading them, unless there are some very good offers that he can't refuse.
IMO idk about interchangeable...
AB can not play the point
IT needs to be hidden on D
Smart is not a pg but he is not a sg or sf either
Fultz will be taken #1 overall as a pg and shouldn't be playing the 3 regularly like Smart has for us.

AB can switch at the 1 defensively.
As long as there is a ballhandling 2 or 3, Bradley can be hide at the 1 in offense.
Fultz will only play 3 at spot minutes
Fultz could become a permanent 3 if he grew few inch taller (Listed at 6'5" at 19 years old)
Smart is a capable playmaker and a threat with PnR with Kelly or Horford
Rozier can handle the ball and shoot.

So yes, all of them are interchangable.

Lol people think they can just give props to any simple NBA play.

Smart is a threat ? How, all he does is run a basic NBA play correctly.

We don't have any true PG....Smart is the closest, but he can't shoot, so that thread is miniscule. Bradley's position doesn't allow him to run the simplest PnR, as he needs to be doing his job which is scoring. IT is not a point guard, he is a scoring 2 in a point guards body.

Any good pg can run the PnR.....but to be a thread you need to be able to shoot or turn the corner. Smart can't do any of that.

If you replace Smart with any decent shooting point guard you wont miss him...trust me.

With that said he plays the most capable PG on the team since we just don't have any good ones on the team.

If everyone believe the hype , than you trade IT and or Rozier and maybe Crowder and get something in return, then sign your big free agent and hope Fultz is the real deal.

If IT is not a point guard, then majority of the NBA's point guards aren't either. Game has changed, point guard nowadays doesnt mean Rondos or CP3s.
You say AB is interchangeable but also that AB has to hide on offense while playing the 1 but can only do this if there is a ball handling 2 or 3. To me this is not interchangeable.


Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2017, 07:45:39 AM »

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IT and Bradley

I like the idea of trading IT for an upgrade at SF or PF. Also Bradley due to next contract.

I love the idea of a Fultz, Smart and Rozier three man backcourt. Good size, physicality and athleticism. Two way players. Two guys who can create off the dribble.

Re: Which guard would you want to trade the most
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2017, 07:59:55 AM »

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I think I've missed out on what makes some folks so high on Rozier.

5.5 points on 36.7% shooting. 31.8% 3PT%. Okay defense.

5.6 points in the playoffs. A really nice 42.3% 3PT%, but that's on 26 attempts. Per-36 playoff stats of 13/3. He's been a non-factor in 5 of the past 6 games.

I see Rozier as a decent 4th or 5th guard, not a building block.



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