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Re: Interesting Paul George retweet
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2017, 12:57:07 PM »

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The offer is AB, Jae and #1 for George and filler(future 1st)

Way too much. The #1 overall, and the rookie scale contract it possesses, has equal value to George, if not more. Especially since George only has 1 year left and will get a huge pay increase, or worse yet, sign elsewhere.

You have to send out that salary in order to sign Hayward too.....

And would you rather tie up huge salary in AB or use him as an asset and use that money on 2 all-star scorers with size to go with IT and Horford?

But doesn't mean we should send the Pacers more than George is worth. We could always trade Crowder and Bradley in separate trades to acquire future draft picks that doesn't impact cap next season. Again, there are more options than what your listed

yea I wouldn't want lose both AB and Crowder if we are giving up the #1 pick for George.

assuming he's signing an extension.......... Amir, Jae and Fultz is a solid deal. 
Salaries match, and Indy gets to expire Amir's 10m and also they get a mentor/starter on a team friendly deal.

Thomas is too good to put him in timeshare right now with Fultz.  George would be an ideal fit to replace Crowder in the starting five. 

I get that top picks are rare, but consider we'll get another next year and likely another shortly thereafter from Memphis.  With the progress Rozier and Smart are showing, I'm okay swapping Fultz for a sure-thing.  And Paul George is just that, one of the few dudes who can go toe to toe with LBJ. 

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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2017, 12:58:00 PM »

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Paul George thinks we should try to acquire Gordon Hayward? Agreed.


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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2017, 01:09:15 PM »

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Woj now reporting that the Lakers "feel pretty confident" that they can sign George in 2018 whether he's traded to another team or not. Some thoughts:

1) The Lakers are always irrationally confident that they can sign everyone, just like Love, Derozan, Aldridge, etc. Hell they thought that they should get a meeting with Durant after being the second worst team in the league last year. So their "confidence" doesn't really mean anything to me.

2) This is an obvious attempt to dissuade Boston or another more competitive team from trying to trade for PG. That much is clear. They're afraid that if he goes somewhere else and wins, he won't consider them next year at all.

3) I still don't buy this whole narrative. George has repeatedly said that he wants to win, and I'm sure he'd love to do that in LA. However, that's just not a reality any time soon, so I highly, highly doubt that he decides to go to a team that is more than likely a bottom-3 team once again next year, who doesn't even own their pick at that.

Ultimately, I think Magic is suspecting that Boston or some other team is going to trade for him, which is why he fed Woj this report trying to dissuade that from happening. This might also suggest that George in fact missed the All-NBA team and Magic found out about it early, making a trade from Indy very, very likely.

Doesn't Woj work for ESPN now? Hopefully he maintains his credibility, as this isn't a good start.

Like I mentioned in another thread, the last big free agent to sign with the Lakers, that I can remember, is Shaquille O'Neal almost 20 years ago. I don't know who was the last big free agent to sign before that. I think the Lakers and their fans are out of touch regarding their ability to lure free agents. 

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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2017, 01:13:03 PM »

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The offer is AB, Jae and #1 for George and filler(future 1st)

Way too much. The #1 overall, and the rookie scale contract it possesses, has equal value to George, if not more. Especially since George only has 1 year left and will get a huge pay increase, or worse yet, sign elsewhere.

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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2017, 01:26:49 PM »

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Go after Hayward first.



If fails, maybe, but likely want to use next years pick instead.

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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2017, 01:30:17 PM »

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Woj now reporting that the Lakers "feel pretty confident" that they can sign George in 2018 whether he's traded to another team or not. Some thoughts:

1) The Lakers are always irrationally confident that they can sign everyone, just like Love, Derozan, Aldridge, etc. Hell they thought that they should get a meeting with Durant after being the second worst team in the league last year. So their "confidence" doesn't really mean anything to me.

2) This is an obvious attempt to dissuade Boston or another more competitive team from trying to trade for PG. That much is clear. They're afraid that if he goes somewhere else and wins, he won't consider them next year at all.

3) I still don't buy this whole narrative. George has repeatedly said that he wants to win, and I'm sure he'd love to do that in LA. However, that's just not a reality any time soon, so I highly, highly doubt that he decides to go to a team that is more than likely a bottom-3 team once again next year, who doesn't even own their pick at that.

Ultimately, I think Magic is suspecting that Boston or some other team is going to trade for him, which is why he fed Woj this report trying to dissuade that from happening. This might also suggest that George in fact missed the All-NBA team and Magic found out about it early, making a trade from Indy very, very likely.

Doesn't Woj work for ESPN now? Hopefully he maintains his credibility, as this isn't a good start.

Like I mentioned in another thread, the last big free agent to sign with the Lakers, that I can remember, is Shaquille O'Neal almost 20 years ago. I don't know who was the last big free agent to sign before that. I think the Lakers and their fans are out of touch regarding their ability to lure free agents.

Let's assume for a moment we acquire George and his bird rights.

IMO we would be going "all-in" and the C;s office pushes to also land another good player, like a Hayward or a Butler or someone of that caliber. That makes us contenders.

When has a star player EVER left a contender to go to a dumpster fire of a team? LA is still going to be saddled with the Deng/Mozgov contracts, and they're going to need to pay their younger players. They don't have their draft pick next year; their current team + Ball is likely the roster George would be joining.

He would be leaving a ton of money on the table by leaving, as he'd get a lower pay scale and only be eligible for 4 years instead of 5.

Only way I see PG going to the Lakers is if he REALLY thinks Ingram and Ball are going to be superstars he can win a title with. And even if they are destined to be great, he'll be near the end of his prime before they really become a viable option to defeat the Warriors.

The C's window much more closely correlates with his own.

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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2017, 01:31:03 PM »

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I think the pick is getting flipped for him if we are able to sign Hayward 1st.

He makes perfect sense with Hayward, both just turned 27 since march, both will be entering their prime (28-32), 5 years younger than Lebron. Both contracts will be up before they hit a decline. They fit perfectly with IT(28) and Horford(Who's game should age well.)

Oh by the way we will still have young strong prospects with Jaylen,Smart,brk 18,Yabu,Zicic

The offer is AB, Jae and #1 for George and filler(future 1st)

Like I said in the other thread

It
Jaylen
Hayward
George
Horford

Smart
Rosier
Brk 18
Yabu
Zicic

Add vets chasing a ring on vet min

That's a roster that contends now and will be ready to take over when Lebron declines.

Have Jaylen and George to defend Lebron 48 mins. That is a lot of length and athleticism to contend with, especially as Jaylen matures.

Danny Since said in the press conference after winning the lotto, that fans who think a 19 yr old kid is going to change our team is crazy, he will contribute , but don't expect too much.

This team is set up to contend now. Don't be afraid of competing with the best.

Its not like we are mortgaging our future with a trade like this, still have plenty of young assets.

Hayward wouldn't be a sure thing until at least a week after the draft. I've never heard of a team trading the No 1 immediately after picking them lol.

Maybe next year's pick. If a PG trade goes down, it's probably on draft night.

Count me out. PG isn't signing an extension even if he's traded that much is certain. He'll just play another year in Indy and sign with LAL in 2018 if worse comes to worse...

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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2017, 01:33:23 PM »

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I would love to get Paul George. But the package it would require to land him has nothing to do with pick #1. However, Indy will insist. And for this reason, it is not a fit and we would be better off waiting until he hits FA and making a standard pitch.

This year...


Stand pat and using our available cap space (with a few moves to get to max level) to sign Gordon Hayward is the best move available. We keep pick 1 and take Fultz.

Next year...

We make decisions on our glut of guards (Bradley/Smart/Rozier/etc.) or we could let IT walk in FA this year allowing us the room to sign PG13 (when he would be an UFA) and keep our glut of guards given their defensive specialty. Our team could be...

PG: Fultz
SG: Hayward
SF: Brown
PF: PG13
C: Horford

Bench: Bradley*/Smart/Rozier/Yabusele/Zizic/Nader/etc.

*Bradley has earned right for large contract so he is likely odd man out.

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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2017, 01:36:03 PM »

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I  definately am not fully on board with trying to assemble our own allstar team of current nba players yet.   When Horford is getting dominated by kevin love, what makes people think george is going  to compete with lebron. 

Guys like paul pierce i trust because they are different.  Lets wait until the series is over though before we jump to conclusions.  Pierce himself was a star.  STars don't always make the best gm's.

Danny Ainge is smarter than him. Yeah we may want to do something creative with the pick but lets wait and see.

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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2017, 01:41:26 PM »

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I think the pick is getting flipped for him if we are able to sign Hayward 1st.

He makes perfect sense with Hayward, both just turned 27 since march, both will be entering their prime (28-32), 5 years younger than Lebron. Both contracts will be up before they hit a decline. They fit perfectly with IT(28) and Horford(Who's game should age well.)

Oh by the way we will still have young strong prospects with Jaylen,Smart,brk 18,Yabu,Zicic

The offer is AB, Jae and #1 for George and filler(future 1st)

Like I said in the other thread

It
Jaylen
Hayward
George
Horford

Smart
Rosier
Brk 18
Yabu
Zicic

Add vets chasing a ring on vet min

That's a roster that contends now and will be ready to take over when Lebron declines.

Have Jaylen and George to defend Lebron 48 mins. That is a lot of length and athleticism to contend with, especially as Jaylen matures.

Danny Since said in the press conference after winning the lotto, that fans who think a 19 yr old kid is going to change our team is crazy, he will contribute , but don't expect too much.

This team is set up to contend now. Don't be afraid of competing with the best.

Its not like we are mortgaging our future with a trade like this, still have plenty of young assets.

Hayward wouldn't be a sure thing until at least a week after the draft. I've never heard of a team trading the No 1 immediately after picking them lol.

Maybe next year's pick. If a PG trade goes down, it's probably on draft night.

Count me out. PG isn't signing an extension even if he's traded that much is certain. He'll just play another year in Indy and sign with LAL in 2018 if worse comes to worse...

Hmmm I seem to remember cle trading Wiggins for love, after they signed Lebron.....

They simply wait until the date Wiggins could be traded and didn't sign him to a contract

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« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2017, 01:41:33 PM »

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Reason being I'm guessing from watching the first 5 minutes of game 1 a lot of people's reactions were the same thing. Mine was that.  But lets wait until the series is over to see really how far this team is away.

Pierce himself was loyal to the celtics and didn't win until he had stars come here to go with him. That's just where he comes from too.

1. A lot of our players are young.  We got punched in the mouth
2. PLayers like Jaylen are going to improve. 
3. Smart did not have a great game. He made some great plays.  He also made some boneheaded ones.
4. NEither did KO
5. AB had a good game
6. IT didn't
7. NEither did Horford

The celtics definately started raising their level earlier in the playoffs. They also played longer series which tells me they are maxing themselves out earlier than the cavs.  The cavs are just starting to raise their level of play.

The celtics can still step up though. There's a lack of consistency there with their players period whether they are a star or not.  Paul George isn't going to necessarily change that.  he's a superstar and yeah he might help.  Getting a couple stars might vs using the picks the next couple years.  But I'm not at that point yet.

The good thing is the celtics are here so they are gaining notice from stars around the league.
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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2017, 01:43:26 PM »

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I think the pick is getting flipped for him if we are able to sign Hayward 1st.

He makes perfect sense with Hayward, both just turned 27 since march, both will be entering their prime (28-32), 5 years younger than Lebron. Both contracts will be up before they hit a decline. They fit perfectly with IT(28) and Horford(Who's game should age well.)

Oh by the way we will still have young strong prospects with Jaylen,Smart,brk 18,Yabu,Zicic

The offer is AB, Jae and #1 for George and filler(future 1st)

Like I said in the other thread

It
Jaylen
Hayward
George
Horford

Smart
Rosier
Brk 18
Yabu
Zicic

Add vets chasing a ring on vet min

That's a roster that contends now and will be ready to take over when Lebron declines.

Have Jaylen and George to defend Lebron 48 mins. That is a lot of length and athleticism to contend with, especially as Jaylen matures.

Danny Since said in the press conference after winning the lotto, that fans who think a 19 yr old kid is going to change our team is crazy, he will contribute , but don't expect too much.

This team is set up to contend now. Don't be afraid of competing with the best.

Its not like we are mortgaging our future with a trade like this, still have plenty of young assets.

Hayward wouldn't be a sure thing until at least a week after the draft. I've never heard of a team trading the No 1 immediately after picking them lol.

Maybe next year's pick. If a PG trade goes down, it's probably on draft night.

Count me out. PG isn't signing an extension even if he's traded that much is certain. He'll just play another year in Indy and sign with LAL in 2018 if worse comes to worse...

Hmmm I seem to remember cle trading Wiggins for love, after they signed Lebron.....

They simply wait until the date Wiggins could be traded and didn't sign him to a contract

Ray and KG all went down on draft night also.

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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2017, 01:45:36 PM »

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I think the pick is getting flipped for him if we are able to sign Hayward 1st.

He makes perfect sense with Hayward, both just turned 27 since march, both will be entering their prime (28-32), 5 years younger than Lebron. Both contracts will be up before they hit a decline. They fit perfectly with IT(28) and Horford(Who's game should age well.)

Oh by the way we will still have young strong prospects with Jaylen,Smart,brk 18,Yabu,Zicic

The offer is AB, Jae and #1 for George and filler(future 1st)

Like I said in the other thread

It
Jaylen
Hayward
George
Horford

Smart
Rosier
Brk 18
Yabu
Zicic

Add vets chasing a ring on vet min

That's a roster that contends now and will be ready to take over when Lebron declines.

Have Jaylen and George to defend Lebron 48 mins. That is a lot of length and athleticism to contend with, especially as Jaylen matures.

Danny Since said in the press conference after winning the lotto, that fans who think a 19 yr old kid is going to change our team is crazy, he will contribute , but don't expect too much.

This team is set up to contend now. Don't be afraid of competing with the best.

Its not like we are mortgaging our future with a trade like this, still have plenty of young assets.

Hayward wouldn't be a sure thing until at least a week after the draft. I've never heard of a team trading the No 1 immediately after picking them lol.

Maybe next year's pick. If a PG trade goes down, it's probably on draft night.

Count me out. PG isn't signing an extension even if he's traded that much is certain. He'll just play another year in Indy and sign with LAL in 2018 if worse comes to worse...

Hmmm I seem to remember cle trading Wiggins for love, after they signed Lebron.....

They simply wait until the date Wiggins could be traded and didn't sign him to a contract

Right that's the one example I remember. So it's extremely rare. And Love was under LT contract. PG is not.

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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2017, 01:46:26 PM »

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Only way you guys should trade #1 is if Anthony Davis is coming the other way. Paul George won't put you over the top. Cleveland would beat you in 5 or 6 instead of a sweep.

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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2017, 01:47:47 PM »

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I think the pick is getting flipped for him if we are able to sign Hayward 1st.

He makes perfect sense with Hayward, both just turned 27 since march, both will be entering their prime (28-32), 5 years younger than Lebron. Both contracts will be up before they hit a decline. They fit perfectly with IT(28) and Horford(Who's game should age well.)

Oh by the way we will still have young strong prospects with Jaylen,Smart,brk 18,Yabu,Zicic

The offer is AB, Jae and #1 for George and filler(future 1st)

Like I said in the other thread

It
Jaylen
Hayward
George
Horford

Smart
Rosier
Brk 18
Yabu
Zicic

Add vets chasing a ring on vet min

That's a roster that contends now and will be ready to take over when Lebron declines.

Have Jaylen and George to defend Lebron 48 mins. That is a lot of length and athleticism to contend with, especially as Jaylen matures.

Danny Since said in the press conference after winning the lotto, that fans who think a 19 yr old kid is going to change our team is crazy, he will contribute , but don't expect too much.

This team is set up to contend now. Don't be afraid of competing with the best.

Its not like we are mortgaging our future with a trade like this, still have plenty of young assets.

Hayward wouldn't be a sure thing until at least a week after the draft. I've never heard of a team trading the No 1 immediately after picking them lol.

Maybe next year's pick. If a PG trade goes down, it's probably on draft night.

Count me out. PG isn't signing an extension even if he's traded that much is certain. He'll just play another year in Indy and sign with LAL in 2018 if worse comes to worse...

Hmmm I seem to remember cle trading Wiggins for love, after they signed Lebron.....

They simply wait until the date Wiggins could be traded and didn't sign him to a contract

Right that's the one example I remember. So it's extremely rare. And Love was under LT contract. PG is not.

No he wasn't under long term contract , that's why rondo was trying to lure him here at Fenway Park.

It was the exact same situation, 1 yr left on his contract....