Crowder, Jackson, Mickey, BOS 2018 for Carmelo?

[Bobshot]

They can get Anthony for a lot cheaper than Crowder. You don't give up a core player for Anthony.  Ainge may be forced into a trade in order to stay under the cap, though it's possible Wyc may change the cap tax parameters some if the situation is right.

[Future Celtics Owner]

What about Jaylen Brown?

The rookie all draft experts and analysts said was the most high ceiling/high reward/high potential player at #3 is playing dam good basketball in both game 7 and in game 1 ECF. He was supposed to be a project that needed to work on his 3, defense, finishing around the rim, and etc.  but has progressed much faster. IMO he has that type of potential to start for us next year or even force a trade if we keep things the way they are.

2 huge (wide open)dunks were taken away from him in last nights game. He only played 20 minutes but should have had 14  ponts on 7-9 shooting. And he lead the team in rebounds in just 20 minutes...along with showing glimpses of his future defensive potential while defending Lebron.

[Darío SpanishFan]

We have to try to sign Hayward, as it presumably is the last summer we can sign a max FA in years to come. And we don't have to give up any asset, except if we want to do a S&T with the Jazz due to salary cap reasons.

As I always say, our own 2018 pick will be hopefully in the twenties, and probably to stash a player. Well, Zizic was nº 23 last year and would be a top-10 pick in 2017, so we have to take advantage of this possibility too. I don't want to give away any chance to get a good player in the draft, because having them on rookie scale contracts will be very valuable for us.

I'm pretty sure we would need to give up an asset, as I think it's been established that we do not have sufficient cap space to sign him outright - and hence would most likely need to do a sign and trade with Utah to acquire him...which means giving up an asset of some description.   

I'm also not entirely sure Zizic would be a top 10 pick in 2017 - some people seem to have an incredibly high amount of confidence in him for somebody who has never played an NBA game.

Not saying he won't be good - I sure hope he is - but there's much unknown and it's not something I would bank on.  I would recommend we expect nothing, and if he ends up contributing significantly then consider that a bonus.

Thanks for your answer. The bold part is highlighted because also the 2017 draft class hasn't played an NBA game, and Zizic has played this year against the best players outside the NBA.

This is definitely an upgrade in terms of competition, I'd like to point out. And this tells me Zizic is more prepared for the NBA than most of 2017 draft picks.

[Future Celtics Owner]

We have to try to sign Hayward, as it presumably is the last summer we can sign a max FA in years to come. And we don't have to give up any asset, except if we want to do a S&T with the Jazz due to salary cap reasons.

As I always say, our own 2018 pick will be hopefully in the twenties, and probably to stash a player. Well, Zizic was nº 23 last year and would be a top-10 pick in 2017, so we have to take advantage of this possibility too. I don't want to give away any chance to get a good player in the draft, because having them on rookie scale contracts will be very valuable for us.

I'm pretty sure we would need to give up an asset, as I think it's been established that we do not have sufficient cap space to sign him outright - and hence would most likely need to do a sign and trade with Utah to acquire him...which means giving up an asset of some description.   

I'm also not entirely sure Zizic would be a top 10 pick in 2017 - some people seem to have an incredibly high amount of confidence in him for somebody who has never played an NBA game.

Not saying he won't be good - I sure hope he is - but there's much unknown and it's not something I would bank on.  I would recommend we expect nothing, and if he ends up contributing significantly then consider that a bonus.

Thanks for your answer. The bold part is highlighted because also the 2017 draft class hasn't played an NBA game, and Zizic has played this year against the best players outside the NBA.

This is definitely an upgrade in terms of competition, I'd like to point out. And this tells me Zizic is more prepared for the NBA than most of 2017 draft picks.

Dario, have you seen a lot of Zizic? I've watched a ton of video and I'm trying to find a clip of him using a fluid turn around or fade away jumper to score offensively. I love his length(he's actually the longest guy on our team lol) but I want to see him use it in post moves or as a turn-around jumper. That's part of my eye test for big men...

TP if anyone can help.

[crimson_stallion]

We have to try to sign Hayward, as it presumably is the last summer we can sign a max FA in years to come. And we don't have to give up any asset, except if we want to do a S&T with the Jazz due to salary cap reasons.

As I always say, our own 2018 pick will be hopefully in the twenties, and probably to stash a player. Well, Zizic was nº 23 last year and would be a top-10 pick in 2017, so we have to take advantage of this possibility too. I don't want to give away any chance to get a good player in the draft, because having them on rookie scale contracts will be very valuable for us.

I'm pretty sure we would need to give up an asset, as I think it's been established that we do not have sufficient cap space to sign him outright - and hence would most likely need to do a sign and trade with Utah to acquire him...which means giving up an asset of some description.   

I'm also not entirely sure Zizic would be a top 10 pick in 2017 - some people seem to have an incredibly high amount of confidence in him for somebody who has never played an NBA game.

Not saying he won't be good - I sure hope he is - but there's much unknown and it's not something I would bank on.  I would recommend we expect nothing, and if he ends up contributing significantly then consider that a bonus.

Thanks for your answer. The bold part is highlighted because also the 2017 draft class hasn't played an NBA game, and Zizic has played this year against the best players outside the NBA.

This is definitely an upgrade in terms of competition, I'd like to point out. And this tells me Zizic is more prepared for the NBA than most of 2017 draft picks.

I'm not so sure.

The one thing about college players is that probably 90% of all NBA players come from US college at some point in time. 

Every year there are 60 guys drafted, and at least 40 of those probably come from US college, which in turn that most college players have played against a future NBA player at some point in time.

However it's tough to gauge euro players because although they are playing against pros, they are playing FIBA rules, against FIBA play styles, and aren't necessarily playing against many (if any) future NBA players.

See, we can do things like comparing Fultz against Ball, because we've seen them play head to head.  We can compare Fultz' stats against what previous college players have averaged at a similar age and experience level, and get some indication of whether he's likely to excel.

Also many college coaches have coached numerous prospects who have eventually gone on and become excellent NBA players (or bad NBA players) so those coaches had some experience on which they can lean to get an indication of which players do/don't have NBA potential.

With a guy like Zizic who has only played overseas, it's tough.

For example, Zizic and Zubac played for the same team.  Zizic was the better of the two, but Zubac was pretty talented too.  Zubac has come in for a pretty bad Lakers team, and he's gotten some minutes...but he's not really flashed signs of being any more then a role player.

As a second example, how many people were absolutely obsessed with Dragan Bender in this draft, believing he'd come in and have a huge impact from day one the way Porzingis did?  Yet he's been practically nonexistent.

And yes I know its different because Zizic has been playing much more, and putting up great numbers (while bender didn't have a big sample size), but the fact remains that guys come from Europe all the time and struggle. 

Maybe Zizic will struggle to keep up with the pace of the NBA game.  Maybe his jumper and passing game will struggle, making him too limited offensively.  Maybe his inside game (which is effective in europe) will struggle against more athletic NBA bigs. 

It's all stuff that we basically won't know until we see for ourselves.  I understand the excitement and the optimism for sure, but I still think we should temper our expectations until we see for ourselves.