Does this fanbase get too enamored with homegrown talent and marginal players?

[PhoSita]

Yes.

Because it's a fanbase.

[green_bballers13]

Yes, I like Avery and Marcus more than NBA fans in other cities might. The team is investing time in them so I naturally want them to do well. I don't think other fan bases are immune to this.

That being said, I'm pretty much done with KO (I know, thank you for game 7!), James Young, and other marginal guys like Amir, Zeller, and Green. That's 5 guys. I'd replace them with: 1) Hayward 2) Fultz 3) Bogut (or similar FA big) 4) Zizic and 5) Yabu.

[SHAQATTACK]

we need players that can score on a steady basis .   ......

too,many role players that spdon't show up .....and should be second stringers.

[CF0022]

just listening to kenny smith right now saying Obviously lebron james is the best player in the world.  Yes in ways but the season isn't over yet.  It's comments like that.  What does Kenny Smith know? Is Kenny Smith that great to say such things?

Dude from NYC.  Shaq is a laker. Charles is a 76er. Been disrespecting boston all year.  Why is that?  jeff van gundy too. And Reggie Miller. I wonder why this is.  haha.

Cleveland looks good right now.  I would say they have a very good shot this year.  Odds say that this year. But not others.

Why was Lebron losing to San Antonio when he was obviously the best player in the world though? 

Lebron is super talented and at the top of his game right now.  He isn't without his flaws though.  He probably is the best player in the world right now but we will see.  I've seen better players than Lebron though and he is really at his best right now.

IT mght be the best player in the world  next game for alll I know.  It's the body of work but IT is still growing.

Kenny Smith is a classic frontrunner at times. 

[CF0022]

philadelphia has had how many #1 draft picks.  I'm really not that enamored with that and building with young players and egos like that and players that don't necessarily comprehend how to play together.  It might work it's way out.  But i'd much rather the celtics way of doing things and building something. saying the 76ers haev more talent than the celtics is also absurd. They are developing too but talent is relative that way.  They also aren't developing in ways like they should either. 

is ben simmons more talented than Jaylen? I dont know. Jaylen has to develop. So does Simmons.  I think talent wise they are a lot closer than people said.

I wanted jaylen that draft too over simmons. He fit us and our style and i also felt hs talent level was the same in different ways.

Jaylen has to develop.   Normally I'd be the crazy one for saying these things too.

This is the first time every in the history the celtics have ever had the #1 picka nd I'm excited.  They also have won more than any other team.  It's not because of marginal talent. It's because they are smart.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Do not get me wrong, i love the energy and passion of our fanbase, I just don't think a lot of the teams some of you would like to see would win a title.

The Lakers are always look for proven stars, Kareem, Shaq, Pau, and the like. They appear to be targeting Paul George and were upset as an organization to miss out on Cousins.

I hate the Lakers but that's swinging for the fences and living in the now and proven.

When we have a 53 win conference Finals team and I hear about keeping our under 20 year old draft picks, it drives me crazy. Why would we not want Paul George or any elite 6 ft 7 wing to go with what we have. Why not Blake or Boogie when we had the shot.

Hayward is the lesser of George/Butler/Hayward imo. Why don't we want the highest shelf guys possible. Does this fan base just love them some underdogs and homegrown guys that much? Our last title run had 3 hall of famers as the stars, it takes a lot of talent to win.

Can I get some light shed here?

I understand your point, but I think most of the players you mention are bad examples, or bad comparisons. People like Kareem and Shaq are transcendent talents; I don't think George, Butler, or Griffin are on that level.

The only current players on that level, in my opinion, are LeBron, Curry, KD, and Leonard. Cousins could be if he got his head in the game. Even Anthony Davis, with his great numbers, doesn't strike me as a transcendent player (not that I wouldn't want him on the Celtics, mind you).

So I'm all for adding a guy like George or Butler if it can be done in free agency, but I don't want Danny to give up the farm for anything less than the best of the best.

[CF0022]

the enthusiam is there because DA is smart.  He's still in the evaluation stage.  Always is.  If we need to add more talent we will.  We will anyways in some form.  We definately value our own players. I don't know about overvalue.  I'm not here saying AB is lebron james but I value AB quite a bit as far as what his value actually is and that's still being evaluated.  It always is.  Really loved him before we even took him and still do though. Even all those years when he was a laughing stock according to fans.  Players get better. He was a young player playing with KG and the like and had to develop which i understood. his ceiling is what it is. But he does keep getting better each year.

Ainge isn't going to make a deal that sacrifices something bigger and sell this team short though. If he feels we need to bring in more established talent he will though.

I have absolute faith in ainge that way and I don't think i'm overvaluing him.  He's made mistakes in the past. I didn't like getting rid of tony allen. Or the shaq move or Marbury but understood why he did it.

I also valued Rondo when he was here until the very end.  IT has grown on me.  I liekd the deal when we made it.   

I think Ainge cost pierce, Ray and KG another championship or 2 with some of the moves he made with Posey and TA though and not putting better pieces around Ray, Pierce and KG.  He never really did a good job of sustaining that. I understood the rebuild but he could have done a better job sustaining that in the years right after 2008.

I think Shaq and Marbury he fell into that name value a bit too much and what was being pandered by the media at the time too.   

The celtics are a much better organization now though.   I have utmost faith in what they are doing at this point.  If they make a bad move I'll say it though.

[tazzmaniac]

honestly pierce is just as good  a player as lebron too.  lebron front ran. he couldnt win in cleveland by himself either.  he went to miami then came back to cleveland when they got their **** together.  Pierce was loyal to the celtics during really tough times under pitino and jim obrien

the celtics players are not marginal.  They are underrated vs overrated players.

i 'm tred of the average person in this country thinking that too.  If the celtics have marginal players why do tehy win more than anyone?  why did wilt lose all those years to bill russell?  was tommy heinsohn marginal?  no he was underrated compared to overrated guys and a certain type of player. 

IT was the last pick in the draft.  Does that mean he's that good? no it means a lot of peopel are stupid. Ainge knew this.

i deal with people like this all the time on the intenet too. I'm always the idiot and this and that and think im better than everyone else.  When I'm sick of it. I  actually am smarter than most of you and dont think like that. A lot of people do though.

people will think what im saying here is ridiculous too. It's not. It's actually totally true.  I know how i think and I'm not a total aszhole like so many people in this country.

Marginal?? Really?  I've heard enugh from people on the internet and the stuff they think.  So disrespectful.

The celtics are the winningest team in abasketball history and their players are marginal?

Pierce was a very good player but he isn't in Lebron's league.  Lebron did quite well leading the Cavs by himself but a single player no matter how dominant can't when championships by himself.  Lebron couldn't and neither could Jordan.  Pierce couldn't win by himself.  It took trades for KG and Allen.  Pierce has said he considered leaving and without those trades I think he probably would have.  Lebron has been pretty loyal to the Cavs.  He didn't have to return.  He could have gone to any team and made them a contender. 

Ainge drafted E'twaun Moore 5 spots ahead of IT.  Ainge traded for IT because he was a productive player on a very good contract.  He didn't know IT would perform as well as he has.  If Fultz looks like the real deal as a rookie, don't be surprised if Ainge let's IT walk rather than paying him MAX.

We need stars to be a true contender.  We have a lot of good role players.  They are all expendable.  None of them are vital to our future.  Hopefully Brown or more likely Fultz does become vital to our future. 

[CF0022]

I also can't believe anything A Sherrod says either.  He has said things and been so wrong so often in the past.  The consensus from him is that of the national press that we won't get a  game.  I think Cleveland is very good.  The general consensus says that that Cleveland is better than us. I agree in that Cleveland is looking very good this year if they continue to increase their intensity.  The punched the Celtics in the mouth game one.  I did not see this huge talent disparity though. Yes cleveland may be the better.  I wouldn't count the celtics out yet though by any means. I think the celtics are one of the most talented teams in the league and they can raise their level too. They raised it earlier in the playoffs then cleveland did though and have had to play longer series. So statistically they may be more maxed out.  But  the celtics raise their level.  They had a bad game. Got outphysicalled early and started missing shots. That can turn around. 

I still think the talent level of this team is under evaluation though.   Our players are also still develping. 

I just hear A Sherrod say that stuff and it rubs me the wrong way and he's been wrong a lot in the past. I kind of agree with him there but I also don't.

We are going to add talent regardless.  How we do that is still open for debate.  I want to see how we do here.

Every year A sherrod hypes up players or pans them and  i completely disagree though and usually im right.

He goes with what the consensus is way too much.  He isn't the GM of the celtics either for  a reason. 

We are where we are for a reason.  We are talented.  What that talent disparity is remains to be seen imo.  We can still raise our level and play better. And Cleveland can play worse or better too. I tend to think it's going to be really tough to beat them and GS this year but anything is possible. 

I think the same stuff rings true.  You don't make a move that sacrifices the future although we may make a move for more established talent.   There are drawbacks to that though.  Players we have are still developing as well.

A Sherrod is the "celtics insider" but he more strikes me as a national media guy.  He has good insight sometimes but other times he's totally not in tune with what the celtics are or are trying to do. 

It's good to hear other viewpoints and I get it I think but A Sherrod is more like a celtics outsider vs an insider sometimes lol.

I do agree with him in ways there. But I wouldn't count the celtics out.

Cleveland is a better team than us right now. They are super talented and playing at a very high level.  I don't think they are u nbeatable though by any means.  We are going to have to raise our level even moreso to have a chance this series though.  It's going to be tough.  If they play their game at a very high level they are going to be very hard for us to beat.

I thought it was interesting Ainge said AB was the best player in the Chicago series.  Whether he can play at this level is still being evaluated. I definately think he can raise his game.

[ETNCeltics]

Do not get me wrong, i love the energy and passion of our fanbase, I just don't think a lot of the teams some of you would like to see would win a title.

The Lakers are always look for proven stars, Kareem, Shaq, Pau, and the like. They appear to be targeting Paul George and were upset as an organization to miss out on Cousins.

I hate the Lakers but that's swinging for the fences and living in the now and proven.

When we have a 53 win conference Finals team and I hear about keeping our under 20 year old draft picks, it drives me crazy. Why would we not want Paul George or any elite 6 ft 7 wing to go with what we have. Why not Blake or Boogie when we had the shot.

Hayward is the lesser of George/Butler/Hayward imo. Why don't we want the highest shelf guys possible. Does this fan base just love them some underdogs and homegrown guys that much? Our last title run had 3 hall of famers as the stars, it takes a lot of talent to win.

Can I get some light shed here?

You're wanting to surrender our shot at franchise players in favor of guys who are clearly not franchise players.

Who wins titles? Go back 40 years. Dr. J & Moses Malone, Larry Legend and McHale, Magic  & Kareem, Isaiah Thomas in Detroit, Jordan, Hakeem, Wade, Lebron, Duncan, Kawhi. Almost every champion for decades has featured one of the best players in the league. The only argument you can make against that since the 70s is Detroit the year they won  in 2004, and the Mavs in 2011 (not saying Nowitski wasn't one of the best players during his career, but he was in decline at that point).

George and Butler aren't those guys. They're good players, but almost everyone knows and admits they aren't getting us to the level of Cle or GS. Ainge knows this, and it's why he hasn't frittered away considerable assets chasing one of these guys. Our roster isn't good enough, with or without them, so it makes little sense to burn our shot at franchise players to acquire them.

[incoherent]

Hey yo, it's cool if you value loyalty over championships.  Most wont agree with that but nothing wrong with it. 

My wife loved Rondo and House.  Once House left all I heard was how good he was.  After Rondo left she stopped watching, she was just a fan of the players and probably preferred if they had kept Rondo not even realizing or caring about how it effects championships.

I imagine a lot of fans are like that.

[CF0022]

That's ignorant in ways though. S ome people are smarter than that.  I've been watching this team through all sorts of trades.  Probably know more than both your wife and you combined.  It's not abut valuing loyalty over championships with me.  It's about championships.   Loyalty is part of that. They go hand in hand. It's how it all works together.  Loyalty to a common goal is what it is about.

A lot of fans want to trade guys and ruin our chances at a championship too. So it goes both ways.

I think I get it in the absolute sense.

I say what I do for a reason.  BEcause people want to screw with our chances it's annoying in a lot of ways.

And yes a lot of fans are like that.  They are fans but they also either don't know or they more care abut themselevs then the celtics.

I'm human myself and wll say things sometimes to just explore different things because i dont know at that time but that's still with the intent in mind to win a championship.

In the absolute sense I usually know whats good. 

[CF0022]

Rondo was a valuable player.  I can understand people being upset.   But you are loyal to a player not the team. But being loyal to rondo is fine. I still like Rondo. I wish he'd play better sometimes. Also understood his value to us and we got his value when we traded him. We got better by getting IT as well and got that we wanted a pg that could shoot it better. Rondo was still valuable to us as a player and person.  I still value him that way.  So was Eddie House.

Great people.  I think as you mature you start to realize these things if you follow it close enough. Some people are just emotional too. I get really liking players. Rondo was a great player for us.

I also lke him as a person.

Also not saying I'm smarter than you and your wife either.  That's not an insult. just in different ways yes.

It's all how i mean it anyways.  just funny trying to explain things over the internet sometimes.

 I was loyal to rondo until the end though. I still am.  He should play better. EAsier said than donee sometimes when your role on a team and what the team is trying to do is not always in  your corner though.  I get that too.

Rondo didnt play great for us the last few years because the team was not very good and he probably knew he was on his way out.   

Same with the bulls.  Sometimes teams dont even want you playing well i would guess which sucks.

[tazzmaniac]

philadelphia has had how many #1 draft picks.  I'm really not that enamored with that and building with young players and egos like that and players that don't necessarily comprehend how to play together.  It might work it's way out.  But i'd much rather the celtics way of doing things and building something. saying the 76ers haev more talent than the celtics is also absurd. They are developing too but talent is relative that way.  They also aren't developing in ways like they should either. 

is ben simmons more talented than Jaylen? I dont know. Jaylen has to develop. So does Simmons.  I think talent wise they are a lot closer than people said.

I wanted jaylen that draft too over simmons. He fit us and our style and i also felt hs talent level was the same in different ways.

Jaylen has to develop.   Normally I'd be the crazy one for saying these things too.

This is the first time every in the history the celtics have ever had the #1 picka nd I'm excited.  They also have won more than any other team.  It's not because of marginal talent. It's because they are smart.

The Sixers only have one #1 pick: Simmons.  Embiid was a #3 pick.  Okafor was a #3 pick.  Noel, now traded, was a #6 pick.  Saric was a #12 pick.  Simmons hasn't played yet and this was the 1st season for Embiid and Saric.  Expecting the Sixers to be further along when they were in a multi-year tank with a lot of injuries doesn't make any sense.  Why not compare to the TWolves or Bucks? 

Of course Simmons has to develop but he's got more upside than Jaylen.  If you wanted to take Jaylen over Simmons, the only thing to say is thank god you're not our GM. 

[CF0022]

Some people just don't care that much either.  IT's not like this is peoples lives.  That's understandable.  That's the issue with the internet and the media is people are all over the map. Me I've been watching this team since i was a little kid and my understanding of it has grown with that. I just made up my mind that iw as goign to be a celtics fan and that's what happened.  I could probably run a team if i really wanted to. plus just stuff ingrained in me.  I've always been fair whether it sounds like it or not.  My comprehension of stuff gets misunderstood all the time on the internet though.  i absolutely get what the celtics are trying to do though.  how that all works out is still up for debate though.

But no I do not overvalue homegrown players.  At times yes why its good to talk about it and its becomes more clear as time goes by.

As a fan you get attached to players.  Even DA gets attached to players but in a more rational sense. He values his players as much as anyone though guaranteed.  It's tough trading players you develop and are part of what youa re trying to build.

I think a lot of fans don't really comprehend that.  It's about basketball and making the best moves ultimately for DA but he understands it on a much higher level than that.