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Fultz is still 18
« on: May 17, 2017, 11:29:39 AM »

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Not having to really train and push himself this season.
I think there is probably room for vast improvement in explosiveness,lateral and vertical
Jaylen talked about man strength and i am of the belief, even top picks especially young point guards
Will do better being eased in rather than thrown in.I can hear the but he is number one but he not 6-10 or 7-2
.He is just a kid- with so much to learn.The speed ,length and strength.Learning to play the right way will last his whole career.
James Young was so young and naive
Rozier was a tough kid athletic and same wingspan as Fultz and a scorer at Louisville-
He was dazed by speed of NBA
Marcus on the other hand had the experience with team USA and his defense translated with his extra year and strength.
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Re: Fultz is still 18
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2017, 11:35:01 AM »

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He's far more polished and NBA-ready than Jalen was, and Jalen gave us a significant contribution this season. The minutes he gave us night before last were invaluable. We might not have won without him.

I expect Fultz to be eased in, but I also think he'll be a bigger part of the rotation than Jalen was most of the year.

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2017, 11:38:52 AM »

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He's far more polished and NBA-ready than Jalen was, and Jalen gave us a significant contribution this season. The minutes he gave us night before last were invaluable. We might not have won without him.

I expect Fultz to be eased in, but I also think he'll be a bigger part of the rotation than Jalen was most of the year.

I disagree... Jaylen is a better defender than Fultz

Defense gets you min under cbs (especially if you are a rookie)

Cbs is not patient when it comes to defense 'nuts and bolts' , consistent effort

Not saying Fultz cant do it ... But its not easy for a rookie to do

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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2017, 11:42:21 AM »

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He's far more polished and NBA-ready than Jalen was, and Jalen gave us a significant contribution this season. The minutes he gave us night before last were invaluable. We might not have won without him.

I expect Fultz to be eased in, but I also think he'll be a bigger part of the rotation than Jalen was most of the year.

I disagree... Jaylen is a better defender than Fultz

Defense gets you min under cbs (especially if you are a rookie)

Cbs is not patient when it comes to defense 'nuts and bolts' , consistent effort

Not saying Fultz cant do it ... But its not easy for a rookie to do
Jason's actually pretty awful at defense at times.  Sure, he can't do well in man to man situations but he is STILL often lost in team defense and is STILL too jumpy. 

So no, I would not say that Jaylen is better defensively than Fultz.

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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2017, 11:44:54 AM »

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He's far more polished and NBA-ready than Jalen was, and Jalen gave us a significant contribution this season. The minutes he gave us night before last were invaluable. We might not have won without him.

I expect Fultz to be eased in, but I also think he'll be a bigger part of the rotation than Jalen was most of the year.

I disagree... Jaylen is a better defender than Fultz

Defense gets you min under cbs (especially if you are a rookie)

Cbs is not patient when it comes to defense 'nuts and bolts' , consistent effort

Not saying Fultz cant do it ... But its not easy for a rookie to do
Jason's actually pretty awful at defense at times.  Sure, he can't do well in man to man situations but he is STILL often lost in team defense and is STILL too jumpy. 

So no, I would not say that Jaylen is better defensively than Fultz.

Yes but even with all those kinks.. Jaylen Brown saves himself/gets min (important assignments) due to his extraordinary explosivensss/quickness/effort

Fultz has been said is hot and cold on the defensive end... I also believe he had to do alot for the team and was tired...
So we will see... If he can focus and play strong D... He could be good due to his physical tools

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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2017, 11:47:41 AM »

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Even with a diminished role here, I think Fultz can still win ROY. I think he'll be very very good.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2017, 11:50:56 AM »

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Even with a diminished role here, I think Fultz can still win ROY. I think he'll be very very good.

How would you divide the mins??

There is still a possibility ab, it4, smart, rozier plus fultz backcourt next year

Opportunistic/greedy danny may want to keep all so that he can have leverage in contract talks/insurance in case IT4, AB leaves

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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2017, 11:51:03 AM »

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He's far more polished and NBA-ready than Jalen was, and Jalen gave us a significant contribution this season. The minutes he gave us night before last were invaluable. We might not have won without him.

I expect Fultz to be eased in, but I also think he'll be a bigger part of the rotation than Jalen was most of the year.

I disagree... Jaylen is a better defender than Fultz

Defense gets you min under cbs (especially if you are a rookie)

Cbs is not patient when it comes to defense 'nuts and bolts' , consistent effort

Not saying Fultz cant do it ... But its not easy for a rookie to do

Tri, you're looking at the current situation rather than applying the same standards to both players.

Jaylen Brown wasn't known for his defense in college. It was known that he had the body and athleticism to play good defense but that he was out of position a lot in college. He worked his butt off once arriving because he realized that's how he was going to get on the floor.

Much the same thing is said about Fultz - out of position but with the talent and body to become a very good defender. He'll have to put in a similar effort but it'll be easier to be more forgiving with him because he'll contribute more on the offensive end.
Jaylen Brown will be an All Star in the next 5 years.

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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2017, 11:53:31 AM »

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He's far more polished and NBA-ready than Jalen was, and Jalen gave us a significant contribution this season. The minutes he gave us night before last were invaluable. We might not have won without him.

I expect Fultz to be eased in, but I also think he'll be a bigger part of the rotation than Jalen was most of the year.

I disagree... Jaylen is a better defender than Fultz

Defense gets you min under cbs (especially if you are a rookie)

Cbs is not patient when it comes to defense 'nuts and bolts' , consistent effort

Not saying Fultz cant do it ... But its not easy for a rookie to do

Tri, you're looking at the current situation rather than applying the same standards to both players.

Jaylen Brown wasn't known for his defense in college. It was known that he had the body and athleticism to play good defense but that he was out of position a lot in college. He worked his butt off once arriving because he realized that's how he was going to get on the floor.

Much the same thing is said about Fultz - out of position but with the talent and body to become a very good defender. He'll have to put in a similar effort but it'll be easier to be more forgiving with him because he'll contribute more on the offensive end.

I actually didnt expect alot from Brown

I thought he would get min here and there and start playing more next season

But looking at rozier and brown progression...defense is key to unlock playing time for youngsters...

Re: Fultz is still 18
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2017, 11:59:14 AM »

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He gets to learn NBA offense from IT and NBA defense from AB and Smart. Let that sink in

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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2017, 11:59:16 AM »

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He's far more polished and NBA-ready than Jalen was, and Jalen gave us a significant contribution this season. The minutes he gave us night before last were invaluable. We might not have won without him.

I expect Fultz to be eased in, but I also think he'll be a bigger part of the rotation than Jalen was most of the year.

I disagree... Jaylen is a better defender than Fultz

Defense gets you min under cbs (especially if you are a rookie)

Cbs is not patient when it comes to defense 'nuts and bolts' , consistent effort

Not saying Fultz cant do it ... But its not easy for a rookie to do
I thhink you will really like Fultz triboy. He had 0 shooters on his team last year and had a horrible coach that literally did everything one would do if they were trying to sabotage a player lol. Even with 0 spacing and defenses all over him he still smoothly beasted teams in every way possible. Personally, I can't wait to see how insane he plays with a team of well coached players that shoot the hell out of the ball and have great spacing.
Defensively I feel like he will do fine bc of our coach, culture, vets, and the gifts he was born with(6'10'' wingspan and 8'6'' standing reach).

Fultz has made large strides in every season since he was cut from varsity as a soph in hs. Like Brown he has such a good head on his shoulders and is an incredibly hard worker.

Most of all Fultz had pride and we need to remember that this kid is competitive and wants to be ROY and a great player. I see him workign his ass off this off-season to make himself defensively sound bc on our team and CBS if you can't play sound D then he knows he won't even play enough to be in the convo for ROY or anything else.

Re: Fultz is still 18
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2017, 12:01:20 PM »

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He's far more polished and NBA-ready than Jalen was, and Jalen gave us a significant contribution this season. The minutes he gave us night before last were invaluable. We might not have won without him.

I expect Fultz to be eased in, but I also think he'll be a bigger part of the rotation than Jalen was most of the year.

I disagree... Jaylen is a better defender than Fultz

Defense gets you min under cbs (especially if you are a rookie)

Cbs is not patient when it comes to defense 'nuts and bolts' , consistent effort

Not saying Fultz cant do it ... But its not easy for a rookie to do

Tri, you're looking at the current situation rather than applying the same standards to both players.

Jaylen Brown wasn't known for his defense in college. It was known that he had the body and athleticism to play good defense but that he was out of position a lot in college. He worked his butt off once arriving because he realized that's how he was going to get on the floor.

Much the same thing is said about Fultz - out of position but with the talent and body to become a very good defender. He'll have to put in a similar effort but it'll be easier to be more forgiving with him because he'll contribute more on the offensive end.

I actually didnt expect alot from Brown

I thought he would get min here and there and start playing more next season

But looking at rozier and brown progression...defense is key to unlock playing time for youngsters...
I thhink you will really like Fultz triboy. He had 0 shooters on his team last year and had a horrible coach that literally did everything one would do if they were trying to sabotage a player lol. Even with 0 spacing and defenses all over him he still smoothly beasted teams in every way possible. Personally, I can't wait to see how insane he plays with a team of well coached players that shoot the hell out of the ball and have great spacing.
Defensively I feel like he will do fine bc of our coach, culture, vets, and the gifts he was born with(6'10'' wingspan and 8'6'' standing reach).

Fultz has made large strides in every season since he was cut from varsity as a soph in hs. Like Brown he has such a good head on his shoulders and is an incredibly hard worker.

Most of all Fultz had pride and we need to remember that this kid is competitive and wants to be ROY and a great player. I see him workign his ass off this off-season to make himself defensively sound bc on our team and CBS if you can't play sound D then he knows he won't even play enough to be in the convo for ROY or anything else.

Re: Fultz is still 18
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2017, 12:05:25 PM »

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"What Lorenzo Romar did to Fultz's freshman season was a basketball tragedy."

"Fultz was born to play in a spread pick-and-roll system surrounded by shooters, giving him space to operate. Romar, instead, chose to keep the floor cramped with two non-shooting big men for most of Fultz's minutes. It's a miracle Fultz was still somehow able to find room, but he had to have perfect possessions every single trip down the floor in order for the Huskies to get a clean look at the rim."

SITUATIONAL ANALYSIS..From a concise piece written on draft.net

http://www.nbadraft.net/situational-analysis-markelle-fultz


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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2017, 12:10:23 PM »

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"What Lorenzo Romar did to Fultz's freshman season was a basketball tragedy."

"Fultz was born to play in a spread pick-and-roll system surrounded by shooters, giving him space to operate. Romar, instead, chose to keep the floor cramped with two non-shooting big men for most of Fultz's minutes. It's a miracle Fultz was still somehow able to find room, but he had to have perfect possessions every single trip down the floor in order for the Huskies to get a clean look at the rim."

SITUATIONAL ANALYSIS..From a concise piece written on draft.net

http://www.nbadraft.net/situational-analysis-markelle-fultz


A spread pick-and-roll system surrounded by shooters?  Sign me up!

TP for the share.

Re: Fultz is still 18
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2017, 12:20:11 PM »

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Fultz is long, athletic, and has a good bbiq. I have little doubt he'll be a good defender. Probably not day one, but he will be over time.

Splitting minutes up isn't going to be the chore some think it is. At least one of our perimeter players won't be here next year.