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Re: If Colangelo calls looking for 1
« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2017, 02:45:54 PM »

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I'd tell him that we could do another deal:

Marcus Smart plus other prospects
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Jahlil Okafor

I wanted to do this trade for about a year but wish we had done it at the deadline (obv Philly would need to ok it). 99% of CB said that they would NOT do that trade when there was a thread on it at the deadline.
Having Fultz and Jaylen Brown (and Rozier) taking the minutes at the 1-2-3 is just going to happen IMO. Marcus Smart (former #6 pick) would be a good guy to trade to the sixers for their former, and so far underachieving, #3 overall pick.
How does this trade help the C's exactly? It removes on of our best perimeter defenderail for a guy who can't rebound or play defense or stretch the floor.

How do you follow basketball and not realize that Smart has a ton more value around the league than Okafor? I am so confused how people can care enough to follow the Celtics, but not enough to loosely know what is going on with players they propose trading for.

1) Okafor had a horrible season and was thoroughly outplayed by Holmes over the course of the season.
2) His defense is absolutely horrible in both effort and physical skills and has been broken down by just about every writer that loosely covers the 76ers
3) He continues to severely struggle with injury concerns having knee problems from an apparently botched minor knee procedure over a year ago that was supposed to have a 6 week recovery period and has given him continued soreness and caused him to miss games. It is unclear if he needs another surgery or what can be done.
4) Related to 3, but an ongoing issue going back to college is that he has serious conditioning issues and gets winded as the game goes on. It is unclear if this is laziness, body type or something else.
5) They desperately tried to trade him at the deadline and may have agreed in principle to a top 20 protected first round pick for him. Other trades were made (specifically the Portland/Denver exchange of centers and the Cousins trade) that made no team interested in him. This created the very awkward situation of having him come back to the team after a trade has been announced.
6) With the emergence of Holmes and Embiid apparently healthy, there are very limited minutes for Okafor further depressing his opportunity to disprove all the points above.

Now we have people that are still suggesting we trade Smart, who if nothing else is an elite defender that has shown he can play serious minutes and help a team that made the ECF, plus apparently something else for a poor rebounding, poorly conditioned, horrible defensive players with ongoing injury concerns and an established value of late first round pick. I mean come on.....Lets trade Jerebro for Kevin Love while we are at it.
Smart is just a different version of Tony Allen, maybe better/maybe not.  He does have more value around the league and on here than Okafor which is why I proposed it because it is more realistically going to be accepted than proposing a JUackson for Okafor trade.

He could be so much better had he gotten quicker and developed as the PG I thought he could be. After reading your post it seems you do not even know the reasons why Marcus was drafted over Randle and why he was such a great prospect coming into the League.

He has the worst recorded body fat % out of any PG(taken in the lottery) in DX history, which lead me to believe he would actually improve his first-step quickness by now...especially because all we hear is how hard of a worker he is. I wrote about my feelings towards Marcus and how he had a great opportunity to improve as a player because of his physical gifts MARCUS SMART IS THE MOST POWERFUL PG in the NBA, which went over everything from bench press(which he also dominated in as a pg in all time combine testing) to all of his athletic&measurement testing. Instead, Smart has only gained weight and is probably 10-15lbs overweight right now. Which is a shame because he could be so quick and powerful had he not pulled a Sully. This is all coming from someone who was rooting for the Celtic's to draft either him or Randle. Though, it was Smart who showed to have the most potential when you took his athletic&measurement testing into consideration. Marcus would have done himself a major favor by showing up to camp at 215lbs and have a playing weight of 210lbs or under.

If Fultz is drafted he will take all the backup pg minutes and a good amount of the sg minutes away from Smart. Then we will have Jaylen, who may even take a step up in his game in the off-season, but should be getting more time at the 2/3. Then we have Rozier, who should be ready to take on more minutes next year and is on a decent contract, and has the ability to create and has a quicker first step than Smart.

Where is this elite defender going to get minutes next year? I will bet you TP's that Fultz and Brown get minutes over him at the 1,2,3 next year.



Re: If Colangelo calls looking for 1
« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2017, 02:53:00 PM »

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Wouldn't want Embiid either. He's got Andrew Bynum knees written all over him.


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Re: Colangelo calls looking for 1
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2017, 06:35:25 PM »

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#3 plus better of 2018 PHI/LA 1st, plus better of 2019 PHI/SAC 1st.

This to start. To me, making a deal for the overall #1 has to be in the ballpark of the Chris Weber/Penny Hardaway trade. That deal was:

Magic — Traded Chris Webber to Warriors for Anfernee Hardaway (#3  overall pick), 1996 first round pick (#11-Todd Fuller), 1998 first round pick (#13-Keon Clark), 2000 first round pick (#5-Mike Miller). We'd be looking for something similar - the "Godfather" type of deal.

This. 

Ask for the moon.
3 future picks that you have no idea where they will be isn't the moon. I'd much rather have much more concrete assets like Saric, Lakers pick, etc.

A)  I don't expect Ainge to move the pick

B)  I don't expect Colangelo to give up a godfather offer to move up two spots.

Also, Granath was simply sharing the history of the GSW/ORL trade.  I'm assuming the dynamics of a BOS-PHL trade would be different  & not simply a boatload of down the road 1st rounders.  Danny would be smarter than that, IMO.  He knows PHL is trending upwards.
i rhunk Ainge woukd mive the pick but not really this sort of trade i.e. George or Butler type deal. As for the Sixers, there are 2 tip level PG's in the draft and they desperately need a PG. At 3 they get a wing or a much lesser PG prospect format reason I can totally see them making a pretty rich trade to land Fultz and not be stuck with Fox or Jackson.
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