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Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2017, 10:08:05 PM »

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If we call them and say "Hey would you like to trade Anthony Davis for Fultz?" there will be a long awkward pause and then they say "we thought you were going to add the word 'and' and then follow that with something else" and then they hang up.

If we call them and say "Hey would you like to trade Anthony Davis for Fultz and...." and the next words are something like "Jaylen Brown" or "The Nets 2018 pick" then they say "We'll think about it a little and maybe get back to you" and hang up and then realistically they don't get back to us.

If we add Marcus Smart to the list they get back to us and maybe start haggling within 48 hours.

That's how that would work.

Davis for Fultz, Smart and BRK 2018?

Get it done.


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Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2017, 10:10:44 PM »

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The Kings got Hield and the #10 pick for Cousins which was a decent return,  If Ainge wasn't interested in trading for Cousins at the deadline, I don't see why he would now.  I think NOP would definitely trade Cousins for the #1 pick.  Cousins is on his last year and could just walk versus Fultz who they'd have for the next 8 years.  You'd have to offer a lot more than Fultz to get NOP to consider trading Davis. 

Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2017, 10:12:03 PM »

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If we call them and say "Hey would you like to trade Anthony Davis for Fultz?" there will be a long awkward pause and then they say "we thought you were going to add the word 'and' and then follow that with something else" and then they hang up.

If we call them and say "Hey would you like to trade Anthony Davis for Fultz and...." and the next words are something like "Jaylen Brown" or "The Nets 2018 pick" then they say "We'll think about it a little and maybe get back to you" and hang up and then realistically they don't get back to us.

If we add Marcus Smart to the list they get back to us and maybe start haggling within 48 hours.

That's how that would work.

Davis for Fultz, Smart and BRK 2018?

Get it done.
I think they'd have to start thinking about it at that point

Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2017, 10:14:46 PM »

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If we call them and say "Hey would you like to trade Anthony Davis for Fultz?" there will be a long awkward pause and then they say "we thought you were going to add the word 'and' and then follow that with something else" and then they hang up.

If we call them and say "Hey would you like to trade Anthony Davis for Fultz and...." and the next words are something like "Jaylen Brown" or "The Nets 2018 pick" then they say "We'll think about it a little and maybe get back to you" and hang up and then realistically they don't get back to us.

If we add Marcus Smart to the list they get back to us and maybe start haggling within 48 hours.

That's how that would work.

Davis for Fultz, Smart and BRK 2018?

Get it done.
I think you might have to add a Jaylen Brown and a Terry Rozier.

Then you got IT, Horford, and A Davis. And what? AB and Crowder? And a free agent?

Things start getting interesting somewhere around there I say

Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2017, 10:14:49 PM »

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Man, if they said they'd give us Davis for both Brooklyn picks and something like Rozier and Yab, I think I'd have to do it. You just can't pass up on a MVP-level guy like Davis.

Not sure I'd add any more than that, though.

That's easy money.

Fultz may be a great player, but Anthony Davis is already one, and not even anywhere near his prime.

You can literally build your team around Davis.

I would definitely add more; Pelicans aren't going to budge for picks as main assets. They would ask for any of the following in a deal: Crowder, Bradley, Smart, Yabusele, and even Isaiah Thomas.
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Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2017, 10:15:31 PM »

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Davis .....is worth the BIG trade ......YES

Fultz , 2018 , Rozier / and one of Crowder or AB.

keep Smart and Brown.

and you can bet ....Magic Johnson will trade his rookies and 2 nd pick in a heart beat for Davis too.

Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2017, 10:19:33 PM »

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Just a random guess, but I don't think Danny is giving up the #1 for Cousins.

NOP isn't trading Davis.

Yup. Its a delusion to think otherwise.

Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2017, 10:20:19 PM »

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Team simply don't trade their young franchise stars unless their contract is close to being up and it's clear they will lose them for nothing. The only other chance of it happening is the star starts openly rebelling.

Just because a Fultz/Davis deal is "fair" on paper, you're not considering how franchises work in the real world as opposed to a video game. An organization has built their entire future around Davis. To trade him now would be an admission of failure and a slap in the face to all the fans. It would be giving up before they have any need to give up. It would be dooming them to tack on at least a few more years to the rebuild when they've already been rebuilding for years now since losing Paul. That's why it just doesn't happen. They will try to win with Davis and use up as much of his prime years as possible, until it's not clear if they will lose him in free agency. Then and only then will they consider dealing him.



Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2017, 10:21:47 PM »

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If we call them and say "Hey would you like to trade Anthony Davis for Fultz?" there will be a long awkward pause and then they say "we thought you were going to add the word 'and' and then follow that with something else" and then they hang up.

If we call them and say "Hey would you like to trade Anthony Davis for Fultz and...." and the next words are something like "Jaylen Brown" or "The Nets 2018 pick" then they say "We'll think about it a little and maybe get back to you" and hang up and then realistically they don't get back to us.

If we add Marcus Smart to the list they get back to us and maybe start haggling within 48 hours.

That's how that would work.

Davis for Fultz, Smart and BRK 2018?

Get it done.
I'm not sure that would get it done.  If Davis goes on the market with 3 years left on his contract, there would be a lot of interest. 

Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2017, 10:22:20 PM »

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What is the obsession for trading a phenomenal talent like Fultz? We likely have a franchise player and the 1st thing some fans want to do is ditch him. Barring injury problems, the kid is about as close to can't-miss as you'll ever see.

Granted, Davis is probably the most coveted player in the NBA, and NO isn't trading him. Even if we could convince them to trade AD, we'd have to gut most everything of value we have. I'd rather have our young players and picks than Anthony Davis and a bunch of role players.


Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2017, 10:37:18 PM »

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The Kings got Hield and the #10 pick for Cousins which was a decent return,  If Ainge wasn't interested in trading for Cousins at the deadline, I don't see why he would now.  I think NOP would definitely trade Cousins for the #1 pick.  Cousins is on his last year and could just walk versus Fultz who they'd have for the next 8 years.  You'd have to offer a lot more than Fultz to get NOP to consider trading Davis.

I believe the claim is that Divac never contacted Ainge and gave him a chance to put together an offer. 

Rumours I hear is that they really liked Hield (for whatever reason) and the price would have been much higher if it was any other package.

Funny how people are all in on trading Fultz, 2018 1st and more for Davis, but are strongly against trading #1 for Cousins.

You guys do realise that Cousins is every bit as good as Davis, right?  Cousins just has the red flag of his personality which brings him down a bit, but Davis has the red flag of his significant injury history which isn't much more promising.

And people can't bring up Cousin's lack of winning either, because the Pelicans have been almost exclusively garbage the whole time Davis has been there - he's not led them much further then Cousins has led the Kings.

I'm not saying I'd trade Fultz for Cousins, but [dang] - I'd have to seriously think about it.  We're talking about a 27/10 guy here - an MVP calibre talent.

Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2017, 10:44:46 PM »

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To answer the OP's question: No.

As others have said, New Orleans isn't trading Davis. And they're right not to.
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Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2017, 10:53:17 PM »

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What is the obsession for trading a phenomenal talent like Fultz? We likely have a franchise player and the 1st thing some fans want to do is ditch him. Barring injury problems, the kid is about as close to can't-miss as you'll ever see.

You know what, I tend to agree with you.

I mean look - we've had multiple guys put up big numbers in college who didn't amount to much.  Buddy Hield, Doug McDermott, JJ Reddick, etc. 

But the key difference is that all of those guys put up big numbers in their senior years, at the age of 21-22 years old, after 3-4 years college experience.  And on top of that all of those guys were just pure scorers who we poor defenders, who had average athleticism, and who didn't really offer much of another dimension to their game.

Fultz for a guard is tall, long, strong, athletic.  He's putting up 23/6/6 and shooting 40% from three as an 18 year old freshman.  It's extremely rare to see a guy his age put up those kind of numbers while also being a strong defensive player on top of that. 

He's probably the most surefire star since Lebron and Durant, and we have him guaranteed for at least the next 4 years, probably 8 - and even at that 8 year mark he'll still only be 26 with upside still to come. 

So I can see your point, and I think it's a fair call.  It's hard to imagine many (if any) players in the league right now who you'd give that up for. 



Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2017, 11:00:48 PM »

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The Kings got Hield and the #10 pick for Cousins which was a decent return,  If Ainge wasn't interested in trading for Cousins at the deadline, I don't see why he would now.  I think NOP would definitely trade Cousins for the #1 pick.  Cousins is on his last year and could just walk versus Fultz who they'd have for the next 8 years.  You'd have to offer a lot more than Fultz to get NOP to consider trading Davis.

I believe the claim is that Divac never contacted Ainge and gave him a chance to put together an offer. 

Rumours I hear is that they really liked Hield (for whatever reason) and the price would have been much higher if it was any other package.

Funny how people are all in on trading Fultz, 2018 1st and more for Davis, but are strongly against trading #1 for Cousins.

You guys do realise that Cousins is every bit as good as Davis, right?  Cousins just has the red flag of his personality which brings him down a bit, but Davis has the red flag of his significant injury history which isn't much more promising.

And people can't bring up Cousin's lack of winning either, because the Pelicans have been almost exclusively garbage the whole time Davis has been there - he's not led them much further then Cousins has led the Kings.

I'm not saying I'd trade Fultz for Cousins, but [dang] - I'd have to seriously think about it.  We're talking about a 27/10 guy here - an MVP calibre talent.
I said Ainge wasn't interested in Cousins not that I was not interested.  He'd make us a contender if he didn't go off the rails.  The problem with trading for Cousins or PG now is that they could be 1 year rentals. 

Re: Would New Orleans consider dealing Davis for the #1 pick?
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2017, 07:51:19 AM »

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I believe Cousins will on the table in 12 months time after this duo fails to work. 12 months after that, I think AD will be available when NOP have failed to build a quality team around him.

I think those two junctures are the points where Ainge can and should pursue either one of them. When their trade values will be significantly lower than now.