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Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2017, 11:10:27 PM »

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You don't foul when a team is down 2 and let them have a free chance to tie at the line. Especially with an 86% ft shooter.

Dude just emotional right now. Seriously I called it in my head. Once they called timeout I said to myself. "Guard the 3!!! , They're going for the win not the tie". So my emotional reaction is to foul. Overtime is better than losing like that with the Wall Dagger.
Traditionally you go for the win at home. OT on the road.

Dude, unless im reading it wrong, i might be, the home team always goes for the tie if they are down. Road team goes for the win.
THIS is the traditional approach
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Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2017, 12:21:00 AM »

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You don't foul when a team is down 2 and let them have a free chance to tie at the line. Especially with an 86% ft shooter.

Dude just emotional right now. Seriously I called it in my head. Once they called timeout I said to myself. "Guard the 3!!! , They're going for the win not the tie". So my emotional reaction is to foul. Overtime is better than losing like that with the Wall Dagger.
Traditionally you go for the win at home. OT on the road.

Dude, unless im reading it wrong, i might be, the home team always goes for the tie if they are down. Road team goes for the win.
Yeah Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline., I typed that wrong.

I was surprised to see him go for 3.

Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2017, 12:21:21 AM »

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I just wish AB was up on him tighter.

Just too much room when AB has the ability to stay with him.
You have to play defense.  Avery gets up on Wall and he blows by him with ease.  Obviously we'd take that NOW, but I'll take a 30 ft 3-pointer from Wall all day long.  He just happened to make it.

I agree. I'd much rather give Wall a long 3 with a hand in his face than let him drive to the basket and either A) get fouled or B) get a much easier shot. Awful loss for us considering we were up 5 with the ball with 1:25 left, but that particular sequence (Wall's game-winner) didn't bother me from a strategic standpoint.

Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2017, 12:24:10 AM »

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I just wish AB was up on him tighter.

Just too much room when AB has the ability to stay with him.
You have to play defense.  Avery gets up on Wall and he blows by him with ease.  Obviously we'd take that NOW, but I'll take a 30 ft 3-pointer from Wall all day long.  He just happened to make it.

I agree. I'd much rather give Wall a long 3 with a hand in his face than let him drive to the basket and either A) get fouled or B) get a much easier shot. Awful loss for us considering we were up 5 with the ball with 1:25 left, but that particular sequence (Wall's game-winner) didn't bother me from a strategic standpoint.

Yeah hand in his face would've been nice.

Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2017, 12:34:32 AM »

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I just wish AB was up on him tighter.

Just too much room when AB has the ability to stay with him.
You have to play defense.  Avery gets up on Wall and he blows by him with ease.  Obviously we'd take that NOW, but I'll take a 30 ft 3-pointer from Wall all day long.  He just happened to make it.

I agree. I'd much rather give Wall a long 3 with a hand in his face than let him drive to the basket and either A) get fouled or B) get a much easier shot. Awful loss for us considering we were up 5 with the ball with 1:25 left, but that particular sequence (Wall's game-winner) didn't bother me from a strategic standpoint.

Yeah hand in his face would've been nice.

That's the thing, a couple of inches forward wouldve been a good contest while still allowing space for the drive. They didn't respect Wall's shot.

Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2017, 12:38:23 AM »

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I just wish AB was up on him tighter.

Just too much room when AB has the ability to stay with him.
You have to play defense.  Avery gets up on Wall and he blows by him with ease.  Obviously we'd take that NOW, but I'll take a 30 ft 3-pointer from Wall all day long.  He just happened to make it.

I agree. I'd much rather give Wall a long 3 with a hand in his face than let him drive to the basket and either A) get fouled or B) get a much easier shot. Awful loss for us considering we were up 5 with the ball with 1:25 left, but that particular sequence (Wall's game-winner) didn't bother me from a strategic standpoint.

Yeah hand in his face would've been nice.
I feel like we should have trapped him and left Otto or whoever it was with the open shot. I bet he wouldnt have even passed it and would have chucked up a bad shot. Oh well shoulda couldas are easy after the fact.
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Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2017, 12:45:54 AM »

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You don't give him a three or a two. You definitely guard him much closer than Bradley did. Wall basically took two dribbles uncontested and took a wide open three. You play solid position D and let him beat you and tie the game with a two and beat you by getting fouled and tying the game with two foul shots, one of which, or both, he may have missed.

What you don't do is give him and uncontested three to beat you - that is stupid.

Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2017, 12:48:58 AM »

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Even if he got around Bradley, which is not guaranteed, he may have shot a two or passed. He may not have made the contested two or if he passed it may have gotten picked off or the guy receiving it would have far more rushed and under pressure - all good things.

Again, giving them an uncontested three is the very last thing you should allow to happen.   

Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2017, 12:51:33 AM »

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I just wish AB was up on him tighter.

Just too much room when AB has the ability to stay with him.
You have to play defense.  Avery gets up on Wall and he blows by him with ease.  Obviously we'd take that NOW, but I'll take a 30 ft 3-pointer from Wall all day long.  He just happened to make it.

I agree. I'd much rather give Wall a long 3 with a hand in his face than let him drive to the basket and either A) get fouled or B) get a much easier shot. Awful loss for us considering we were up 5 with the ball with 1:25 left, but that particular sequence (Wall's game-winner) didn't bother me from a strategic standpoint.

Yeah hand in his face would've been nice.
I feel like we should have trapped him and left Otto or whoever it was with the open shot. I bet he wouldnt have even passed it and would have chucked up a bad shot. Oh well shoulda couldas are easy after the fact.

I don't think he would've passed it either, but even then that would've opened up so many more ways it could've gone wrong, not least of which is a rushed shot by a role player.

As soon as AB dropped behind the line, I just had a knot in my throat....and it was over.

And I know the standard strategy of going for the tie or win, and yeah we were up a game, but without the ball, I'd just as well go another 5 minutes and not take the chance. I wasn't buying the beers tonight anyway. Totally wrong strategy.

Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2017, 01:11:52 AM »

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AB shouldve defended closer. While it was happening I was screaming at bradley for sagging too much.

I don't know, you can't expect Wall to pull up with that much time left. Especially when he's been driving so well.

Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2017, 01:29:07 AM »

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You don't foul when a team is down 2 and let them have a free chance to tie at the line. Especially with an 86% ft shooter.

Dude just emotional right now. Seriously I called it in my head. Once they called timeout I said to myself. "Guard the 3!!! , They're going for the win not the tie". So my emotional reaction is to foul. Overtime is better than losing like that with the Wall Dagger.
Traditionally you go for the win at home. OT on the road.
You have this backwards.  You go for OT at home since you figure with your crowd you have the better odds in OT.

Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2017, 01:46:00 AM »

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AB shouldve defended closer. While it was happening I was screaming at bradley for sagging too much.

I don't know, you can't expect Wall to pull up with that much time left. Especially when he's been driving so well.

How can you not? When you are down you dont wait until the last second to hit your shot, you must account for a miss and a chance for the rebound.

Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2017, 04:30:59 AM »

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I just wish AB was up on him tighter.

Just too much room when AB has the ability to stay with him.
You have to play defense.  Avery gets up on Wall and he blows by him with ease.  Obviously we'd take that NOW, but I'll take a 30 ft 3-pointer from Wall all day long.  He just happened to make it.

That is all wrong...why let a 30 ft open shot there when Wall has the range to hit it..let Wall drive and hit a difficult contested 2 pointer is what AB should have done rather than game over 3 which had happened.

Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2017, 09:17:56 AM »

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I just wish AB was up on him tighter.

Just too much room when AB has the ability to stay with him.
You have to play defense.  Avery gets up on Wall and he blows by him with ease.  Obviously we'd take that NOW, but I'll take a 30 ft 3-pointer from Wall all day long.  He just happened to make it.


That is all wrong...why let a 30 ft open shot there when Wall has the range to hit it..let Wall drive and hit a difficult contested 2 pointer is what AB should have done rather than game over 3 which had happened.


YEs a 30 foot three pointer from a guy who shoots 30% and is having a meh shooting night. If the Celtics had a legit rim protector, you might have an argument, but we don't, so AB has to play that middle ground defense. He still contested it, but Wall is one of the quickest guards in the league and AB is also dealing with hip flexors.

Re: Should have fouled
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2017, 12:54:40 PM »

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You don't foul when a team is down 2 and let them have a free chance to tie at the line. Especially with an 86% ft shooter.

Correct.  You NEVER foul in that situation.  You learn that as a child.