Hawks,Toronto,Indy have all maxed out. Time for Danny to work trade magic

[rondohondo]

I don't see how any of them can legitimately make their roster a title contender before their core pieces are past their prime.

So with that being said,Danny could take advantage of some talent on those teams, and improve some weaknesses.

Paul George
Valanciunas
Howard

Derozen?

Then of course Millsapp is a FA, we could steal him too.

PG13 would obviously be my first choice. If you can sign Millsap and then trade Crowder,Smart and brk 17 for George, we are contenders

IT.          Rozier
AB       vet min
George.   Jaylen
Millsap.    Yabu
Horford     zicic

[Eddie20]

I don't see how any of them can legitimately make their roster a title contender before their core pieces are past their prime.

So with that being said,Danny could take advantage of some talent on those teams, and improve some weaknesses.

Paul George
Valanciunas
Howard

Derozen?

Then of course Millsapp is a FA, we could steal him too.

PG13 would obviously be my first choice. If you can sign Millsap and then trade Crowder,Smart and brk 17 for George, we are contenders

IT.          Rozier
AB       vet min
George.   Jaylen
Millsap.    Yabu
Horford     zicic

Don't think DeRozen fits. He's a ball stopper who loves taking long 2's off isolation.

[mctyson]

I don't see how any of them can legitimately make their roster a title contender before their core pieces are past their prime.

So with that being said,Danny could take advantage of some talent on those teams, and improve some weaknesses.

Paul George
Valanciunas
Howard

Derozen?

Then of course Millsapp is a FA, we could steal him too.

PG13 would obviously be my first choice. If you can sign Millsap and then trade Crowder,Smart and brk 17 for George, we are contenders

IT.          Rozier
AB       vet min
George.   Jaylen
Millsap.    Yabu
Horford     zicic

Toronto isn't maxed.  They have some tradable players and could quickly retool or rebuild.

Atlanta also has flexibility, though no one really wants their players.

Indy is in the worst shape.  They can spin out George to get some youth to build with Turner, but that means they are basically tanking.

[mr. dee]

No to Howard and Valenciunas. We need agile bigs, not stiff dinosaurs who are clueless in the perimeter.

[jakeopp]

Curry >> IT
Klay >>> Bradley
KD >> George
Green >> Millsap
? <<<< Horford


How is this team a contender? The only position where they aren't significanly better is at center.

Just use the picks...no point in selling out for a short windows to lose to Lebron or GSW

[Bucketgetter]

Curry >> IT
Klay >>> Bradley
KD >> George
Green >> Millsap
? <<<< Horford


How is this team a contender? The only position where they aren't significanly better is at center.

Just use the picks...no point in selling out for a short windows to lose to Lebron or GSW

Everyone is worse than Golden State on paper.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I don't see how any of them can legitimately make their roster a title contender before their core pieces are past their prime.

So with that being said,Danny could take advantage of some talent on those teams, and improve some weaknesses.

Paul George
Valanciunas
Howard

Derozen?

Then of course Millsapp is a FA, we could steal him too.

PG13 would obviously be my first choice. If you can sign Millsap and then trade Crowder,Smart and brk 17 for George, we are contenders

IT.          Rozier
AB       vet min
George.   Jaylen
Millsap.    Yabu
Horford     zicic

Paul George has a PO after next season...exactly the same time we would need to sign IT and AB. He will probably leave for LA....so giving up the BKN pick for a season of his services is similar in result but worse than the Joe Johnson trade

Also ATL hjas said Howard can be had for a 2nd rounder and cap relief....

IMO if we draft Fultz the best option is to trade IT and AB this summer, along with others. Get Jabari, Jahlil Okafor and etc..then go into the next draft with 2 top 5 picks.

[byennie]

Toronto isn't maxed.  They have some tradable players and could quickly retool or rebuild.

Atlanta also has flexibility, though no one really wants their players.

Indy is in the worst shape.  They can spin out George to get some youth to build with Turner, but that means they are basically tanking.

How do you figure?

Toronto is losing Lowry, Ibaka, Tucker, and Patterson, and they don't even have cap room. Their only young player with upside is Poeltl and their pick is #23.

Next year they owe $58M to the Big 3 of DeMar, Demarre and Jonas V.

They're not signing any big FA to play in Canada.

They didn't just peak, they're in danger of falling off a cliff.

[jakeopp]

I don't see how any of them can legitimately make their roster a title contender before their core pieces are past their prime.

So with that being said,Danny could take advantage of some talent on those teams, and improve some weaknesses.

Paul George
Valanciunas
Howard

Derozen?

Then of course Millsapp is a FA, we could steal him too.

PG13 would obviously be my first choice. If you can sign Millsap and then trade Crowder,Smart and brk 17 for George, we are contenders

IT.          Rozier
AB       vet min
George.   Jaylen
Millsap.    Yabu
Horford     zicic

Paul George has a PO after next season...exactly the same time we would need to sign IT and AB. He will probably leave for LA....so giving up the BKN pick for a season of his services is similar in result but worse than the Joe Johnson trade

Also ATL hjas said Howard can be had for a 2nd rounder and cap relief....

IMO if we draft Fultz the best option is to trade IT and AB this summer, along with others. Get Jabari, Jahlil Okafor and etc..then go into the next draft with 2 top 5 picks.

Have you actually seen Jahlil Okafor play lol

[trickybilly]

I don't see how any of them can legitimately make their roster a title contender before their core pieces are past their prime.

So with that being said,Danny could take advantage of some talent on those teams, and improve some weaknesses.

Paul George
Valanciunas
Howard

Derozen?

Then of course Millsapp is a FA, we could steal him too.

PG13 would obviously be my first choice. If you can sign Millsap and then trade Crowder,Smart and brk 17 for George, we are contenders

IT.          Rozier
AB       vet min
George.   Jaylen
Millsap.    Yabu
Horford     zicic

Paul George has a PO after next season...exactly the same time we would need to sign IT and AB. He will probably leave for LA....so giving up the BKN pick for a season of his services is similar in result but worse than the Joe Johnson trade

Also ATL hjas said Howard can be had for a 2nd rounder and cap relief....

IMO if we draft Fultz the best option is to trade IT and AB this summer, along with others. Get Jabari, Jahlil Okafor and etc..then go into the next draft with 2 top 5 picks.

Yeah, I get the temptation to dramaticallly spice things up after such a demoralizing loss, but Jahlil Okafor? erm, OK, as a reclamation project for like a second round pick maybe??

Still love Jabari though, Milwaukee may be willing to trade him away too. I wonder if the Bucks would entertain an IT for Jabari trade?

[Ilikesports17]

I don't see how any of them can legitimately make their roster a title contender before their core pieces are past their prime.

So with that being said,Danny could take advantage of some talent on those teams, and improve some weaknesses.

Paul George
Valanciunas
Howard

Derozen?

Then of course Millsapp is a FA, we could steal him too.

PG13 would obviously be my first choice. If you can sign Millsap and then trade Crowder,Smart and brk 17 for George, we are contenders

IT.          Rozier
AB       vet min
George.   Jaylen
Millsap.    Yabu
Horford     zicic

Paul George has a PO after next season...exactly the same time we would need to sign IT and AB. He will probably leave for LA....so giving up the BKN pick for a season of his services is similar in result but worse than the Joe Johnson trade

Also ATL hjas said Howard can be had for a 2nd rounder and cap relief....

IMO if we draft Fultz the best option is to trade IT and AB this summer, along with others. Get Jabari, Jahlil Okafor and etc..then go into the next draft with 2 top 5 picks.

Yeah, I get the temptation to dramaticallly spice things up after such a demoralizing loss, but Jahlil Okafor? erm, OK, as a reclamation project for like a second round pick maybe??

Still love Jabari though, Milwaukee may be willing to trade him away too. I wonder if the Bucks would entertain an IT for Jabari trade?

@futureowner
Isaiah Thomas is too much of a defensive liability so your plan is to go get 2 of the guys who are actually worse than Thomas on that side of the ball? really?
2. I imagine Milwaukee would do Parker for Thomas. Jabari is a talented player, but he is just as bad as Thomas on defense and even pre-double acl tears he was never likely to be as good as Thomas on offense. Hes torn the same ACL twice. That is absolutely devastating to a player's career. Only reason they would hesitate is that Parker is an RFA next year and Thomas is a UFA. Thomas fits better, is better, and hasnt torn the same ACL twice. As for us?

I dont like it. Thomas is a star. Trading him for damaged goods would p--- the whole team off.

Plus with Al Avery, Jae and Marcus, Im not sure youd even be bad enough to suck your way into the top 5.

A Fultz/Smart/Rozier/Brown/Parker/Zizic base of talent would be tantalizing, but how many of them would really pan out? neither Fultz nor Zizic's played an NBA game yet. Marcus isnt a star and Parkers a massive risk.

when you create these "lets trade everybody for picks" situations you get to look at all these guys and say he COULD be this or he COULD do that, but the reality is that most of these guys dont live up to the hype.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I don't see how any of them can legitimately make their roster a title contender before their core pieces are past their prime.

So with that being said,Danny could take advantage of some talent on those teams, and improve some weaknesses.

Paul George
Valanciunas
Howard

Derozen?

Then of course Millsapp is a FA, we could steal him too.

PG13 would obviously be my first choice. If you can sign Millsap and then trade Crowder,Smart and brk 17 for George, we are contenders

IT.          Rozier
AB       vet min
George.   Jaylen
Millsap.    Yabu
Horford     zicic

Paul George has a PO after next season...exactly the same time we would need to sign IT and AB. He will probably leave for LA....so giving up the BKN pick for a season of his services is similar in result but worse than the Joe Johnson trade

Also ATL hjas said Howard can be had for a 2nd rounder and cap relief....

IMO if we draft Fultz the best option is to trade IT and AB this summer, along with others. Get Jabari, Jahlil Okafor and etc..then go into the next draft with 2 top 5 picks.

Have you actually seen Jahlil Okafor play lol

Extensively. Which is why IMO that Okafor is not a finished project the way everyone looks at him. He has the talent, skills, size, and length but has played pretty poorly in his second year. I've talked about this extensively in other threads but IMO Okafor is in the worst possible situation for his current skill set and his current physical status.

here is a decent video of all his buckets from his rookie season part 1. IMO he hesitates shooting the ball anywhere outside of 5ft, possibly bc he feels overconfident in the post, although his shot/shot fluidity/shot mechanics are all fine. IMO he's a player and is currently undervalued and is not a finished product.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mig9OzqFzUs

[Future Celtics Owner]

I don't see how any of them can legitimately make their roster a title contender before their core pieces are past their prime.

So with that being said,Danny could take advantage of some talent on those teams, and improve some weaknesses.

Paul George
Valanciunas
Howard

Derozen?

Then of course Millsapp is a FA, we could steal him too.

PG13 would obviously be my first choice. If you can sign Millsap and then trade Crowder,Smart and brk 17 for George, we are contenders

IT.          Rozier
AB       vet min
George.   Jaylen
Millsap.    Yabu
Horford     zicic

Paul George has a PO after next season...exactly the same time we would need to sign IT and AB. He will probably leave for LA....so giving up the BKN pick for a season of his services is similar in result but worse than the Joe Johnson trade

Also ATL hjas said Howard can be had for a 2nd rounder and cap relief....

IMO if we draft Fultz the best option is to trade IT and AB this summer, along with others. Get Jabari, Jahlil Okafor and etc..then go into the next draft with 2 top 5 picks.

Yeah, I get the temptation to dramaticallly spice things up after such a demoralizing loss, but Jahlil Okafor? erm, OK, as a reclamation project for like a second round pick maybe??

Still love Jabari though, Milwaukee may be willing to trade him away too. I wonder if the Bucks would entertain an IT for Jabari trade?

@futureowner
Isaiah Thomas is too much of a defensive liability so your plan is to go get 2 of the guys who are actually worse than Thomas on that side of the ball? really?
2. I imagine Milwaukee would do Parker for Thomas. Jabari is a talented player, but he is just as bad as Thomas on defense and even pre-double acl tears he was never likely to be as good as Thomas on offense. Hes torn the same ACL twice. That is absolutely devastating to a player's career. Only reason they would hesitate is that Parker is an RFA next year and Thomas is a UFA. Thomas fits better, is better, and hasnt torn the same ACL twice. As for us?

I dont like it. Thomas is a star. Trading him for damaged goods would p--- the whole team off.

Plus with Al Avery, Jae and Marcus, Im not sure youd even be bad enough to suck your way into the top 5.

A Fultz/Smart/Rozier/Brown/Parker/Zizic base of talent would be tantalizing, but how many of them would really pan out? neither Fultz nor Zizic's played an NBA game yet. Marcus isnt a star and Parkers a massive risk.

when you create these "lets trade everybody for picks" situations you get to look at all these guys and say he COULD be this or he COULD do that, but the reality is that most of these guys dont live up to the hype.

ILikesports

I agree 100%. This was like 2 weeks ago but I started a thread"AB 4 Jabari". I too think IT has more value on the market than for Jabari. In that thread I went over everything you mentioned about the contracts and injuries. So ya I agree with you. Also, I did not specify what we should be giving up to get the players I mentioned, but I think you and I agree IT for Jabari straight up gives us all the risks...especially since Jabari is not coming back till 1/4 through the season.

I also can understand why ppl do not like Okafor. But I do, especially as a player to develop/polish. I think we may have talked before on my views on Okafor. Okafor should be relatively cheap and not cost us IT/ab/crowder/etc.

IMO in the future we could nab a poor man's IT (Lou Williams for a late 1st rounder) or a good 6th man scorer instead of paying max money....especially if we end up drafting Fultz, who had a 6'10'' wingspan, 8'6'' standing reach, and should be a very fine defensive pg as well as being a possible star offensively.

[KGBirdBias]

I'm ok with this

Trade for PG13 (if he's willing to sign long term)

If that fails, try and sign Hayward.

I would only sign Millsap if it's for 2 years and the 2nd year is a team option.