what's AB's market value if his contract was up this year

[saltlover]

he'd get the max that he'd be eligible for.  he's an all-NBA defender who's improved his game every year he's been in the league.  he used to be just a spot-up shooter from inside the arc.  now he's a legit shooter out to the 3, now has shown an ability to drive (under control to boot) for a bucket and has improved his playmaking skills where he's not a turnover waiting to happen all the time (just some of the time now).

I was all for trading AB for years but after watching him this year I've come around to thinking he's probably worth keeping -- particularly if we get Fultz in the draft and he can take over for IT after IT's deal is up.  (I know that'll get me crucified for just suggesting it but I'd consider it)

He would not get the max.  He's a very good player.  But the max he could get on the open market is $130 million over 4 seasons.  I could see him getting $80 million or so over four years, but not max dollars.

I'd expect most of the good free agents to stay with their current teams this summer. If that happened, I could see Bradley being one of the best free agents on the market and earning the max.

You don't think a bad team like Philly (who had been rumored to have interest) Sacramento or the Nets would pay him the max? If it was a bad team making the offer, they would have to pay a premium to get him to go there.

No, I don't.  Look at it a different way.  Bradley is eligible for a renegotiation and an extension this summer.  Do you think a team is going to trade for him and give him such a contract?  Suppose they even get to pay him less than max, since they'd be ripping up his old contract and giving him a large raise this summer, he'd get the same amount if he signed a 4-year deal worth about $106 million this summer as he would playing out his contract this year and signing a max contract next summer (over the first three years).  This would give them about a 20% discount on Bradley, per your valuation.  If Bradley and his new team could agree to that, what would they trade to do that?  Would Phoenix be willing to trade Chriss and their first this year?  That's pretty close to what New Orleans paid for Cousins, and Bradley is guaranteed to be their four years instead of 1.5 in this scenario.  Would Philly trade their top pick if they don't win the lottery plus Dario Saric?  If you think Bradley is max-worthy, the trade market for him should be really hot.  Lottery picks and young players on good contracts kind of hot.

Again I love Bradley, and think he's a terrific player.  But he's not a max guy.

[Somebody]

he'd get the max that he'd be eligible for.  he's an all-NBA defender who's improved his game every year he's been in the league.  he used to be just a spot-up shooter from inside the arc.  now he's a legit shooter out to the 3, now has shown an ability to drive (under control to boot) for a bucket and has improved his playmaking skills where he's not a turnover waiting to happen all the time (just some of the time now).

I was all for trading AB for years but after watching him this year I've come around to thinking he's probably worth keeping -- particularly if we get Fultz in the draft and he can take over for IT after IT's deal is up.  (I know that'll get me crucified for just suggesting it but I'd consider it)

He would not get the max.  He's a very good player.  But the max he could get on the open market is $130 million over 4 seasons.  I could see him getting $80 million or so over four years, but not max dollars.

I'd expect most of the good free agents to stay with their current teams this summer. If that happened, I could see Bradley being one of the best free agents on the market and earning the max.

You don't think a bad team like Philly (who had been rumored to have interest) Sacramento or the Nets would pay him the max? If it was a bad team making the offer, they would have to pay a premium to get him to go there.

He wouldn't even be on the table next summer...I think Ainge would offer extensions to Bradley, IT and Smart (thinking of a 76 million, 4 year extension for Bradley, 52 million, 4 year extension for Smart and a 4 year Super Max Extension for IT)

[slamtheking]

he'd get the max that he'd be eligible for.  he's an all-NBA defender who's improved his game every year he's been in the league.  he used to be just a spot-up shooter from inside the arc.  now he's a legit shooter out to the 3, now has shown an ability to drive (under control to boot) for a bucket and has improved his playmaking skills where he's not a turnover waiting to happen all the time (just some of the time now).

I was all for trading AB for years but after watching him this year I've come around to thinking he's probably worth keeping -- particularly if we get Fultz in the draft and he can take over for IT after IT's deal is up.  (I know that'll get me crucified for just suggesting it but I'd consider it)

He would not get the max.  He's a very good player.  But the max he could get on the open market is $130 million over 4 seasons.  I could see him getting $80 million or so over four years, but not max dollars.

I'd expect most of the good free agents to stay with their current teams this summer. If that happened, I could see Bradley being one of the best free agents on the market and earning the max.

You don't think a bad team like Philly (who had been rumored to have interest) Sacramento or the Nets would pay him the max? If it was a bad team making the offer, they would have to pay a premium to get him to go there.

He wouldn't even be on the table next summer...I think Ainge would offer extensions to Bradley, IT and Smart (thinking of a 76 million, 4 year extension for Bradley, 52 million, 4 year extension for Smart and a 4 year Super Max Extension for IT)

this isn't intended to get into whether he's worth the max, simply that with the dearth of good FA's that may actually hit the market that be worth a lot to some teams, which AB would be, he'd get that offer.  if  the continual talk around this site has been that Hayward and IT are worth max contracts from somebody, I think AB could command that much if they do.  if not, he'd be darn close.

[jambr380]

If AB is going to get the max, I really hope that DA deals him this offseason (and not Crowder!). As SL said, if he is considered that much of a commodity, then we should really be able to cash in. I would probably take Chriss or the PHX pick / Saric or the PHI pick.

I love AB's attitude, effort, and knockdown shooting from the outside, but we just can't afford to pay the max to somebody of his caliber. While he checks all of the boxes on paper, he is just missing that something extra to be a top paid player.

It will be sad to see him go.

[Darío SpanishFan]

If AB is going to get the max, I really hope that DA deals him this offseason (and not Crowder!). As SL said, if he is considered that much of a commodity, then we should really be able to cash in. I would probably take Chriss or the PHX pick / Saric or the PHI pick.

I love AB's attitude, effort, and knockdown shooting from the outside, but we just can't afford to pay the max to somebody of his caliber. While he checks all of the boxes on paper, he is just missing that something extra to be a top paid player.

It will be sad to see him go.

I love Bradley too, he is maybe my favourite Celtic. But I'm almost sure you are not getting this return for him, he will be a free agent in 2018.

[saltlover]

If AB is going to get the max, I really hope that DA deals him this offseason (and not Crowder!). As SL said, if he is considered that much of a commodity, then we should really be able to cash in. I would probably take Chriss or the PHX pick / Saric or the PHI pick.

I love AB's attitude, effort, and knockdown shooting from the outside, but we just can't afford to pay the max to somebody of his caliber. While he checks all of the boxes on paper, he is just missing that something extra to be a top paid player.

It will be sad to see him go.

I love Bradley too, he is maybe my favourite Celtic. But I'm almost sure you are not getting this return for him, he will be a free agent in 2018.

You missed the point of my post that jambr was referring to.

[jambr380]

If AB is going to get the max, I really hope that DA deals him this offseason (and not Crowder!). As SL said, if he is considered that much of a commodity, then we should really be able to cash in. I would probably take Chriss or the PHX pick / Saric or the PHI pick.

I love AB's attitude, effort, and knockdown shooting from the outside, but we just can't afford to pay the max to somebody of his caliber. While he checks all of the boxes on paper, he is just missing that something extra to be a top paid player.

It will be sad to see him go.

I love Bradley too, he is maybe my favourite Celtic. But I'm almost sure you are not getting this return for him, he will be a free agent in 2018.

Oh, I was just piggybacking Saltlover's post (first post on this page). He was making a counter-argument as to why Bradley likely wasn't a max guy and, if he was, his value would be as high as both PHX and PHI assets.

I agree that it might be difficult to pry away a top pick/young player for AB, but if he is that valuable, then we have to do it. Ainge can't afford to pay AB a max contract.

Edit: SL beat me to the punch 

[action781]

I don't know AB's max offhand, but if Mike Conley and Al Horford were able to get max contracts last offseason, then it would not surprise me to see AB offered one since he is comparable to those players relative to his position.  Shooting guard is not a strong position across the NBA that teams would love to solidify with Avery.

[Evantime34]

he'd get the max that he'd be eligible for.  he's an all-NBA defender who's improved his game every year he's been in the league.  he used to be just a spot-up shooter from inside the arc.  now he's a legit shooter out to the 3, now has shown an ability to drive (under control to boot) for a bucket and has improved his playmaking skills where he's not a turnover waiting to happen all the time (just some of the time now).

I was all for trading AB for years but after watching him this year I've come around to thinking he's probably worth keeping -- particularly if we get Fultz in the draft and he can take over for IT after IT's deal is up.  (I know that'll get me crucified for just suggesting it but I'd consider it)

He would not get the max.  He's a very good player.  But the max he could get on the open market is $130 million over 4 seasons.  I could see him getting $80 million or so over four years, but not max dollars.

I'd expect most of the good free agents to stay with their current teams this summer. If that happened, I could see Bradley being one of the best free agents on the market and earning the max.

You don't think a bad team like Philly (who had been rumored to have interest) Sacramento or the Nets would pay him the max? If it was a bad team making the offer, they would have to pay a premium to get him to go there.

No, I don't.  Look at it a different way.  Bradley is eligible for a renegotiation and an extension this summer.  Do you think a team is going to trade for him and give him such a contract?  Suppose they even get to pay him less than max, since they'd be ripping up his old contract and giving him a large raise this summer, he'd get the same amount if he signed a 4-year deal worth about $106 million this summer as he would playing out his contract this year and signing a max contract next summer (over the first three years).  This would give them about a 20% discount on Bradley, per your valuation.  If Bradley and his new team could agree to that, what would they trade to do that?  Would Phoenix be willing to trade Chriss and their first this year?  That's pretty close to what New Orleans paid for Cousins, and Bradley is guaranteed to be their four years instead of 1.5 in this scenario.  Would Philly trade their top pick if they don't win the lottery plus Dario Saric?  If you think Bradley is max-worthy, the trade market for him should be really hot.  Lottery picks and young players on good contracts kind of hot.

Again I love Bradley, and think he's a terrific player.  But he's not a max guy.

I think Avery isn't a max guy for Boston, but he might be for other teams, which is why I think he will be dealt this summer.

If Philly gets two early lottery picks then I could see them offering something like their second first and Holmes/Okafor for Bradley then extend him at a near max level. Embiid, Simmons, Saric, Bradley, and whatever guard they draft in the top 5 has playoff upside next year and some great upside long term.

The question was would he be a max guy if his contract was up this year. I think Philly, Brooklyn or Sacramento would think hard about trying to lure Bradley with a max offer sheet if they didn't need to trade assets to get him.

I think acquisition costs matters in the NBA, so if Bradley was a free agent and could be acquired without assets he would be a max player.

[csfansince60s]

I don't know AB's max offhand, but if Mike Conley and Al Horford were able to get max contracts last offseason, then it would not surprise me to see AB offered one since he is comparable to those players relative to his position.  Shooting guard is not a strong position across the NBA that teams would love to solidify with Avery.

I agree. He will be a max, especially in light of what ET got, even though that was a slight aberration.

Also, AB is held in very high regard around the league, especially by the players.

The only thing that might give teams pause is his injury history, but that might stand out more to us than to them. We have struggled mightily when he is not in the lineup, but it isn't like he has had structural/career-derailing injuries like ACLs/MCLs/PCLs, so it might not be as much of a red flag as it is for us.

Sadly, I think that is another good argument to trade him, and I hate saying that as he is my favorite C by far.