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Re: rozier stock on rise
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2017, 10:03:36 AM »

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I'll say, based on what I've seen the last couple of games. He has raised his game, as players have to do in the playoffs if their teams are to have success.

Ainge is seeing his core team unfold before his eyes:

IT, Horford, Bradley, Crowder, Smart, Rozier and Brown.

That's it, Danny. Replace all the others with a scorer and a couple of bangers who can get the ball. Plus the stud guard you'll get in the lottery.

Re: rozier stock on rise
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2017, 10:10:33 AM »

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What a good time to be doing it right? The big stage in the playoffs where literally everyone is watching. That includes other teams. I think Terry is going to be a casualty of the guard crunch we got going on this offseason in a trade for a big if we land the number 1 pick and grab Fultz. There just wouldnt be minutes to be had between Fultz, Bradley, Smart, Isaiah. If we end up with four and get Tatum or Jackson, he is safe.

Re: rozier stock on rise
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2017, 10:22:31 AM »

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What a good time to be doing it right? The big stage in the playoffs where literally everyone is watching. That includes other teams. I think Terry is going to be a casualty of the guard crunch we got going on this offseason in a trade for a big if we land the number 1 pick and grab Fultz. There just wouldnt be minutes to be had between Fultz, Bradley, Smart, Isaiah. If we end up with four and get Tatum or Jackson, he is safe.

I look at it the other way around. 

Rozier is playing well enough to make this top pick expendable.   With a guy like Paul George on the market, we have never been better positioned to consolidate assets. 

I'd much prefer a deal for George over bringing in another rookie, even a highly touted one.  The time is right for us. 

Let's say we can get PG for the pick, Amir, and Crowder.   

Isn't that an ideal scenario?
- adds the proven scorer we need to truly contend, without emptying the cupboard
- avoids guard log-jam and will let IT continue to play free without looking over the shoulder
- opens up more mpg for Brown
- keeps Rozier firmly in the rotation at backup point

I'd much rather do this than draft Fultz or who ever.  Our back court rotation is PERFECT right now.  Adding another mouth to feed will only disrupt things.   Ya think Smart is gonna wanna see his mpg go to a rook?   Rozier after this breakout campaign?   Not a chance folks!   


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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2017, 10:38:53 AM »

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As I've said a thousand times, I'm not trading for Paul George unless he signs an extension.

Re: rozier stock on rise
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2017, 10:40:44 AM »

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Thanks for the Rozier thread. I posted some of this on the Portis thread, but, it bears repeating.

Doc used AB this way subbing for Ray Allen..."attack on defense and fight for rebounds, it is your job." Guess what? For the last 6 wins Rozier has done exactly that with a couple of timely buckets.

The contrast between "regular season Terry" and "playoffs Terry" has been out freaking standing.

Rozier's "arrival" this playoff season has made the Celtics bench of Smart--Olynyk--Rozier virtually dominant over the Bull's Wiz second stringers. They sub into the game and run their opponents ragged. The Bull's starters were all on oxygen in the last 5 minutes of their games and Brooks has no answers beyond running Wall and Beal onto the floor for 94 count'em 94 minutes last night.

Can you imagine having to cope with Bradley and then Rozier all night? Kid's earnin' his ducats.

Among stat lines, the best of them all is that, by my poor eye sight, Terry Rozier's arms are exactly twelve inches longer than Kelly "could have been a really tall hockey player" Olynyk's.

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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2017, 10:50:37 AM »

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Among stat lines, the best of them all is that, by my poor eye sight, Terry Rozier's arms are exactly twelve inches longer than Kelly "could have been a really tall hockey player" Olynyk's.

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« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2017, 10:53:38 AM »

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As I've said a thousand times, I'm not trading for Paul George unless he signs an extension.

Can you imagine the flack he'd take, if after leading the C's on a deep playoff run he goes and signs with the hapless Lakers?   

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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2017, 11:11:06 AM »

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I mean if the Celtics land the #1 overall pick this year  and had a chance to get  the #3 and #4 you do it,  I think.   Say Phili wants that number #1 and the Lakers pick falls outside #3....

Fultz and Ball go number #1 and #2.   

You get Tatum and Jackson on Rookie scale deals the next 4 years....What a great young core moving forward..

Rozier
Brown
Tatum
Jackson
Al Horford (The old vet)
#1 2018 Pick


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Re: rozier stock on rise
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2017, 11:31:28 AM »

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Rozier going after rebounds yesterday was fierce, beautiful and game changing.

I loved it!

In game 1 against the Wizards Rozier had a MASSIVE impact on the game, and he did it without really doing much at all on the offensive end.  He came in early while we were down, he destroyed the boards (where Washington had been killing us prior), and he did a really good defensive job on John Wall (who had also been killing us prior). 

During those minutes he had a massive impact and (along with Kelly and IT) was instrumental to Boston coming back from that 16-0 hole - and he did it pretty much without scoring. 

That's what I love about Rozier.  He is a very good shooter and a very capable scorer, but when he's not making shots he can still control the game with his defence and his rebounding - one of the key attributes of a star player is the ability to impact the game in a variety of ways, and he's shown he can do that. 

Per 36 (in the playoffs) he's averaging 13.5 Pts, 6.8 Reb, 3.1 Ast, 1.1 Stl, 0.8 blk and 0 turnovers while shooting 43% / 45% / 90%. 

Yes, you read that right.  In 7 playoff games and 128 playoff minutes this season, Rozier does not have a single turnover

In fact in his rookie year he was similarly impressive - 5 games and 99 minutes played in the playoffs as a rookie, and only 2 turnovers.

So for his career Rozier has recorded only 2 turnovers across 12 playoff games.  That's mighty impressive for such a young player who honestly hasn't had that much opportunity. 

Rozier's career turnover rate is 10.7% for the regular season, and 3.1% for the playoffs.  That's some of the lowest turnover numbers I've ever seen for an NBA PG.
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Re: rozier stock on rise
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2017, 11:38:19 AM »

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What a good time to be doing it right? The big stage in the playoffs where literally everyone is watching. That includes other teams. I think Terry is going to be a casualty of the guard crunch we got going on this offseason in a trade for a big if we land the number 1 pick and grab Fultz. There just wouldnt be minutes to be had between Fultz, Bradley, Smart, Isaiah. If we end up with four and get Tatum or Jackson, he is safe.

I look at it the other way around. 

Rozier is playing well enough to make this top pick expendable.   With a guy like Paul George on the market, we have never been better positioned to consolidate assets. 

I'd much prefer a deal for George over bringing in another rookie, even a highly touted one.  The time is right for us. 

Let's say we can get PG for the pick, Amir, and Crowder.   

Isn't that an ideal scenario?
- adds the proven scorer we need to truly contend, without emptying the cupboard
- avoids guard log-jam and will let IT continue to play free without looking over the shoulder
- opens up more mpg for Brown
- keeps Rozier firmly in the rotation at backup point

I'd much rather do this than draft Fultz or who ever.  Our back court rotation is PERFECT right now.  Adding another mouth to feed will only disrupt things.   Ya think Smart is gonna wanna see his mpg go to a rook?   Rozier after this breakout campaign?   Not a chance folks!

The problem is that PG is a one yr rental. Absolutely no way you do that trade if you get no commitment from PG.

I hope PG is watching these playoffs..imagining himself inserted in this core group would be insane and Lebrick would be peeing in his pants...in the first round Lebron was having trouble already with George now imagine there is IT and Horford and AB and Smart and Jaylen....forget thhe Fakers PG. Go to Boston and be a legend.

Re: rozier stock on rise
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2017, 11:45:29 AM »

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I was one of the people disappointed they didn't trade him for Ibaka

I may have been wrong.. Rozier is a clutch shooter, a fierce defender, a fiery competitor, and a fantastic rebounder. He comes in and they usually out perform the opponents bench.

I just hope he and the other role players can keep this up on the road. ( and against intimidating teams and players like Cleveland and Lebron)

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« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2017, 11:50:09 AM »

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Among stat lines, the best of them all is that, by my poor eye sight, Terry Rozier's arms are exactly twelve inches longer than Kelly "could have been a really tall hockey player" Olynyk's.

Tp

lol In fact, Kelly arms are longer - but not by much.  Terry Rozier has a 6'8" wingspan, while Olynyk has a 6'10" wingspan. 

Rozier really is physical specimen.  Looking at his combine numbers: 

* 6'2"
* 190 lbs
* 6'8" wingspan
* 38" max vertical

From what I recall he killed almost all of the physical measurements (sprint, lane agility, etc) as well.

The kid is about as close as it gets to physical perfection at the PG spot, and he can do everything:

* Excellent handle
* Decent passing instincts
* Very good on-ball defender
* Outstanding rebounder for a guard
* Excellent outside shooter
* Very good midrange game
* Deadly in transition
* Skilled at slashing and attacking the basket
* Great intangibles (good BBIQ and excellent motor / work ethic)

With all of those skills and physical talents in place as a college player, I always knew Rozier was going to make an excellent NBA player - it was just a matter of time.

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« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2017, 12:13:57 PM »

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What a good time to be doing it right? The big stage in the playoffs where literally everyone is watching. That includes other teams. I think Terry is going to be a casualty of the guard crunch we got going on this offseason in a trade for a big if we land the number 1 pick and grab Fultz. There just wouldnt be minutes to be had between Fultz, Bradley, Smart, Isaiah. If we end up with four and get Tatum or Jackson, he is safe.

I look at it the other way around. 

Rozier is playing well enough to make this top pick expendable.   With a guy like Paul George on the market, we have never been better positioned to consolidate assets. 

I'd much prefer a deal for George over bringing in another rookie, even a highly touted one.  The time is right for us. 

Let's say we can get PG for the pick, Amir, and Crowder.   

Isn't that an ideal scenario?
- adds the proven scorer we need to truly contend, without emptying the cupboard
- avoids guard log-jam and will let IT continue to play free without looking over the shoulder
- opens up more mpg for Brown
- keeps Rozier firmly in the rotation at backup point

I'd much rather do this than draft Fultz or who ever.  Our back court rotation is PERFECT right now.  Adding another mouth to feed will only disrupt things.   Ya think Smart is gonna wanna see his mpg go to a rook?   Rozier after this breakout campaign?   Not a chance folks!

I agree, I trade for Paul George 100 times out of 100. Conventional thinking would say it should take more than your trade proposal in order to get George but if Pacers know he's leaving - Crowder and combination of picks led by the 2017 Brooklyn pick is a sweet deal.

The problem lies in that, in order to fit in another max guy to this roster, Rozier's contract would most likely need to be shipped out according to some of the articles I've read.

This trade obviously is contingent on George signing a long term extension. But he obviously fits a glaring need, and while I like Crowder, George is an obvious upgrade with Jaylen poised to take minutes from the bench in a year 2 leap.

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« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2017, 12:27:34 PM »

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What a good time to be doing it right? The big stage in the playoffs where literally everyone is watching. That includes other teams. I think Terry is going to be a casualty of the guard crunch we got going on this offseason in a trade for a big if we land the number 1 pick and grab Fultz. There just wouldnt be minutes to be had between Fultz, Bradley, Smart, Isaiah. If we end up with four and get Tatum or Jackson, he is safe.

I look at it the other way around. 

Rozier is playing well enough to make this top pick expendable.   With a guy like Paul George on the market, we have never been better positioned to consolidate assets. 

I'd much prefer a deal for George over bringing in another rookie, even a highly touted one.  The time is right for us. 

Let's say we can get PG for the pick, Amir, and Crowder.   

Isn't that an ideal scenario?
- adds the proven scorer we need to truly contend, without emptying the cupboard
- avoids guard log-jam and will let IT continue to play free without looking over the shoulder
- opens up more mpg for Brown
- keeps Rozier firmly in the rotation at backup point

I'd much rather do this than draft Fultz or who ever.  Our back court rotation is PERFECT right now.  Adding another mouth to feed will only disrupt things.   Ya think Smart is gonna wanna see his mpg go to a rook?   Rozier after this breakout campaign?   Not a chance folks!

Amir is a FA you can't trade him

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« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2017, 12:40:01 PM »

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What a good time to be doing it right? The big stage in the playoffs where literally everyone is watching. That includes other teams. I think Terry is going to be a casualty of the guard crunch we got going on this offseason in a trade for a big if we land the number 1 pick and grab Fultz. There just wouldnt be minutes to be had between Fultz, Bradley, Smart, Isaiah. If we end up with four and get Tatum or Jackson, he is safe.

I think us fans have to continue to work on letting go of the old 1 thru 5 paradigm:  PG   SG   SF   PF    C   and rather, embrace the new small ball, position-less era.  Through these playoffs 3 of the following four (IT, AB, TR, MS), in various combinations have shared the court together for significant minutes.  It is pointless to say that when IT, AB, & MS are out together that MS is the SF.  Modern basketball requires lots of switching, being able to defend all sorts of players with different skill sets.

There's room and enough minutes for IT, AB, TR, M Fultz, MS & JB to cover 3 of the 5 slots on the court.  That of course allows time for JC and AH and all the new youngsters in the other 2 slots.

We don't necessarily need a tall rebounding rim protector next year.  We need ten or eleven hard nosed basketball players, and we already have seven. :)