hey guys only roziers 2nd year

[Smitty77]

We have had threads talking about how we should trade Marcus for Okafor.

This is far from ridiculous.

Title could use a little work - it's Devin Booker's second year aswell.

Booker is getting a LOT of minutes for an UNDER 20 win Suns' team and is shooting UNDER 43% and has a PER of ONLY 13.8 to Rozier's 10.7.  Not a huge difference give the FACT that Booker is playing 34.5 minutes and has started 61 of 61 games for the Suns and Rozier has started ZERO games and is averaging almost exactly HALF Booker's minutes!!!

Context is a very COOL TOOL:-))))

Smitty77

P.S.  The Suns have on of the worst point differentials in the league, so how many of Booker's allegedly GREAT stats were put up in blow out games?

[Eddie20]

the next wave is coming zizic,yabusele and nader

Does this follow the Hunter, Mickey, and Rozier wave?

I do think Rozier has talent, but there are a few issues.

- Too much side-to-side "dancing" with the ball. He has the quickness to get by his defender going north/south, but he fails to do it. I compare that to a RB who runs east/west instead of hitting the hole hard.

- I think he needs to develop a floater. He's constantly trying to go the basket and isn't finishing effectively at this level.

- I also think he's modeled his game after Wade too much in this regard. He's constantly falling to the ground at the rim and I wonder if he concentrated more on finding, rather than looking for the would, would provide better results.

- The ball has a tendency to stick to him. When he's running the point the ball doesn't move as well, which is why Stevens usually has him off the ball.

- The defense, especially when getting screened, is concerning. He needs to do a better job of taking a better angle on screens and fight through them. He gets hung on them way too much.

Still these problems could be corrected and I do like his athletic ability and length. He has potential and I could see him evolve into a Reggie Jackson type.

[Ilikesports17]

We have had threads talking about how we should trade Marcus for Okafor.

This is far from ridiculous.

Title could use a little work - it's Devin Booker's second year aswell.

Booker is getting a LOT of minutes for an UNDER 20 win Suns' team and is shooting UNDER 43% and has a PER of ONLY 13.8 to Rozier's 10.7.  Not a huge difference give the FACT that Booker is playing 34.5 minutes and has started 61 of 61 games for the Suns and Rozier has started ZERO games and is averaging almost exactly HALF Booker's minutes!!!

Context is a very COOL TOOL:-))))

Smitty77

P.S.  The Suns have on of the worst point differentials in the league, so how many of Booker's allegedly GREAT stats were put up in blow out games?

PER is a per minute stat, so the fact that Booker has a higher PER than Rozier despite playing more than twice the minutes makes Booker's higher PER even more impressive, not less.

However, all that is fairly useless because PER is a trash stat.

You then mention Booker's efficiency, but he is shooting 42/37/82 while Rozier is putting up a disgusting 37/33/77.

Booker is only able to score such a high volume because hes on a trash Suns team, but that should hurt his efficiency. Rozier on the other hand should have a low volume (he does) but a high efficiency. However, his efficiency is awful despite playing with much better teammates who should create much better shots.

Not too mention Booker is 2.5 years younger than Rozier.

Booker is so so much better right now.

[KGBirdBias]

I'm starting to see why Ainge wouldn't trade Rozier. He's really been playing well.

Rozier and Brown may be good to keep around for one more year to see how they develop.

[The One]

Good reminder for us.

More often than not it takes time to be a good NBA player.

[Chris22]

Good reminder for us.

More often than not it takes time to be a good NBA player.

Bingo.
I remember when people complained about Bradley and Brown and Smart.

[LilRip]

I hate Rozier's game. He plays because CBS likes speed and he's our most capable ball handler off the bench after Smart. Plus, he can shoot the 3. He's ahead of guys like Demetrius Jackson and James Young. Still, that doesn't mean he's particularly special. It's kinda like why Zeller gets minutes when we need to go big. It's not that Zeller is particularly good or a promising prospect. Sometimes, that's the depth of your team.

If another team believes in TR's talent, I hope we ship him out and get a decent return (a 1st round pick?).

[moiso]

One thing that I don't like about Rozier's game is that most of the time when he drives to the hoop he goes into George Gervin/Dr J mode.    It's always a finger roll with the palm of his hand facing him and not the basket.   He's not Gervin or Dr. J.   He needs to make it easier for himself.   

[CoachBo]

One thing that I don't like about Rozier's game is that most of the time when he drives to the hoop he goes into George Gervin/Dr J mode.    It's always a finger roll with the palm of his hand facing him and not the basket.  He's not Gervin or Dr. J.   He needs to make it easier for himself.

You'd never know it by reading this board.

[mobilija]

One thing that I don't like about Rozier's game is that most of the time when he drives to the hoop he goes into George Gervin/Dr J mode.    It's always a finger roll with the palm of his hand facing him and not the basket.  He's not Gervin or Dr. J.   He needs to make it easier for himself.

You'd never know it by reading this board.

Really?!? Have you read this topic?
What I'm hearing from "the board" is Rozier has potential to be an NBA player not an All-Star and we should expect him to improve past his faults that many have pointed out since it is only his 2nd year.
You sound  like you want to pick a fight. Guess I took the bait...
You occasionally make insightful basketball comments, stop being a grumpy old man for the sake of being a grumpy old man and add to the discussion. You just validated the pessimism that has turned so many people away from this blog.

[Androslav]

I hate Rozier's game. He plays because CBS likes speed and he's our most capable ball handler off the bench after Smart. Plus, he can shoot the 3. He's ahead of guys like Demetrius Jackson and James Young. Still, that doesn't mean he's particularly special. It's kinda like why Zeller gets minutes when we need to go big. It's not that Zeller is particularly good or a promising prospect. Sometimes, that's the depth of your team.

If another team believes in TR's talent, I hope we ship him out and get a decent return (a 1st round pick?).

He was a 16th pick himself. What is the logic behind trading a solid pick value that you drafted in mid 1st and developed for 2 years for a mid 1st pick that if all goes well will be about as good as TR? You mostly get several risks for a minimum upside.

[CoachBo]

One thing that I don't like about Rozier's game is that most of the time when he drives to the hoop he goes into George Gervin/Dr J mode.    It's always a finger roll with the palm of his hand facing him and not the basket.  He's not Gervin or Dr. J.   He needs to make it easier for himself.

You'd never know it by reading this board.

Really?!? Have you read this topic?
What I'm hearing from "the board" is Rozier has potential to be an NBA player not an All-Star and we should expect him to improve past his faults that many have pointed out since it is only his 2nd year.
You sound  like you want to pick a fight. Guess I took the bait...
You occasionally make insightful basketball comments, stop being a grumpy old man for the sake of being a grumpy old man and add to the discussion. You just validated the pessimism that has turned so many people away from this blog.

Your advice is duly noted and rejected.

This blog used to be a place for serious basketball discussion, not some site for unrequited love of every single solitary player who wears the green.

There is some legitimate evaluation of Rozier in this thread - I see him as disposable, but hardly as inept as he's been made out to be in this thread, so the self-congratulatory nonsense is just silly - but it also comes at a time when a thread entitled "Jaylen Brown ... NBA superstar" is on the same list of forum topics, as is yet another thread proposing the trade of the one legitimate scorer this team has.

My point is this: Fan enthusiasm is lovely and all, but it needs to be tempered with realism, not 5,000-word treatises on the greatness of this, that or the other obscure thing, followed invariably by the author flying into a rage at anyone who dares not share his believe that the current team is the greatest thing to darken a basketball court ever, including at moderators.

This team isn't ready for prime time. Ainge doesn't always hit on draft picks. He doesn't always hit on trades, but he did with Thomas, who's going to be maxed and isn't going to be traded for questionable talent and draft picks to perpetuate the rebuild some are so in love with.

I will forever champion the pursuit of titles, not the pursuit of more draft picks and the continuation of the conversion of the Boston Celtics into another version of the Orlando Magic. And I know for a fact the latter is turning people away from this blog as well.

Those whining about "pessimism" just can't handle dissent. Period.

[KGBirdBias]

Rozier can develop into a solid 3rd guard. His shot is better than Smart's. He's a good rebounder...better than KO. LOL

[oldtype]

I had pretty much zero expectations for Rozier so anything he turns into is found money in my view.  He's a bad player right now but his trajectory looks like it will take him towards being a dependable bench guard by the end of his development, so I'm not worried.

[Diggles]

Kid is good and on a cheap deal....You keep TRoz as the 3drs string PG.    For salary cap reasons...... 

Trade next years 1st for #3 and some change and hope the Duke kid (Jackson) goes 3 and pick up an additional asset.    Yea Fulzzzzzzz and Ball are legit #1 picks.  But this might fill a better need of the team in our window....maybe not.  (SF/PF) depends on if we also get another 1st or good vet to help us contend next year.    Sign a stud FA.....