hey guys only roziers 2nd year

[rollie mass]

so much attention goes to smart and jaylen i forgot this is roziers first full season with celts
rozier is so much better than last season,SO his finishing needs to develope

i have a theory that rozier gets up at the rim but loses concentration due to fear of getting whacked
rozier with his spurt is elite as is his change of direction

i was lukewarm on rozier last year because he didn't know where he was going or how to get there and took to much time off the clock

his rebounding with his quick hops and wingspan is also elite
i think, he will be a very good shooter but at rim with his elevation comes loss of focus on finish due to being vulnerable and worries about hard landings
same with screens he gets hung up he needs some more mass

rozier is a far better player than jackson and i consider him in the young core
to me rozier has just started to percolate and he has come a long way from a spaghetti sandwich

our young guys are tough ,talented athletic group
and the next wave is coming zizic,yabusele and nader

[hodgy03038]

I like Rozier but due to his position I don't see him staying here. He is good trade bait.

[__ramonezy__]

I'm also high on Terry's future... admittedly though not so much with this team. Our other young players can see minutes at multiple positions, but Terry is a straight PG. If we we get the opportunity to draft a Fultz it would be unfair to stifle his potential here. I think a team like Denver or Sacramento should really be eying his development

[jambr380]

I like Rozier but due to his position I don't see him staying here. He is good trade bait.

I like Rozier and think he still has a lot of room to grow, but not sure he is good trade bait since he doesn't look a whole lot more developed than last year's playoff series. Do other gms still rate Rozier highly? Did they ever?

Our best bet at this point is to see if he can break out. I think most of us were hoping he would do so during Bradley's absence, but he apparently needs more seasoning.

[Rosco917]

IMO He doesn't look like a starting PG. His passing, and PG skills are average at best, and even in college he wasn't a distributer of the ball.

At 6-1 he's another undersized shooting guard, that we don't really don't need. Not if we're keeping Smart, AB and IT.

For a team in need of youth, and bench guards, he'd be a nice pickup.   

[More Banners]

Yeah...easy to overlook the younglings not drafted top-10 when we have Smart Jaylen and KO making an impact. I'm high on Rozier as a rotation NBA guard, though unless the guard logjam ahead of him clears up due to that blockbuster trade we are all expecting, this will be just the first career stop for a developing NBA journeyman.

[CelticPride2016]

Rozier is a tweener. He has a similar challenge to Jordan Mickey. They have NBA talent but the wrong bodies or are on the wrong teams.

The other challenge for those guys is that they aren't good enough to challenge guys ahead of them.

Rozier needed to improve as a point guard. Maybe he will, but unless Danny makes a move, Smart is the backup PG, and shooting guard is our most talented, stocked position.

The good thing about the Rozier's and Young's is that if they improve enough, they might become rotation players or solid next guys up, or used in trades, not just let them go.

Danny might be looking at too many options. There must be some hidden personnel who crunch the numbers and project future budgets based on such and such. Danny truly lucked out finding a sucker in the Brooklyn Nets. That's why I believe in Danny.

"Go with Danny Ainge. He’s just lucky.”

This was Red Auerbach’s advice to Celtics co-owners Wyc Grousbeck and Steve Pagliuca during their search for a president of basketball operations in 2003. “That’s a high compliment from Red,” Grousbeck told me last week. “Sometimes things just happen, other times you make your own luck.”

Ainge learned a great deal from the man who drafted him in 1981. “I liked Red because he was a risk-taker by nature,” Ainge told me last month. The 2016–17 Celtics are as good as a team can be in this league without a superstar to carry them to the top. Yet some fans would be willing to blow it up if it meant bringing in that singular, big-name talent. The Celtics do need to go from good to great, but they can’t do it by making rash decisions.

Luckily, Ainge has some experience in these matters.

https://theringer.com/the-luck-and-genius-of-danny-ainge-bd5555ebaddc

[rollie mass]

having rozier for backup for injuries to our guards that play with menace and dangerous dangerous intensity is a luxury
jerebko threw down his mask risking hits to nose and he keeps sticking it into traffic
gives meaning to hard nosed
we are going to have some easy games but i like the progress the young ones show when merged with regulars
wholesale insertion of subs doesn't help them
if you haven't alreayt noticed marcus looks for jaylen even to the extent of a few bad outlet or halfcourt passes
great posting lately
celtics pride-tps as usual

[CelticPride2016]

having rozier for backup for injuries to our guards that play with menace and dangerous dangerous intensity is a luxury
jerebko threw down his mask risking hits to nose and he keeps sticking it into traffic
gives meaning to hard nosed
we are going to have some easy games but i like the progress the young ones show when merged with regulars
wholesale insertion of subs doesn't help them
if you haven't alreayt noticed marcus looks for jaylen even to the extent of a few bad outlet or halfcourt passes
great posting lately
celtics pride-tps as usual

It's tough to not worry about Jerebko, but he couldn't handle the mask. He still looks like he's a bit punch drunk, but Olynyk played through the grapefruit eye and hopefully this works out too. He is our six foot ten old-school power forward. He is tough enough and fast to provide Brandon Bass defense. Certain PF's go through taller guys such as Amir, Al, and Olynyk like butter. So we need Jerebko, or Jordan is next guy up for that. Or people say throw in Crowder or Smart at them. No. That's pushing it. Jeff Green was sort of useful for that. James Posey. And KG was the greatest of them all defending every position and Magic Johnson also had those skills.

Rozier is a great luxury. His outside shooting is smooth. He will figure out how to finish at the rim. Isaiah should coach him. He is the master at that. Jaylen Brown is obviously greatness driving to the hoop.

The inside-outside game is cooking. We pile up tons of points.

"wholesale insertion of subs doesn't help them"

This is where a coach can really put his fingerprint on a game. I like Stevens because I assume he is a genius studying film and stats. He is a Terry Francona sticking with Pedroia in regards to Jaylen and James, and Rozier is in that group too.

I guess players like routine. Smart and Kelly are usually first in, always Smart. Sometimes Brad benches Kelly a bit, but there are no doghouses. There are no you are now doomed forever. Gerald Wallace got some chances and did well. Zeller even got into a recent game when it was still up in the air.

James Young, Rozier and Gerald Green all playing well at the same time is a lot of luxury.

Brad just wants to win the game. Don't take it personally. He rewards units that do well. He'll leave them on the floor or let them finish the game. I loved Phil Pressey because no matter how much dust he would accumulate, he'd always come in and give us a kick in the pants.

Phil and Olynyk worked well together. I remember Evan Turner and Zeller becoming a quality combination. Rondo to Shaq. Jaylen, Marcus and Jae instill confidence up the middle. They complement each other. I agree.

We should be okay as long as Brad doesn't overthink it.

I like subs to come in one or two at a time. I hated when Doc would substitute five at once. I think he did that. And then he'd act surprised they looked rusty or not on the same page.

I think our chances are boiling down to how good Amir and Horford play. If power forwards and centers weren't allowed, I think we are the strongest team. I am leaving open the possibility for a Cinderella finish.

[loco_91]

Rozier has looked bad. On offense he's OK as a SG and bad as a PG. He can create offense, but not consistently nor efficiently, and as a spot-up shooter he's below average. On defense he's just bad. He does have time to improve, but he isn't all that young. I doubt he's ever an above-average rotation player, and I'd be happy to trade him for an early second rounder.

[kraidstar]

I like Rozier a lot, and the hate for him on this board has really gotten a little insane.

As Rollie noted, it's only his second year, and it's really just his first year getting real minutes.

You can't teach the kind of athleticism he has. His anticipation on defense is excellent too, though he is young and needs to learn the defense better.

And he is a gamer.

Give him some time and those shots he's barely missing will start to drop. I saw him make some remarkable shots and passes on the Red Claws, he was a man amongst boys.He played with more confidence and poise. That will come at the NBA level with time and experience.

He has a very high ceiling, let's not give up on him just yet.

[footey]

He needs to be more efficient  when he plays. Tendency is to dribble too much before making decisions. Doesn't work well in this style offense. He tries hard on defense, rebounds well for s guard and clearly has potential to be decent outside shooter. Also has quick hands defensively. I would have included him in trade for Okafor even if just a rental but maybe Danny wants to keep as insurance in case we lose AB and/or IT to FA.

[Eddie20]

Rozier is like a RB who goes east/west too much and doesn't go north/south and hit the hole hard enough.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

I've spent a thread saying Brown looks like a good pick, so I'm going to add some yang to my ying.

Rozier stinks.

He flashes and all but the guy just isn't a good player and hasn't really shown much to show he will be one. I get that he is "only" 22 or whatever, but he's a 2nd year guy who basically has shown nothing...

Might be time to let it go, especially with the picks that are coming down the road.

[liam]

Rozier is a good rebounder for a guard and can bring the ball up against pressure but he tries to do to much and his defense is bad, it was a bit better the last two games but he gets lost to easily and sticks on picks and is out of position often. He looked really good in summer league and has been a disappointment so far, maybe because of how sharp he looked in summer league. He is still young.