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Re: Who needs Butler or George...we got Jaylen!
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2017, 07:47:46 PM »

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I would love to see Jaylen paired with Jayson Tatum for years to come. Those boys know how to score and pass the eye test.

 I'm really impressed with Tatum he can score in transition and half court. He knows how to create for himself and create space from his defender. Great game when driving to the rim but really impressed with his way to make seperation for his shot. Hes no slacker when it comes to the defensive end either. Good IQ knows when to score smd distribute can contribute on the boards.

Marcus, Jaylen, and Jayson would be a great trio to go forward in the futue. Leaving the 2018 draft to select our future big unless Giles slips into the late first with value to trade back into the first round.

Im 100% there with you on this one.
More I watch tatum, more I like him. Hes a better athlete than I originally thought and he is extending his stroke out to three point land.

The fact that we are guaranteed one of Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum is ridiculous.

Re: Who needs Butler or George...we got Jaylen!
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2017, 07:54:00 PM »

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I'm almost a bit concerned about how good his shooting numbers have been lately.  This efficiency is clearly not sustainable and we should temper our expectations and be accepting when he inevitably goes into a shooting slump instead of grumbling about how he's "regressed."

His form looks really good and he's not taking bad shots now (which affected his numbers early on). No reason to think he can't keep knocking down open looks like he has been. Sure, he'll have cold streaks from outside.

I'm surprised by his shooting just based on the scouting report of him in college as a non-shooter. But everything I've seen of him this year indicates he can be a plus shooter in the league. What's with his free throws, though?

That's the thing, his free throw numbers are terrible yet he's making a ridiculously high percentage from three.  I accept that he's gotten better at shooting, but you have to assume that one of those numbers is an aberration and I don't think it's the free throws.

Why can't his low free throw % be an aberration? His shooting stroke looks good.
As I stated, if Brown had simply hit 4 more free throws this year, just 4, we wouldn't be having this discussion because he wouldn't be called a poor free throw shooter. People are making decisions on his shooting of free throws based on the ridiculously small sample size of 93 FTAs in his career.
Then you cant talk about any numbers.

Brown was a bad free throw shooter (on decent sample size) and a bad three point shooter(smallish sample size) in college.

He comes to the pros and in two sets of small sample sizes hes been solid form 3 and bad from the stripe, so really you cant make any conclusion, but if youd have to pick the number thats probably an aberration, Id pick his recent lights out shooting from deep.
Actually I am not ready to label him a great or poor shooter from either length because of the small sample size. And I don't tend to pay attention to any college or high school stats because about the only one that seems to consistently transfer to NBA level results is rebounding and even then its not a given. I prefer the eye test when it comes to shooting. His form seems fluid and square and he appears to take the shot with confidence. I can see him becoming a very good overall shooter. Like you said, neither sample size is large enough to determine his ability to be labeled good or bad right now. From either shot.

Re: Who needs Butler or George...we got Jaylen!
« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2017, 07:58:39 PM »

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I'm almost a bit concerned about how good his shooting numbers have been lately.  This efficiency is clearly not sustainable and we should temper our expectations and be accepting when he inevitably goes into a shooting slump instead of grumbling about how he's "regressed."

His form looks really good and he's not taking bad shots now (which affected his numbers early on). No reason to think he can't keep knocking down open looks like he has been. Sure, he'll have cold streaks from outside.

I'm surprised by his shooting just based on the scouting report of him in college as a non-shooter. But everything I've seen of him this year indicates he can be a plus shooter in the league. What's with his free throws, though?

That's the thing, his free throw numbers are terrible yet he's making a ridiculously high percentage from three.  I accept that he's gotten better at shooting, but you have to assume that one of those numbers is an aberration and I don't think it's the free throws.

Why can't his low free throw % be an aberration? His shooting stroke looks good.
As I stated, if Brown had simply hit 4 more free throws this year, just 4, we wouldn't be having this discussion because he wouldn't be called a poor free throw shooter. People are making decisions on his shooting of free throws based on the ridiculously small sample size of 93 FTAs in his career.
Then you cant talk about any numbers.

Brown was a bad free throw shooter (on decent sample size) and a bad three point shooter(smallish sample size) in college.

He comes to the pros and in two sets of small sample sizes hes been solid form 3 and bad from the stripe, so really you cant make any conclusion, but if youd have to pick the number thats probably an aberration, Id pick his recent lights out shooting from deep.
Actually I am not ready to label him a great or poor shooter from either length because of the small sample size. And I don't tend to pay attention to any college or high school stats because about the only one that seems to consistently transfer to NBA level results is rebounding and even then its not a given. I prefer the eye test when it comes to shooting. His form seems fluid and square and he appears to take the shot with confidence. I can see him becoming a very good overall shooter. Like you said, neither sample size is large enough to determine his ability to be labeled good or bad right now. From either shot.
Im with you.

The eye test has been very kind to Jaylen this year. Im excited.

Re: Who needs Butler or George...we got Jaylen!
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2017, 08:58:13 PM »

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I'm almost a bit concerned about how good his shooting numbers have been lately.  This efficiency is clearly not sustainable and we should temper our expectations and be accepting when he inevitably goes into a shooting slump instead of grumbling about how he's "regressed."

His form looks really good and he's not taking bad shots now (which affected his numbers early on). No reason to think he can't keep knocking down open looks like he has been. Sure, he'll have cold streaks from outside.

I'm surprised by his shooting just based on the scouting report of him in college as a non-shooter. But everything I've seen of him this year indicates he can be a plus shooter in the league. What's with his free throws, though?

That's the thing, his free throw numbers are terrible yet he's making a ridiculously high percentage from three.  I accept that he's gotten better at shooting, but you have to assume that one of those numbers is an aberration and I don't think it's the free throws.

Why can't his low free throw % be an aberration? His shooting stroke looks good.
As I stated, if Brown had simply hit 4 more free throws this year, just 4, we wouldn't be having this discussion because he wouldn't be called a poor free throw shooter. People are making decisions on his shooting of free throws based on the ridiculously small sample size of 93 FTAs in his career.
Then you cant talk about any numbers.

Brown was a bad free throw shooter (on decent sample size) and a bad three point shooter(smallish sample size) in college.

He comes to the pros and in two sets of small sample sizes hes been solid form 3 and bad from the stripe, so really you cant make any conclusion, but if youd have to pick the number thats probably an aberration, Id pick his recent lights out shooting from deep.
Actually I am not ready to label him a great or poor shooter from either length because of the small sample size. And I don't tend to pay attention to any college or high school stats because about the only one that seems to consistently transfer to NBA level results is rebounding and even then its not a given. I prefer the eye test when it comes to shooting. His form seems fluid and square and he appears to take the shot with confidence. I can see him becoming a very good overall shooter. Like you said, neither sample size is large enough to determine his ability to be labeled good or bad right now. From either shot.
Im with you.

The eye test has been very kind to Jaylen this year. Im excited.

Agree with the last two posters. I believe Jaylen will be a stud in about two years. Anticipating major strides before next season. I'm passing on Butler every day of the week for what it seems like it would cost to get him.

I hope we go after Griffin hard in the off season.Would be happy with any of the 'top 15' free agents. If we don't bring in a big, I expect Zizic to start.

Early in the season I was all about Fultz, now I question his tenacity and could see him bailing after his rookie contract.  Now I'm thinking more Ball,Jackson, Isaac.

Re: Who needs Butler or George...we got Jaylen!
« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2017, 12:12:06 AM »

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And soon to be Jaylen and Fultz or Jackson.
Exactly. We coulda got Bulter for 2 years or we could get both these guys for maybe 4 minimum at a way lower price
Because when Jackson and Brown are near their primes there is 0 guarantee that we will be able to surround them with the Crowder-Smart-Horford-Thomas supporting cast we have now. There is no guarantee that the East will be as vulnerable as it is this year and finally, there is no garuntee any of these '18 year old kids are ever half the player Butler or George is today.
And you feel there are guarantees the other way around?

Re: Who needs Butler or George...we got Jaylen!
« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2017, 12:55:25 AM »

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And soon to be Jaylen and Fultz or Jackson.
Exactly. We coulda got Bulter for 2 years or we could get both these guys for maybe 4 minimum at a way lower price
Because when Jackson and Brown are near their primes there is 0 guarantee that we will be able to surround them with the Crowder-Smart-Horford-Thomas supporting cast we have now. There is no guarantee that the East will be as vulnerable as it is this year and finally, there is no garuntee any of these '18 year old kids are ever half the player Butler or George is today.
And you feel there are guarantees the other way around?
there certainly arent

Re: Who needs Butler or George...we got Jaylen!
« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2017, 01:15:33 AM »

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George Bush is borderline mentally retarded.
pretty insensitive. Im not a huge fan of that word.

I love the quote tho. I decided to add a quote as my signature and the authors of my other two favorite quotes were Atticus Finch(a racist) and Henry Ford(a Nazi sympathizer).

Im keeping the quote because I like it and think we could all (most certainly including myself) learn from it.

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« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2017, 01:56:12 AM »

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George Bush is borderline mentally retarded.
pretty insensitive. Im not a huge fan of that word.

I love the quote tho. I decided to add a quote as my signature and the authors of my other two favorite quotes were Atticus Finch(a racist) and Henry Ford(a Nazi sympathizer).

Im keeping the quote because I like it and think we could all (most certainly including myself) learn from it.

If you want to like Orson Scott Card it helps not to learn too much about Orson Scott Card. Ender's Game can be read as an apology letter for Hitler without too much of a stretch.

Re: Who needs Butler or George...we got Jaylen!
« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2017, 03:47:42 AM »

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I Am a fan of the Eye Test as well and last night I Saw what I needed to see.. I dont care about high school and College numbers they dont mean to much to me. What I care about is hunger and Desire and a who wants to compete in the biggest moment against the biggest players..  Jaylen never backed down from Lebron last night.. In fact he went at him, begged for him and when he answered Lebrons 3 with his own 3 he pointed him out...
These are Alpha traits..   This Kid has the heart of a lion.. He is going to be special..
« Last Edit: March 02, 2017, 03:01:26 PM by chiken Green »

Re: Who needs Butler or George...we got Jaylen!
« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2017, 12:44:52 PM »

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http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2017/03/jaylen_browns_progress_giving.html

"While the sample size there is small, he has punished guards near the rim, with the footwork, strength and athleticism to cause plenty of mismatches down there. Especially if his shooting stroke continues to progress, it's not hard to envision Brown becoming a matchup nightmare, capable of bursting past slower defenders or bruising smaller ones."

It is insane how well he has been doing.

I'm not surprised he's a #3 pick. I wouldn't want him to be rookie James Young irrelevant.

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« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2017, 12:45:35 PM »

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I Am a fan of the Eye Test as well and last night I Saw what I needed to see.. I dont care about high school and College numbers they dont mean to much to me. What I care about is hunger and Desire and a who wants to compete in the biggest moment against the biggest players..  Jaylen never backed down from Lebron last night.. In fact he went at him, begged or him and when he answered Lebrons 3 with his own 3 he pointed him out...
These are Alpha traits..   This Kid has the heart of a lion.. He is going to be special..

I keep telling folks... Eastern Green Mamba!!

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« Reply #56 on: March 02, 2017, 12:58:21 PM »

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Playoffs asswhooping coming up for a party of 15 to send delusional fans back to reality
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Re: Who needs Butler or George...we got Jaylen!
« Reply #57 on: March 02, 2017, 02:01:14 PM »

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I Am a fan of the Eye Test as well and last night I Saw what I needed to see.. I dont care about high school and College numbers they dont mean to much to me. What I care about is hunger and Desire and a who wants to compete in the biggest moment against the biggest players..  Jaylen never backed down from Lebron last night.. In fact he went at him, begged or him and when he answered Lebrons 3 with his own 3 he pointed him out...
These are Alpha traits..   This Kid has the heart of a lion.. He is going to be special..

Yes. And brown is only going to get better.. stronger and better

I enjoy watching his two way play

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« Reply #58 on: March 02, 2017, 02:04:18 PM »

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Jaylen is averaging 6/3 in the entire season in 16 MPG.

BUT... in the last 10 games, when he's averaging 25 MPG, he's averaging 10/5.

And this is just his rookie season. STUD!
"Tough times never last, but tough people do." - Robert H. Schuller

Re: Who needs Butler or George...we got Jaylen!
« Reply #59 on: March 02, 2017, 03:05:22 PM »

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He's doing this on a playoff team...  A team that is fighting for a 1 seed.. He is in the game during Crucial moments contributing..

Cant see how someone cant be hyped up over the potential of this 20 year old kid.