Who needs Butler or George...we got Jaylen!

[Phantom255x]

Agreed...but we could have Both Jaylen and Butler by draft night.

At the expense of Bradley, Fultz/Ball/Jackson and possibly Crowder or Smart.

NO THANK YOU.

Nah---not on Draft night...we get the #1 pick...Price for Butler or even George comes down greatly.

Bradley/Zeller/Top 2 Pick gets you Butler on draft night.

Oh because I was thinking that Ainge might go after Butler + Griffin/Hayward.

To make it fit, AB, Crowder and #1-2 pick leaves via trade, and no one gets re-signed unless they want to come back with an exception.

That's what some people have proposed here.

If Ainge doesn't feel Hayward or Griffin are coming here, then yeah I would do that trade alone.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I'd rather have Fultz or Jackson than Butler.  If it's Ball or Isaac and Bradley for Butler, then I pull the trigger.

[hwangjini_1]

I'm almost a bit concerned about how good his shooting numbers have been lately.  This efficiency is clearly not sustainable and we should temper our expectations and be accepting when he inevitably goes into a shooting slump instead of grumbling about how he's "regressed."

His form looks really good and he's not taking bad shots now (which affected his numbers early on). No reason to think he can't keep knocking down open looks like he has been. Sure, he'll have cold streaks from outside.

I'm surprised by his shooting just based on the scouting report of him in college as a non-shooter. But everything I've seen of him this year indicates he can be a plus shooter in the league. What's with his free throws, though?

well, his college career was only 28 games i think. it is hard to base opinions and predictions on such a small sample size for a 19 year old player.

that is why so many misses take place by GMs in the nba i guess.

[mahcus smaht]

I'm almost a bit concerned about how good his shooting numbers have been lately.  This efficiency is clearly not sustainable and we should temper our expectations and be accepting when he inevitably goes into a shooting slump instead of grumbling about how he's "regressed."

His form looks really good and he's not taking bad shots now (which affected his numbers early on). No reason to think he can't keep knocking down open looks like he has been. Sure, he'll have cold streaks from outside.

I'm surprised by his shooting just based on the scouting report of him in college as a non-shooter. But everything I've seen of him this year indicates he can be a plus shooter in the league. What's with his free throws, though?

He is shooting a not-terrible 70% from the line. I expect that number to go up. His form looks fine.

[hwangjini_1]

I'm almost a bit concerned about how good his shooting numbers have been lately.  This efficiency is clearly not sustainable and we should temper our expectations and be accepting when he inevitably goes into a shooting slump instead of grumbling about how he's "regressed."

His form looks really good and he's not taking bad shots now (which affected his numbers early on). No reason to think he can't keep knocking down open looks like he has been. Sure, he'll have cold streaks from outside.

I'm surprised by his shooting just based on the scouting report of him in college as a non-shooter. But everything I've seen of him this year indicates he can be a plus shooter in the league. What's with his free throws, though?

He is shooting a not-terrible 70% from the line. I expect that number to go up. His form looks fine.

brown shot 65.4% in college. so i guess he has improved. i think he will continue to improve.

[nickagneta]

I'm almost a bit concerned about how good his shooting numbers have been lately.  This efficiency is clearly not sustainable and we should temper our expectations and be accepting when he inevitably goes into a shooting slump instead of grumbling about how he's "regressed."

I'd have to look up the stats to back it up but I believe a lot of the shots he is taking are open. If that is the case I don't expect to see a ton of regression

He's a guy who's supposed to miss wide open threes though (cf. free throws).  I think we have to anticipate at least a little bit of regression.

I don't know that he's supposed to miss open jump shots though. I get that people use FT% as an indicator for 3P% potential. But they are very different shots. I think the link is just that good shooters tend to be good at both, though there are exceptions.

Look at Avery Bradley as a guy with relatively low FT% with good 3P%. But maybe he is supposed to regress too. I actually think Bradley is just one of those guys who has a (relative) problem with free throws for some reason. I don't expect a ton of regression in his three point shooting (maybe some).

Difference here is that Avery's FT% is merely "not great (76%)"  Jaylen's FT% is bad (69%). 

FT% and 3P% are not equal, but they are highly correlated. In the entire history of the NBA, only 47 times has a player averaged better than 35% 3P% while shooting less than 70% at the line. 

Now there are some utter weirdo numbers on that list (did you know: Rodney Rodgers shot 64% form the line and 44%(!) from three in 2000), but for the most part you can't be a league average three point shooter while being a poor free throw shooter.

Brown is currently shooting 69.9% from the free throw line in 93 attempts. So by your reasoning for him to go from a bad shooter to a not great shooter he would have had to make a whole 4 more shots at the free throw line this entire year. Call me crazy, but I am not about to call Brown a bad free throw shooter over 4 free throws missed. He is a rookie. My guess is his FT% will improve as the years go by and he will ultimately be looked at as a good free throw shooter. His total shot, from three and from the line, looks smooth. I think he will be pretty darn good going forward.

[oldtype]

I'm almost a bit concerned about how good his shooting numbers have been lately.  This efficiency is clearly not sustainable and we should temper our expectations and be accepting when he inevitably goes into a shooting slump instead of grumbling about how he's "regressed."

I'd have to look up the stats to back it up but I believe a lot of the shots he is taking are open. If that is the case I don't expect to see a ton of regression

He's a guy who's supposed to miss wide open threes though (cf. free throws).  I think we have to anticipate at least a little bit of regression.

I don't know that he's supposed to miss open jump shots though. I get that people use FT% as an indicator for 3P% potential. But they are very different shots. I think the link is just that good shooters tend to be good at both, though there are exceptions.

Look at Avery Bradley as a guy with relatively low FT% with good 3P%. But maybe he is supposed to regress too. I actually think Bradley is just one of those guys who has a (relative) problem with free throws for some reason. I don't expect a ton of regression in his three point shooting (maybe some).

Difference here is that Avery's FT% is merely "not great (76%)"  Jaylen's FT% is bad (69%). 

FT% and 3P% are not equal, but they are highly correlated. In the entire history of the NBA, only 47 times has a player averaged better than 35% 3P% while shooting less than 70% at the line. 

Now there are some utter weirdo numbers on that list (did you know: Rodney Rodgers shot 64% form the line and 44%(!) from three in 2000), but for the most part you can't be a league average three point shooter while being a poor free throw shooter.

Brown is currently shooting 69.9% from the free throw line in 93 attempts. So by your reasoning for him to go from a bad shooter to a not great shooter he would have had to make a whole 4 more shots at the free throw line this entire year. Call me crazy, but I am not about to call Brown a bad free throw shooter over 4 free throws missed. He is a rookie. My guess is his FT% will improve as the years go by and he will ultimately be looked at as a good free throw shooter. His total shot, from three and from the line, looks smooth. I think he will be pretty darn good going forward.

That's not how correlation works.  That's not how my reasoning works.  That's not how anything works.

[green_bballers13]

I'm almost a bit concerned about how good his shooting numbers have been lately.  This efficiency is clearly not sustainable and we should temper our expectations and be accepting when he inevitably goes into a shooting slump instead of grumbling about how he's "regressed."

His form looks really good and he's not taking bad shots now (which affected his numbers early on). No reason to think he can't keep knocking down open looks like he has been. Sure, he'll have cold streaks from outside.

I'm surprised by his shooting just based on the scouting report of him in college as a non-shooter. But everything I've seen of him this year indicates he can be a plus shooter in the league. What's with his free throws, though?

That's the thing, his free throw numbers are terrible yet he's making a ridiculously high percentage from three.  I accept that he's gotten better at shooting, but you have to assume that one of those numbers is an aberration and I don't think it's the free throws.

Why can't his low free throw % be an aberration? His shooting stroke looks good.

[Mlewis1392]

I would love to see Jaylen paired with Jayson Tatum for years to come. Those boys know how to score and pass the eye test.

 I'm really impressed with Tatum he can score in transition and half court. He knows how to create for himself and create space from his defender. Great game when driving to the rim but really impressed with his way to make seperation for his shot. Hes no slacker when it comes to the defensive end either. Good IQ knows when to score smd distribute can contribute on the boards.

Marcus, Jaylen, and Jayson would be a great trio to go forward in the futue. Leaving the 2018 draft to select our future big unless Giles slips into the late first with value to trade back into the first round.

[Eja117]

And soon to be Jaylen and Fultz or Jackson.

Exactly. We coulda got Bulter for 2 years or we could get both these guys for maybe 4 minimum at a way lower price

[nickagneta]

I'm almost a bit concerned about how good his shooting numbers have been lately.  This efficiency is clearly not sustainable and we should temper our expectations and be accepting when he inevitably goes into a shooting slump instead of grumbling about how he's "regressed."

His form looks really good and he's not taking bad shots now (which affected his numbers early on). No reason to think he can't keep knocking down open looks like he has been. Sure, he'll have cold streaks from outside.

I'm surprised by his shooting just based on the scouting report of him in college as a non-shooter. But everything I've seen of him this year indicates he can be a plus shooter in the league. What's with his free throws, though?

That's the thing, his free throw numbers are terrible yet he's making a ridiculously high percentage from three.  I accept that he's gotten better at shooting, but you have to assume that one of those numbers is an aberration and I don't think it's the free throws.

Why can't his low free throw % be an aberration? His shooting stroke looks good.

As I stated, if Brown had simply hit 4 more free throws this year, just 4, we wouldn't be having this discussion because he wouldn't be called a poor free throw shooter. People are making decisions on his shooting of free throws based on the ridiculously small sample size of 93 FTAs in his career.

[Ilikesports17]

And soon to be Jaylen and Fultz or Jackson.

Exactly. We coulda got Bulter for 2 years or we could get both these guys for maybe 4 minimum at a way lower price

Because when Jackson and Brown are near their primes there is 0 guarantee that we will be able to surround them with the Crowder-Smart-Horford-Thomas supporting cast we have now. There is no guarantee that the East will be as vulnerable as it is this year and finally, there is no garuntee any of these '18 year old kids are ever half the player Butler or George is today.

[SHAQATTACK]

Boy if we could add Fultz  to Brown we 'd be setting pretty.    That would be a fearsome  two headed monster .

[clevelandceltic]

I would love to see Jaylen paired with Jayson Tatum for years to come. Those boys know how to score and pass the eye test.

 I'm really impressed with Tatum he can score in transition and half court. He knows how to create for himself and create space from his defender. Great game when driving to the rim but really impressed with his way to make seperation for his shot. Hes no slacker when it comes to the defensive end either. Good IQ knows when to score smd distribute can contribute on the boards.

Marcus, Jaylen, and Jayson would be a great trio to go forward in the futue. Leaving the 2018 draft to select our future big unless Giles slips into the late first with value to trade back into the first round.

Im 100% there with you on this one.

[Ilikesports17]

I'm almost a bit concerned about how good his shooting numbers have been lately.  This efficiency is clearly not sustainable and we should temper our expectations and be accepting when he inevitably goes into a shooting slump instead of grumbling about how he's "regressed."

His form looks really good and he's not taking bad shots now (which affected his numbers early on). No reason to think he can't keep knocking down open looks like he has been. Sure, he'll have cold streaks from outside.

I'm surprised by his shooting just based on the scouting report of him in college as a non-shooter. But everything I've seen of him this year indicates he can be a plus shooter in the league. What's with his free throws, though?

That's the thing, his free throw numbers are terrible yet he's making a ridiculously high percentage from three.  I accept that he's gotten better at shooting, but you have to assume that one of those numbers is an aberration and I don't think it's the free throws.

Why can't his low free throw % be an aberration? His shooting stroke looks good.

As I stated, if Brown had simply hit 4 more free throws this year, just 4, we wouldn't be having this discussion because he wouldn't be called a poor free throw shooter. People are making decisions on his shooting of free throws based on the ridiculously small sample size of 93 FTAs in his career.

Then you cant talk about any numbers.

Brown was a bad free throw shooter (on decent sample size) and a bad three point shooter(smallish sample size) in college.

He comes to the pros and in two sets of small sample sizes hes been solid form 3 and bad from the stripe, so really you cant make any conclusion, but if youd have to pick the number thats probably an aberration, Id pick his recent lights out shooting from deep.