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Re: Ibaka traded to Toronto
« Reply #105 on: February 14, 2017, 04:53:59 PM »

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This signals that Danny is all about "trade / sign a superstar or stand pat and develop the youth."

I don't know if I agree with that.  The problem with Ibaka is that he is a free agent after the season.  Why trade for a guy like that when you can sign him outright? 

I think if the appropriate opportunity comes along for an Ibaka-like addition - solid, near all-star veteran talent - that Danny would pull the trigger so long as this player is under the Cs control for a few years at reasonable money.  But how many of those players are out there? 

Re: Ibaka traded to Toronto
« Reply #106 on: February 14, 2017, 04:56:29 PM »

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Celtics were not willing to include Rozier in a potential Ibaka trade per multiple sources.

Yeah, I would not have done that either...could be used for a bigger fish.

I wouldn't let Rozier be a sticking point. I suspect Danny just wasn't interested in a rental and/or paying Ibaka $25 million+ per season.
Agreed I'm thinking they didn't want to resign him so why give up anything of value just for a single season push when it doesn't put you over Cavs
This. Ibaka is going to be looking for a max next summer and someone is going to give it to him, which means around $30 mil per year. I wouldn't want the C's paying him that and if they're not going to, why give up assets for 3 months of a player that might not put them over the top anyway?
who is going to give Ibaka 30 million?

Looks like the Raptors will.

Re: Ibaka traded to Toronto
« Reply #107 on: February 14, 2017, 04:59:08 PM »

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I dont see how this makes them better.

Re: Ibaka traded to Toronto
« Reply #108 on: February 14, 2017, 05:03:31 PM »

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I dont see how this makes them better.

Ibaka is an immediate upgrade over any PF on their roster. Losing Ross won't hurt because he's not very good. Overpay for an expiring but they are in win now mode.

Re: Ibaka traded to Toronto
« Reply #109 on: February 14, 2017, 05:08:18 PM »

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Celtics were not willing to include Rozier in a potential Ibaka trade per multiple sources.

Yeah, I would not have done that either...could be used for a bigger fish.

I wouldn't let Rozier be a sticking point. I suspect Danny just wasn't interested in a rental and/or paying Ibaka $25 million+ per season.
Agreed I'm thinking they didn't want to resign him so why give up anything of value just for a single season push when it doesn't put you over Cavs
This. Ibaka is going to be looking for a max next summer and someone is going to give it to him, which means around $30 mil per year. I wouldn't want the C's paying him that and if they're not going to, why give up assets for 3 months of a player that might not put them over the top anyway?
who is going to give Ibaka 30 million?

Looks like the Raptors will.
I think he is in that Dwight Howard range 70 mil$ for 3 years, but it only takes one to dance in this case.
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Re: Ibaka traded to Toronto
« Reply #110 on: February 14, 2017, 05:09:54 PM »

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I dont see how this makes them better.

Me either. He's better than Sully but he's definitely on the downside. I guess they can stand him in the corner and he can shoot open 3s but couldn't Ross do that. I guess it comes down to how he'll play with Toronto's other bigs. I thought they played a lot of small ball with only one big on the floor?
Toronto is making a desperation move here...

Re: Ibaka traded to Toronto
« Reply #111 on: February 14, 2017, 05:14:57 PM »

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Oh boy...that contract is going to look BAD...wish them well with that!

I mean... we do still have Horford at a max slot, no?

I take Horford's contract now over Ibaka's... He's at least going to get 20-25 million.

They're number are pretty similar. Ibaka's the better 3pt shooter, while Al's the superior passer. Even if you believe the talk of Ibaka being older than his reported age, Ibaka @ $20m-$25m versus Al @ $26m-$30m are pretty similar values.

The difference is that Ibaka's whole career has been based on his superior athleticism while Al's had been his bbiq. If Ibaka loses his athleticism (as appears to be the case), he is just going to be an overpaid past his prime Kendrick Perkins.

Ibaka may seem to be hovering around his career numbers, but his impact on winning isn't in the same stratosphere as Al's. Orlando really isn't that bad of a team on paper and they even have a solid coach. Their draft day deal was a total dud and that pretty much rests solely on Ibaka and the impact the Magic thought he would have.

Meanwhile, IT, Al, and the Cs are cruising right along fighting for the #1 seed all the while dealing with significant injuries throughout the season. Has Al ever been on a bad team in his life?
I don't even remember people praising Ibaka's team defense. Mostly just his shot blocking, which takes a big hit if he loses athleticism. Flashier than Horford, but has never been as good.

Re: Ibaka traded to Toronto
« Reply #112 on: February 14, 2017, 05:16:57 PM »

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I dont see how this makes them better.

Ibaka is an immediate upgrade over any PF on their roster. Losing Ross won't hurt because he's not very good. Overpay for an expiring but they are in win now mode.
That is very much true, but I dont see Dwane Casey being able to use him correctly; In my opinion he is the worst coach in the NBA. Just look at their system, majority of the "plays" are just Kyle and Derozen iso's; they only reason they have been winning is because those two are two great iso players. All Ibaka is going to do is to stand in the corner and shoot 3's when the iso fails.

Re: Ibaka traded to Toronto
« Reply #113 on: February 14, 2017, 05:21:24 PM »

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They wanted Millsap, and it was clear that Bud wasn't going to trade him away.

Long term, there's the 2017 free agency ramifications to consider when you're taking into account, the long term luxury tax implications that is craftily waiting in the darkness to swoop the Raptors in.  They have $76,749,940 committed to nine guaranteed contracts this offseason, but that doesn’t include Lowry, Ibaka, or Patterson’s upcoming free agency. Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe Saltlover can confirm.

Looking at the contract egiblity for Lowry on my phone, who is about to be 31, he is going to be able to obtain a tier three max contract of five years. Which will eclipse $207,060,498! He's going to most likely get somewhere close to that with absolutely no regard, considering how much he means to the Raptors. Pair that with Patterson or Ibaka netting a sizable deal, and the Raptors are already going to eclipse the $122 million luxury tax threshold.

Ibaka has a cap hold of $18,375,000, and is eligible for a tier two max salary which will render him around $30,600,000, or a max of $177,480,000 over 5 years. He's possibly not going to get anywhere near that number. But he will most likely end up around 22-25 million with raises based on performance. Toronto advantages over this gives him full qualify/bird rights, and being able to offer Ibaka the 5th year, but I question how this affects Jonas V, and Caroll, who are tying up $16,539,326, and $14,800,000    respectively. That's 31,339,326 alone in two contracts!

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If they re-sign Ibaka anywhere near to 24-28 million, the Raptors will literally be banking on hoping that their starting five can win a championship, or a fire sale will start happening in one to two years.
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Re: Ibaka traded to Toronto
« Reply #114 on: February 14, 2017, 05:29:13 PM »

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If they plan on resigning both Ibaka and Lowry then God bless 'em. That's a lot of dough and will definitely have luxury tax implications down the road. Still don't think that makes them a true contenders though.


I like Ibaka but the reality is he wouldn't have been re-signed by the C's.

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« Reply #115 on: February 14, 2017, 05:30:30 PM »

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I dont see how this makes them better.

Ibaka is an immediate upgrade over any PF on their roster. Losing Ross won't hurt because he's not very good. Overpay for an expiring but they are in win now mode.

Easily the best PF they have.

It also smooths out their big man rotation since Ibaka can play the 5 as well in a small ball lineup next to Patterson.
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« Reply #116 on: February 14, 2017, 05:31:29 PM »

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I dont see how this makes them better.

Ibaka is an immediate upgrade over any PF on their roster. Losing Ross won't hurt because he's not very good. Overpay for an expiring but they are in win now mode.

Easily the best PF they have.

It also smooths out their big man rotation since Ibaka can play the 5 as well in a small ball lineup next to Patterson.

Problem is its been proven that Ibaka can guard 5 occasionally, but he really does struggle heavily against low post scorers or beefy fives with any pronounced post game.
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« Reply #117 on: February 14, 2017, 05:37:11 PM »

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If they plan on resigning both Ibaka and Lowry then God bless 'em. That's a lot of dough and will definitely have luxury tax implications down the road. Still don't think that makes them a true contenders though.


I like Ibaka but the reality is he wouldn't have been re-signed by the C's.

They've certainly signed up for the luxury tax with this trade.

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« Reply #118 on: February 14, 2017, 05:37:27 PM »

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Good trade for now for toronto.  How it pans out with contracts we'll have to wait and see.  I like adding him to torontos roster but still am not sure that can put them above boston or washington.  Look at the injuries we've had so far this season and we are still #2 seed.

Ibaka traded to Raptors for Terrence Ross+1st round pick.
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Celtics were having discussions but wouldn't budge on Rozier apparently.
Toronto will resign in offseason and Ibaka is happy with that.

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/14/14610764/serge-ibaka-trade-raptors-magic-terrence-ross-nba-rumors?_ga=1.49007342.994554298.1477025061

Makes them much tougher in the playoffs IMO.
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