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The Celtics could use a win tonight
« on: February 09, 2017, 02:25:50 PM »

Offline CelticPride2016

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Every team loses games it shouldn't. Even Golden State. You can't win them all. It is a long season.

I guess last night was a "scheduled loss." I'll get back to that phrase at the end of this fan rant. Maybe we needed Cousins to play. His being out turned it into an instant trap game.

The point of tonight's game is to show we can win after losses and especially on the road.

I once made the comment that it really isn't far-fetched us beating Cleveland or even Golden State in a seven game series. We'd have to go 4-3. That's a .571 winning percentage, far below the .635 we are at. Yes, it is a skewed, homer way of looking at things. I am still waiting for possible Danny trade deadline moves.

Does Amir Johnson look young and fresh the last several games? He does to me. So even though last night was a bitter loss, that could be a silver lining.

We had too many players with bad shooting nights, as if it was contagious.

Horford and Isaiah had mediocre games for their talent. Horford looks old at times or a lot of the time. That is a bad sign for someone aged 30. If Amir is just having a little spurt of rejuvenating, he doesn't have to be resigned. We are stuck with Horford. Stuck is the wrong word. He is a very good player. He's just not playing as if he is worth $25-30 million.

Stevens shouldn't have put Jerebko back in for the second half. It was obvious he was going to be useless last night.

Olynyk was a stat machine. I know he took a good number of shots while in there, but there were a couple times when he had the best opportunity yet dished it off for a worse one with the clock winding down. I wish he'd stop wimping out. There needs to be a balance between ball hogging and basketball hot potatoes.

Too many guys in one game were ice cold. That's what I think happened. Stevens wasn't going to shorten the rotation for the first game of a back to back against a scrub team missing their superstar.

But to get back to why we should beat Portland tonight. I quickly reviewed the season. We have won after every loss except for three times when we went on three game losing streaks. Otherwise, the C's have come back from losses with wins nine times in twelve opportunities.

Maybe it is like Monopoly when you keep landing on the same properties.

I saw the other thread pertaining to variances in shooting efficiency. Maybe that is what got me thinking at our current team situation in terms of stats.

If the same pattern holds, if we lose tonight, we will lose another, then win. Or we win tonight and continue to show a developing resilience from losing more than singletons.

You can't win them all, but teams that know how to bounce back from bad losses are more bound to have deep playoff runs. That could be us. Someone posted on why we should really go after the first or second seed. We want to force Cleveland and Toronto to knock off the other clearing a possible path to the Finals or at least the ECF.

But health matters, too. So I imagine there will be more scheduled losses. I'm not saying Stevens tanked us. It was the basketball gods and the ebbs and flows of a grueling 82 game campaign for playoff positioning.

Re: The Celtics could use a win tonight
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2017, 02:42:17 PM »

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The short handed kings on 2 days rest is the opposite of a "scheduled loss"

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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2017, 02:45:27 PM »

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Side note. Celtics are actually slight underdogs for this game per vegas. Is it a real bad spot for them back to back on west coast time and missing one of their best perimeter defenders against Lillard/Mccollum.

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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2017, 02:59:35 PM »

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Jaylen had some nice moves---but he's gotta start finishing those shots.

I expect a double digit loss tonight---dog days of the schedule right now---guys waiting for the all star break.
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2017, 03:08:46 PM »

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Side note. Celtics are actually slight underdogs for this game per vegas. Is it a real bad spot for them back to back on west coast time and missing one of their best perimeter defenders against Lillard/Mccollum.

I agree. AB being out is huge in this game… Probably the single most determining factor.

Both Lillard and McCollum when they were in Boston last  were singing Avery's praises. They called him the best perimeter defender in the league.

Given that their best two players are guards  and we are without our best guard defender, I hope we don't get smashed.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2017, 03:14:35 PM »

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We should still win. We are better than Portland. AB or not.

Plus we've been good on back to backs and team should bep---ed from last night.

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2017, 03:46:53 PM »

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I agree with what you say on the "contagious bad shooting nights". I comes from the fact that we rely heavily on IT. When he's hot the team follows him, but some nights, I feel Celtics play as one of the worst shooting teams of the league. Maybe it's the youth.

Or as you say, it "has" to happen from time to time. Yet, if you aim for 2nd seed, losing to cousins-less Kings can just not happen. If we won, then I would be ok with a loss tonight, on a back-to-back against Lillard/McCollum. I even think Brad could have thrown the game and let younger guys play.

But now it becomes a must-win on a back to back night.

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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2017, 08:00:05 PM »

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I agree with what you say on the "contagious bad shooting nights". [It] comes from the fact that we rely heavily on IT. When he's hot the team follows him, but some nights, I feel Celtics play as one of the worst shooting teams of the league. Maybe it's the youth.

I don't get why Olynyk only played 15 minutes. He has a clean stat sheet in the box score.

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Or as you say, it "has" to happen from time to time. Yet, if you aim for 2nd seed, losing to cousins-less Kings can just not happen. If we won, then I would be ok with a loss tonight, on a back-to-back against Lillard/McCollum. I even think Brad could have thrown the game and let younger guys play.

We are usually solid in back to backs. Smart had only two assists to three turnovers. Rozier shot 0-6, Gerald 2-7, Jae 0-6, Isaiah 6-16. That's a lot of bricks. I.T. had seven assists to three turnovers. Nothing spectacular, and Smart had pitiful point guard stats. Doc Rivers would have coached us a win last night. That's his style. Brad doesn't seem to give a heck about losing games. It doesn't seem so. Doc was by the book, the oldest and most reliable players got penciled in, then he kicked back. Stevens goes off into lala land and sometimes it backfires. He took a few too many cookies from the substitution jar.

It felt like Brad was experimenting. There's no way to say he tanked it. I think Brad Stevens had an off-night. I thought Jerebko shouldn't have returned. More Olynyk. More Zeller for Jerebko. He got his face smashed in. Let Avery and Jerebko heal. Up the minutes for the next guys. Brown, Olynyk and Smart should have gotten huge minutes. Green shouldn't have played.

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But now it becomes a must-win on a back to back night.

Not exactly, but if we start hitting a wall, we could lose home court for the playoffs.

And the trading season is coming up. That trading deadline. Everyone is on pins and needles.

I hope Brad puts something better together for tonight. The key is to have at least three guys putting up big numbers or the team as a whole. That game was fairly close into the fourth quarter. It turned into reverse Gino Time. It felt similar to the Knicks loss and that three game losing streak.

So yes, a win tonight couldn't hurt.

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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2017, 08:13:05 PM »

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Side note. Celtics are actually slight underdogs for this game per vegas. Is it a real bad spot for them back to back on west coast time and missing one of their best perimeter defenders against Lillard/Mccollum.

This will be a great barometer game. It's funny how one loss can instantly ruin the good vibes from the long winning streak. But it was the way we lost. That was terrible.

"Dog days of the schedule" is accurate.

Portland always seems to inflict pain.

If we win, I'll be happy. If we lose, I will probably start panicking. Trade for Noel. Sign Sanders. But I did like Amir. He looked fresher than ever. He is one of our top players when healthy. Most of the time unfortunately he has looked like damaged goods, send him out to pasture time. Unless I'm seeing things. Horford looks like he has creaky legs. I hate to be negative.

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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2017, 09:43:49 PM »

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Lot of bad shooting last night and the bench was simply terrible. It happens. I have no problem with who played or how Stevens ran substitutions, it was pretty much in line with what has been going on for weeks. It was just a bad shooting night and a horrid night for the second unit. I expect a better effort tonight.

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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2017, 10:56:32 PM »

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Re: The Celtics could use a win tonight
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2017, 02:07:20 AM »

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My math was a little fuzzy in the opening post.

In games after losses, we are now 13-6. We've had three, three game losing streaks and that's it. Otherwise, we are winning the games after losses. That bodes well for the playoffs.

I thought Brad was still in a haze in the first half not knowing what to do about no Bradley and no Crowder.

The move to Gerald Green paid off. I don't know what he was thinking putting James Young in there. Good Rozier showed up. The good version of nearly every Celtic showed. Except also Jerebko. I wouldn't be surprised if he is suffering pain and headaches. He looked like a mess and should be in bed. Mickey is getting no love. Zeller hasn't really done anything to create playing time despite Jerebko banged up. Tyler played because Jonas was that bad.

Jaylen Brown played 33 minutes. He is still choking at the rim at times, but so is Horford.

Horford was solid. He wasn't a max player tonight, more like we'd expect from signing Amir. And Johnson only saw 15 minutes. I hope he didn't sprain something. Like I said, the last couple weeks he seems to be his old self with no plantar fasciitis or creaky ankles or whatever has been holding him back.

Horford is almost as cringworthy as Superman from two feet away, just not close enough to get a dunk or easy layup.

Bradley improved immensely at finishing at the rim. He needs to speak with Al about it. And with Jaylen. But Jaylen showed signs of greatness, and in a Smart like manner, he helped us win despite some ugly facets.

Isaiah had another mediocre game by his standards. It was still an all-star performance. It wasn't Kobe chucking an 11-33. He only had four assists to two turnovers. He shot 11-26, but compensated by nailing 10 of 11 free throws. Smart had a perfect point guard night, five assists to zero turnovers. The C's only had 8 turnovers as a team. We out-rebounded them 43-41. Smart actually played like an all-star. That is not hyperbole. He had a very good shooting night at 8-13. He had five steals and six rebounds. Marcus Smart was the clear cut player of the game.

Rozier was outstanding. This was a great win all things considered. Looking ahead for the next three it's at Utah (tough game), then at Dallas and then Philly at home. The schedule doesn't look too intimidating. Beating Utah would be huge. Portland is much better than their record indicates, but obviously Utah will be even more difficult to beat. But then we should have two cupcake games as long as Brown, Smart and others continue to get it done. Isaiah might be a little spent. Marcus Smart emerging as a solid point guard has been one of the big ifs we needed to happen. That was a humongous win. I've never been more prideful in the Boston Celtics.

I admit to having a dog in the hunt. I predicted 65 wins based on optimal conditions. I think our win rate might be close to that when everyone is healthy. Anyway, I was using hyperbole to counter the negative nellies claiming 45-50 wins.

I predicted we'd finish 27-7 to end up 57-25. There are only 29 games left. Tonight's game and the one coming up against Utah are huge barometer games. We now have to go 23-6 to win 57 games. That might get us the #1 seed. Cleveland lost today and looks stressed out. We are in a much stronger position than last year at this time. We need to close out the season like we did tonight's first half. 60 wins would be even better, but we'd have to go 26-3.  :o

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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2017, 02:10:06 AM »

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I think you are one of the guys who would trade all the Brooklyn picks, Crowder, Bradley and Olynyk for Cousins. Though you were correct that Sully was hanging out too much at Dairy Queen. You win some, you lose some.

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2017, 02:35:47 AM »

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Celtics Blog should pin a thread at the top where we suggest to these guys what they need to do, like I've tried to aid Stevens' development. I said we were going nowhere without big ifs including Jaylen Brown as a key rotation member by the end of the year.

I'm just kidding, but Brad had those years at Butler shaping Cinderella teams. Why not us?

Someone needs to speak to ....
And here's a suggestion .....

Just a place to unwind without fear of the troll label. I hated David Lee. I loved Gerald Wallace, Humphries and Bass. I liked the first Brad year, somehow. I hated the cynical last years of the Big Three. I liked Pierce, Antoine and Coach O'Brien. That was fun. When Big Baby ran over the kid in Orlando. That's what I'm talking about. We don't have to win it all for it to be special. I have almost completely forgotten the Big Three final years and am fascinated by the 3+ year Brad Stevens story line.

I hope Bradley isn't too rusty when he gets back. That could hurt my chances of nailing the win prediction.

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2017, 06:25:45 AM »

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I think you are one of the guys who would trade all the Brooklyn picks, Crowder, Bradley and Olynyk for Cousins. Though you were correct that Sully was hanging out too much at Dairy Queen. You win some, you lose some.

Not quite that radical for Cousins .... ;D. ....I would trade all,that and more for Anthony Davis ...yes in a NY second. Him being so young , We would have plenty of time to,gather up,more players  I still would not trade Smart , he is a super special type guy. 

Yes , I want Cousins bad , but I would not give up,all that . One Nets pick plus lesser first and  Bradley or Brown and JJ and Zeller throw ins
 

Now where is million dollars !  ;D