Jahlil Okafor May Be On His Way to New Orleans

[Granath]

celticsclay, posting multiple comments that show your own position has been all over the place on this isn't helping your case any.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=88502.msg2223281#msg2223281

It's unambiguous my friend.

It's not a personal attack. It's simply that you're not going to get away posting "alternative facts" to pass yourself off as being correct when you clearly were not. Continuing to insist you were despite the above direct quote from you just insults the intelligence of everyone else on this board.

[celticsclay]

I told everyone about a month ago that Okafor wouldn't get much more than a late first rounder. I was called crazy, delusional and insulted in various manners by a few posters on the board. Kind of funny if a month later that is exactly what happens. (unless people are pretending a plodding 28 year third string French center is some kind of haul)

Actually, the argument was that the 76ers couldn't get a 1st for him. The goalposts only moved once the ludicrousness of that statement was made clear. In fact you indicated that many Philly fans would take 2 2nds. If the argument about lottery protection is the only thing standing in the way of this deal then that is further evidence to the stupidity of the statement that he isn't worth a first.

In short, don't break your arm patting yourself on your back. You're still wrong.

That is not true.. there may have been some confusion in a thread with a lot of back and forth, but I repeatedly clarified I said they would only get a late first round for him. If they get a top 14 protected pick for him and it ends up being the 18th or 19th pick I was clearly a lot closer on his value than others were. Not really sure what you are going on about.

There wasn't any confusion in that thread. The statement was made that Philly couldn't get a 1st round pick for Okafor. You yourself indicated that many Philly fans would be happy with 2 2nd round picks. No, it was quite clear what the argument was about.

You weren't closer than many others either. Many of us have been saying that Okafor's value was around a mid-1st for a while now. I said he wasn't worth the #3 or even a top 8 during lottery time last year (when his value was a bit higher) and I've also said he was worth more than a 2nd rounder or even a late first (recently). It's only a small, loud segment who was claiming that Okafor was a top 5 talent and an even smaller segment who think he's worth less than a small pizza and a diet coke.

In short, don't try moving the goalposts and then praising yourself. That's all.

And as proof, I submit Exhibit A:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=88502.msg2223281#msg2223281

What something is worth and what a poorly run franchise like N.O. might pay for something are 2 different things.  I personally wouldn't take Okafor if you gave him to me and have been saying so for years.  His game is the antithesis of what you want in today's game.

This is also kind of a key point here. I repeatedly said I thought his value wasn't worth much more than a late first. I literally wrote "to be clear" before I said it. However, I personally wouldn't even give that up for him. I think he may struggle to even have a long career in the NBA. However, I full acknowledge some GM is going to roll the dice on him with a low value asset like a late first because he was the third pick in the draft and put up some nice counting stats and is still young.

[celticsclay]

celticsclay, posting multiple comments that show your own position has been all over the place on this isn't helping your case any.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=88502.msg2223281#msg2223281

It's unambiguous my friend.

It's not a personal attack. It's simply that you're not going to get away posting "alternative facts" to pass yourself off as being correct when you clearly were not. Continuing to insist you were despite the above direct quote from you just insults the intelligence of everyone else on this board.

Granath I 100% am not sure what you are trying to prove here.

I literally said this and I literally said to be clear. This was my most recent comment a few months ago after there was confusion on my actualy viewpoint  "Also to be clear o don't think I have said they can't get a first. I believe I have said his value is late first (20th or worst)"


I don't know how it could be any more clear than that. I don't get why you are intent on trying to put false words in my mouth here and why you are just derailing the thread with this. I sent you a PM about this if you want to discuss it further. I would prefer you not continue to misrepresent my views on this thread or try to make the thread about what I did or didn't say a few months ago.

[tazzmaniac]

Sounds like it is the NOP 2018 pick that is being offered so I doubt the Sixers would accept lottery protection.  NOP also is trying to move Asik's bad contract.  If I were the Sixers, I'd offer Okafor for Asik and the NOP 2017 pick (top 3 protected).   

[OldSchoolDude]

Werent people angry that Danny wouldn't give up like two firsts and one of Bradley or Smart to get Okafor this summer?  I know it was some crazy deal Danny didn't like but fans did and now it is looking like Danny was right. 

[hwangjini_1]

Werent people angry that Danny wouldn't give up like two firsts and one of Bradley or Smart to get Okafor this summer?  I know it was some crazy deal Danny didn't like but fans did and now it is looking like Danny was right.

What? Are you implying that Danny knows MORE than cb posters?? 

[nickagneta]

I think its terrible that NO is going to add a lane clogging, no defense, ball stopping center to that team. Leaving AD at center and adding a stretch 4 that can defend is what they should be doing.

[tankcity!]

Looks like multiple teams are interested according to the latest report. "One nugget I can add to Jahlil Okafor story: Multiple teams interested in him. 76ers not rushing into deal unless they get what they want."

[Granath]

I'll apologize to the board and celticsclay for being a bit forceful in my posts on the prior page.

I don't think I've misrepresented his views. Frankly I think he's postulating alternative facts rather than addressing his own direct quotes which showed exactly his position less than a month ago. I don't see how quoting him from January 13th of this year is putting false words in his mouth. Frankly I find that assertion to be absurd.

However I didn't need to go to the extent of posting a Judge Judy picture or putting "don't lie" in bold, large text. I apologize for that.

The reason for my visceral reaction is that the memory of that thread lingers in my mind as one of the lowest points on Celticsblog in recent times. LarBrd was treated atrociously in the thread I linked. His posts to refute the absurd assertions made on that thread were continually selectively attacked. They were misquoted. They were putting false words in his mouth. He didn't deserve it. I've often been critical of Lar but I thought that went far over the top. So having someone else try to pretend they were attacked for their views after that debacle touched a nerve. If anyone has the right to complain about the way they were treated for their views on Okafor it was him.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I think its terrible that NO is going to add a lane clogging, no defense, ball stopping center to that team. Leaving AD at center and adding a stretch 4 that can defend is what they should be doing.

That's a great thought, but AD has not been able to stay healthy, and especially not against bruisers.

[tazzmaniac]

I think its terrible that NO is going to add a lane clogging, no defense, ball stopping center to that team. Leaving AD at center and adding a stretch 4 that can defend is what they should be doing.

I don't think AD wants to play center.  Whatever else NOP does, they better keep AD happy.  In any case, getting a stretch 4 that can defend is a lot easier said than done.   

[celticsclay]

I think its terrible that NO is going to add a lane clogging, no defense, ball stopping center to that team. Leaving AD at center and adding a stretch 4 that can defend is what they should be doing.

I don't think AD wants to play center.  Whatever else NOP does, they better keep AD happy.  In any case, getting a stretch 4 that can defend is a lot easier said than done.

I think he actually said that on record in an interview

[Ilikesports17]

I told everyone about a month ago that Okafor wouldn't get much more than a late first rounder. I was called crazy, delusional and insulted in various manners by a few posters on the board. Kind of funny if a month later that is exactly what happens. (unless people are pretending a plodding 28 year third string French center is some kind of haul)

I could obviously have missed some threads etc etc but I only saw these insults etc. come your way when you put forth the argument that Okafor might not be able to get more than a few seconds.

There was much discussion about why this was(or was not) rather ridiculous. Where perhaps intelligence was questioned. Then you amended/clarified your opinion stating that Okafor could probably draw a 20-30 range pick.

I did not see that opinion receive any backlash whatsoever.

[Smitty77]

If NO can get this pick top 10 protected 2017, top 5 in 2018, top 3 in 2019, top 1 in 2020 and unprotected after, then that should be good enough to pull the trigger for NO in my opinion.  From person to person opinions vary of course, but I don't see anybody in the 11-14 range that by a consensus is clearly going to be clearly better than Jahlil.  Jahlil averaged 17.5ppg on 50% shooting as a rookie last season -- a feat that would be extremely tough for any players in that 11-14 range to do no matter how depleted of a roster they go to.

If I'm NO, I'd *prefer* not fully lottery protecting this pick (instead only top 10) in hopes that you give up an 11-14 pick this year instead of potentially having to give up a higher pick in a lesser protected future draft.

Those were arguably the most empty stats for a player in the last 10 years.

I totally agree with you Celticsclay!!!  Empty stats!!!!

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

I told everyone about a month ago that Okafor wouldn't get much more than a late first rounder. I was called crazy, delusional and insulted in various manners by a few posters on the board. Kind of funny if a month later that is exactly what happens. (unless people are pretending a plodding 28 year third string French center is some kind of haul)

Actually, the argument was that the 76ers couldn't get a 1st for him. The goalposts only moved once the ludicrousness of that statement was made clear. In fact you indicated that many Philly fans would take 2 2nds. If the argument about lottery protection is the only thing standing in the way of this deal then that is further evidence to the stupidity of the statement that he isn't worth a first.

In short, don't break your arm patting yourself on your back. You're still wrong.

Celticsclay's point about N.O. being a HORRIBLY run franchise does NOT defeat his argument!!  He was implying, IF you can read between the lines, that a sensible, decently run team would likely NOT give up a top 20 pick for Okafor!!  N.O. is NOT a sensibly OR decently run organization!!!

Smitty77