Who Should Start Bradley or Brown?

[Clench123]

Bunch of ingrates 

That aside, Avery is a better player than Jaylen in almost EVERYTHING.  We start the better player, plain and simple.

The best way to screw up this team's chemistry and send us back down a sh!tty path is what you guys are advocating.

Anybody remember Ray Allen/Bradley/Rondo/Doc fiasco?  I could even stomach that one because Ray was injury prone and at the tale end of his career while the young Bradley was starting to come into his own but it messed up the team's chemistry which eventually led to Ray signing with the Lebron. 

Jaylen is a f'ing rookie for godsakes...a rookie with many flaws still, starting in place of someone clearly better and someone with the longest tenure here.  ****H.

[clevelandceltic]

Bradley is better at almost everything. He's going to win us more games as a starter.

Plus, why mess with team chemistry?

Seems that chemistry,  on a 7 game win streak, is pretty good. I don't want to mess with that either.

Aside from Houston, we've beaten everyone we should have.

We played the Clippers and Raptors at home while they missed their 1st or 2nd best player. If we actually beat a handful of full strength teams I'd side with brown and the new starting 5.

We didnt beat any of those teams with Bradley in the line up so someone could make the opposite case.

[bopna]

Voted for Jaylen.

Atleast give AB time to reintegrate himself to the flow of the game. He has been out a month so why rush him to be a starter.
Im sure its fine with him to come off the bench for the first few games. If it doesn't work CBS will always adjust on the fly. Look at what he did after the 3 game L streak..inserted JB and walah...7 games later and we are still undefeated.

[clevelandceltic]

Bunch of ingrates 

That aside, Avery is a better player than Jaylen in almost EVERYTHING.  We start the better player, plain and simple.

The best way to screw up this team's chemistry and send us back down a sh!tty path is what you guys are advocating.

Anybody remember Ray Allen/Bradley/Rondo/Doc fiasco?  I could even stomach that one because Ray was injury prone and at the tale end of his career while the young Bradley was starting to come into his own but it messed up the team's chemistry which eventually led to Ray signing with the Lebron. 

Jaylen is a f'ing rookie for godsakes...a rookie with many flaws still, starting in place of someone clearly better and someone with the longest tenure here.  ****H.

I dont recall anyone here saying Brown was better than AB so he should start.

[playdream]

Bunch of ingrates 

That aside, Avery is a better player than Jaylen in almost EVERYTHING.  We start the better player, plain and simple.

The best way to screw up this team's chemistry and send us back down a sh!tty path is what you guys are advocating.

Anybody remember Ray Allen/Bradley/Rondo/Doc fiasco?  I could even stomach that one because Ray was injury prone and at the tale end of his career while the young Bradley was starting to come into his own but it messed up the team's chemistry which eventually led to Ray signing with the Lebron. 

Jaylen is a f'ing rookie for godsakes...a rookie with many flaws still, starting in place of someone clearly better and someone with the longest tenure here.  ****H.

That's not true . Brown as a rookie is already stronger, longer, healthier, better slasher, has more upside and more versatile defensively

[Ilikesports17]

Bradley is better at almost everything. He's going to win us more games as a starter.

Plus, why mess with team chemistry?

Seems that chemistry,  on a 7 game win streak, is pretty good. I don't want to mess with that either.

Aside from Houston, we've beaten everyone we should have.

We played the Clippers and Raptors at home while they missed their 1st or 2nd best player. If we actually beat a handful of full strength teams I'd side with brown and the new starting 5.

We didnt beat any of those teams with Bradley in the line up so someone could make the opposite case.

Those teams are not the same teams when they are missing Demar Derozan and Chris Paul and to a much lesser extent, Eric Gordon.

[playdream]

Bradley is better at almost everything. He's going to win us more games as a starter.

Plus, why mess with team chemistry?

Seems that chemistry,  on a 7 game win streak, is pretty good. I don't want to mess with that either.

Aside from Houston, we've beaten everyone we should have.

We played the Clippers and Raptors at home while they missed their 1st or 2nd best player. If we actually beat a handful of full strength teams I'd side with brown and the new starting 5.

We didnt beat any of those teams with Bradley in the line up so someone could make the opposite case.

Those teams are not the same teams when they are missing Demar Derozan and Chris Paul and to a much lesser extent, Eric Gordon.

And that shows we are the same team without Bradely perhaps?

[clevelandceltic]

Bradley is better at almost everything. He's going to win us more games as a starter.

Plus, why mess with team chemistry?

Seems that chemistry,  on a 7 game win streak, is pretty good. I don't want to mess with that either.

Aside from Houston, we've beaten everyone we should have.

We played the Clippers and Raptors at home while they missed their 1st or 2nd best player. If we actually beat a handful of full strength teams I'd side with brown and the new starting 5.

We didnt beat any of those teams with Bradley in the line up so someone could make the opposite case.

Those teams are not the same teams when they are missing Demar Derozan and Chris Paul and to a much lesser extent, Eric Gordon.

Which means what? We didnt beat Toronto or Houston with AB in the lineup.

[Clench123]

Bunch of ingrates 

That aside, Avery is a better player than Jaylen in almost EVERYTHING.  We start the better player, plain and simple.

The best way to screw up this team's chemistry and send us back down a sh!tty path is what you guys are advocating.

Anybody remember Ray Allen/Bradley/Rondo/Doc fiasco?  I could even stomach that one because Ray was injury prone and at the tale end of his career while the young Bradley was starting to come into his own but it messed up the team's chemistry which eventually led to Ray signing with the Lebron. 

Jaylen is a f'ing rookie for godsakes...a rookie with many flaws still, starting in place of someone clearly better and someone with the longest tenure here.  ****H.

I dont recall anyone here saying Brown was better than AB so he should start.

That he should start over a healthy AB at all...

[Clench123]

Bunch of ingrates 

That aside, Avery is a better player than Jaylen in almost EVERYTHING.  We start the better player, plain and simple.

The best way to screw up this team's chemistry and send us back down a sh!tty path is what you guys are advocating.

Anybody remember Ray Allen/Bradley/Rondo/Doc fiasco?  I could even stomach that one because Ray was injury prone and at the tale end of his career while the young Bradley was starting to come into his own but it messed up the team's chemistry which eventually led to Ray signing with the Lebron. 

Jaylen is a f'ing rookie for godsakes...a rookie with many flaws still, starting in place of someone clearly better and someone with the longest tenure here.  ****H.

That's not true . Brown as a rookie is already stronger, longer, healthier, better slasher, has more upside and more versatile defensively

Stronger?  By what measure?

Longer?  True

Healthier?  He hasn't log as many minutes so I wouldn't say so

Better Slasher?  LOL...ummm...NO

Has more upside?  We'll see in couple years or so

More versatile defensively?  NO

How about we talk things that are tangible and more important to this team such as offense, defense, rebounding, 3 pt percentage, perimeter defense, FT shooting percentage, experience, playoffs experience,...you know, those things Bradley is CLEARLY better at than Jaylen?

[Ilikesports17]

Bradley is better at almost everything. He's going to win us more games as a starter.

Plus, why mess with team chemistry?

Seems that chemistry,  on a 7 game win streak, is pretty good. I don't want to mess with that either.

Aside from Houston, we've beaten everyone we should have.

We played the Clippers and Raptors at home while they missed their 1st or 2nd best player. If we actually beat a handful of full strength teams I'd side with brown and the new starting 5.

We didnt beat any of those teams with Bradley in the line up so someone could make the opposite case.

Those teams are not the same teams when they are missing Demar Derozan and Chris Paul and to a much lesser extent, Eric Gordon.

Which means what? We didnt beat Toronto or Houston with AB in the lineup.

It means that the wins are not as impressive as they seem on paper. Just as it was not as [dang]ing as they seemed on paper when we lost to OKC, Toronto and San Antonio when we didnt have Isaiah Thomas.

[The Oracle]

Bradley was amazing in the 4 games he came off the bench last year.  He scored 74 points in 103 minutes and was a +59 in those 4 games.  That is 25.9 points per 36.

Playing Bradley off the bench would do wonders for this team. 

1.  It breaks up the I.T./Bradley pairing who are very weak defensively.
2.  It allows Bradley to be more of a focal point of the offense for like 6 or 7 minutes per half.
3.  The bench desperately needs scoring.
4.  The C's have an Off. Rat. of 110.0 in 1206 minutes without Bradley this year and his offense
     in the starting unit is not missed at all.

With that said if the C's still have all of I.T./Smart/Avery/Brown after the trade deadline there is no way you can start Brown at SG because it will just eat away at the 96 guard minutes that I.T./Smart/Avery would use all of come playoff time.

The solution is to either trade Bradley and or start Smart, not Brown.

If Bradley is not on the team why would you start Smart? Stevens has already made a decision to start Brown.

I didn't suggest you couldn't start Brown if Bradley was NOT on the team.  If Bradley is traded Brown COULD start but I still don't see why it would be beneficial.  Smart should start either way in my eyes.  Brad has to make a decision, this crud with finishing the 1st half and the end of games with all of I.T./Bradley/Smart on the floor has to stop, the 3 of them together can't get stops and or rebounds especially when also on the floor with Crowder/Horford.

Brown as a starter in his 10 starts.
Off. Rat. 110.2
Def. Rat. 111.4
Net Rat. -1.2

The starting line up with Brown hasn't been great like people are insinuating.
I.T./Brown/Crowder/Horford/Amir in 34 minutes
Off. Rat. 88.6
Def. Rat. 97.1
Net Rat. -8.5

I.T./Brown/Crowder/Jerebko/Horford in 25 minutes
Off. Rat. 95.8
Def. Rat. 107.9
Net Rat. -12.1

Starting Brown when Bradley returns shouldn't be even remotely considered.  Start games and finish halves with I.T./Smart/Crowder and 2 bigs. 

The only reason Bradley should start is if they are showcasing him for trade! 

[BitterJim]

Bunch of ingrates 

That aside, Avery is a better player than Jaylen in almost EVERYTHING.  We start the better player, plain and simple.

The best way to screw up this team's chemistry and send us back down a sh!tty path is what you guys are advocating.

Anybody remember Ray Allen/Bradley/Rondo/Doc fiasco?  I could even stomach that one because Ray was injury prone and at the tale end of his career while the young Bradley was starting to come into his own but it messed up the team's chemistry which eventually led to Ray signing with the Lebron. 

Jaylen is a f'ing rookie for godsakes...a rookie with many flaws still, starting in place of someone clearly better and someone with the longest tenure here.  ****H.

Nobody is saying that Jaylen is better than Bradley.  The issue here is essentially: would the boost of adding AB to the bench lineup outweigh the dip from not having him in the starting lineup?  I think it would.  The offense in the staring lineup has been very strong even without AB, and the defense has also improved since he went down (I'm not saying that him going out is the reason that the defense improved, but the extra size is nice and the defensive chemistry is there with the current lineup)

I definitely think that this is similar to the AB/Ray situation (and said so in my comment earlier in the thread), but I don't see how it would be an issue.  I can't see AB getting super upset about losing his starting job, especially since he has been on the other side of it before.  Now, if it were Jae that was possibly being replaced, I would agree that it was a bad move, but AB doesn't seem like the jealous type

[clevelandceltic]

Bradley is better at almost everything. He's going to win us more games as a starter.

Plus, why mess with team chemistry?

Seems that chemistry,  on a 7 game win streak, is pretty good. I don't want to mess with that either.

Aside from Houston, we've beaten everyone we should have.

We played the Clippers and Raptors at home while they missed their 1st or 2nd best player. If we actually beat a handful of full strength teams I'd side with brown and the new starting 5.

We didnt beat any of those teams with Bradley in the line up so someone could make the opposite case.

Those teams are not the same teams when they are missing Demar Derozan and Chris Paul and to a much lesser extent, Eric Gordon.

Which means what? We didnt beat Toronto or Houston with AB in the lineup.

It means that the wins are not as impressive as they seem on paper. Just as it was not as [dang]ing as they seemed on paper when we lost to OKC, Toronto and San Antonio when we didnt have Isaiah Thomas.

Im not following you here. You said that the teams are different at full strength so we shouldnt apply to much credit to them. I dont think people have said otherwise. It also sounds to me as your saying we would beat those teams if AB was in the line up to which I said we havent beaten them with him in the line up which is correct.

Im not saying AB should be replaced by Brown but the idea that you presented Im having a hard time following because we didnt beat these teams with AB and them being at full strength.

[clevelandceltic]

Bradley was amazing in the 4 games he came off the bench last year.  He scored 74 points in 103 minutes and was a +59 in those 4 games.  That is 25.9 points per 36.

Playing Bradley off the bench would do wonders for this team. 

1.  It breaks up the I.T./Bradley pairing who are very weak defensively.
2.  It allows Bradley to be more of a focal point of the offense for like 6 or 7 minutes per half.
3.  The bench desperately needs scoring.
4.  The C's have an Off. Rat. of 110.0 in 1206 minutes without Bradley this year and his offense
     in the starting unit is not missed at all.

With that said if the C's still have all of I.T./Smart/Avery/Brown after the trade deadline there is no way you can start Brown at SG because it will just eat away at the 96 guard minutes that I.T./Smart/Avery would use all of come playoff time.

The solution is to either trade Bradley and or start Smart, not Brown.

If Bradley is not on the team why would you start Smart? Stevens has already made a decision to start Brown.

I didn't suggest you couldn't start Brown if Bradley was NOT on the team.  If Bradley is traded Brown COULD start but I still don't see why it would be beneficial.  Smart should start either way in my eyes.  Brad has to make a decision, this crud with finishing the 1st half and the end of games with all of I.T./Bradley/Smart on the floor has to stop, the 3 of them together can't get stops and or rebounds especially when also on the floor with Crowder/Horford.

Brown as a starter in his 10 starts.
Off. Rat. 110.2
Def. Rat. 111.4
Net Rat. -1.2

The starting line up with Brown hasn't been great like people are insinuating.
I.T./Brown/Crowder/Horford/Amir in 34 minutes
Off. Rat. 88.6
Def. Rat. 97.1
Net Rat. -8.5

I.T./Brown/Crowder/Jerebko/Horford in 25 minutes
Off. Rat. 95.8
Def. Rat. 107.9
Net Rat. -12.1

Starting Brown when Bradley returns shouldn't be even remotely considered.  Start games and finish halves with I.T./Smart/Crowder and 2 bigs. 

The only reason Bradley should start is if they are showcasing him for trade!

What Im saying is Stevens has already made that decision thus Brown starting and Smart coming off the bench.

And as to your numbers lets pull up IT's numbers in the 4th quarter and use the same argument because if we did IT would be sitting the entire 4th quarter or at least most of it. Seems to me the common defensive liability is IT paired with any players and Im sure you arent advocating we sit him.