advantage of being brought along by celtics

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

The big advantage is learning from our veterans on the team and within the organization.   Other teams try to emulate it and some do to some degree but I think we are the best at it.

The 3 best players on this team weren't drafted by it...

And you're better at developing guys than the Spurs? Ok.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

Ahhh yes, the old sports cliches are back.

Rozier and Brown aren't playing big minutes because they aren't good.

I'm not sure how you define "good," but to me, it's inaccurate to say "they aren't good." They're not high-impact players (at this point, anyway), but you seem to be implying that they're barely good enough to see any game action, if that, and I think that's an inaccurate assessment. They clearly have some talent.

Rookies with a few exceptions aren't good. Rozier hasn't shown anything that suggests he's good.

They may turn into good players some day, but right now they are poor players on a good team. That's why they aren't playing.

Go back to Philly. No one on your team save for Embiid would be receiving minutes on the Celtics right now as much as Brown.

Truth hurts doesn't it?

And we have two Centers who'd get minutes on this team. So would Covington, Ilyasova and Henderson.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

Ahhh yes, the old sports cliches are back.

Rozier and Brown aren't playing big minutes because they aren't good.

You are assuming that "good" rookies would play the same minutes in Boston than in bottom teams such as Philadelphia or LAL, and this is not true. Does anyone think that Ingram would play 30+ minutes were he playing for us?

Besides, what is being "good"? You are talking about clichés and then use the term "good" 

No, Ingram stinks. He'd be glued to the bench here, so would most non-Brogdan/Embiid Rooks.

But don't try to pretend Jaylen Brown is some sort of amazing prospect when his BPM is -5 and he is sporting a single digit PER.

[CelticPride2016]

This guy and JPotter on the game thread are so negative, it really gets stale.

Google "ESPN NBA Standings" and maybe don't drink so much coffee.

[Darío SpanishFan]

Ahhh yes, the old sports cliches are back.

Rozier and Brown aren't playing big minutes because they aren't good.

You are assuming that "good" rookies would play the same minutes in Boston than in bottom teams such as Philadelphia or LAL, and this is not true. Does anyone think that Ingram would play 30+ minutes were he playing for us?

Besides, what is being "good"? You are talking about clichés and then use the term "good" 

No, Ingram stinks. He'd be glued to the bench here, so would most non-Brogdan/Embiid Rooks.

But don't try to pretend Jaylen Brown is some sort of amazing prospect when his BPM is -5 and he is sporting a single digit PER.

From "not good" to "not amazing" we have a long way to go. Keep this way.

TP for the positivity-realism, CelticPride.

[Somebody]

That was another solid Rollie post. He is watching games and studying players from the perspective of an ex-player who played under Rollie Massimino. We are extremely lucky he is on this board.

Of course there are Celtics' values, RAAAAAAAANDY. McHale mentioned it when he did the game. It's always about the next guy. It's always about making teammates better. This isn't golf or tennis where it's on one person to win or lose.

It takes five guys at all times, not two or three stars plus filler.

Brad said in an interview that we are going nowhere without Jaylen Brown. We can say that about a lot of the team, but he meant if we want to be special. Stevens is gutting it out with Brown like Francona did with Pedroia. You can't teach talent.

Rozier is so bad that he won us a game? What games is this person watching? I am seeing much improvement in Jaylen's game including on defense. His solid improvement has taken away minutes from Gerald Green. Crowder has become amazing making it more difficult to play Brown. The Bradley injury has been a blessing in disguise, as it opened up minutes at shooting guard.

Brown looks like a shooting guard to me, maybe small forward if he gets stronger.

Crowder is more of a small forward to power forward despite being shorter. If the opposition goes small, we could do a lot worse that having Brown and Crowder play together.

James Young is the only scrub on this team. Mickey is also wading into dangerous waters where Danny might just give up on him. I think Young made it because of Celtics values. RJ was older and had one less year of service time with the C's. The Celtics plucked out James Young at age 18 or 19. He was literally a kid teenager. They did all they could for him from a moral standpoint.

Mickey looks undersized, a tweener. He seems to have better skills than Young and might eventually make the NBA, but it doesn't seem like it will happen. Young doesn't seem to think fast enough. Even with J. Brown having his rookie moments, Jaylen has the speed to make up for not having defense down pat like others. I don't know about Jackson. And Danny is really adding on talent with the stash maneuver. Amir, Zeller, and Jerebko have contracts running out. The team will definitely change, so I try to appreciate each year in itself.

The off-seasons are ending up as interesting as the actual playing seasons.

Rozier's problem is a basic number crunch. We have Isaiah, Avery and Smart clearly above him. When you have three solid guards with one in Smart who can play pg, there's just not much room for Rozier. But I am impressed with him. Young needed to make advances like Terry did.

If Smart had bombed at point guard, Rozier would have gotten a much better chance at a rotation job.

He is in the Zeller tier of next man up. If everyone is healthy, there is no need for those players. It's why Gerald is currently collecting splinters in his butt.

Forget about explaining it to him, he's a philly fan, how could he understand when he's brainwashed by tanking?

[CelticPride2016]

I didn't know he was a 76er's fan. As long as he admitted that, then I take it back. Although then it begs the question: Why is a Philadelphia fan hanging out on the biggest Celtics forum? It's enough of a hassle reading self-defined Celtics fans who disrespect our team.

[Celtics4ever]

The 3 best players on this team weren't drafted by it...

And you're better at developing guys than the Spurs? Ok.

I would say we are much better as a Franchise at developing guys than the Spurs given our history.   SA has only found success during the Popovich years, sure your great now but prior to that you have David Robinson and George Gervin.   Were I to go back and list every great player that the C's have developed it would take a great deal of your time.  So looking back we are definitely better at developing players than the Spurs over the history of our franchise.

Lately, the spurs have been greatly but that started with Pops and most likely ends with him.   We have decades of it.    The NBA has existed long before Pop came along.   

I like how the Spurs developed err stole Aldridge.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

The 3 best players on this team weren't drafted by it...

And you're better at developing guys than the Spurs? Ok.

I would say we are much better as a Franchise at developing guys than the Spurs given our history.   SA has only found success during the Popovich years, sure your great now but prior to that you have David Robinson and George Gervin.   Were I to go back and list every great player that the C's have developed it would take a great deal of your time.  So looking back we are definitely better at developing players than the Spurs over the history of our franchise.

Lately, the spurs have been greatly but that started with Pops and most likely ends with him.   We have decades of it.    The NBA has existed long before Pop came along.   

I like how the Spurs developed err stole Aldridge.

You're seriously using dead players to argue that you're currently good at developing guys?

What happened in the 60s has nothing to do with Jaylen Brown getting a jumper.

[Emmette Bryant]

So does anybody think that James Young has turned a corner and is turning into a somewhat productive player? He didn't suck during crunch time today.

He sat on the bench for a couple of years and he's still only 21.

[Eddie20]

So does anybody think that James Young has turned a corner and is turning into a somewhat productive player? He didn't suck during crunch time today.

He sat on the bench for a couple of years and he's still only 21.

He plays within himself and Green doesn't. If this type of play continues, I think it's safe to say that he's ahead of Green going forward.

[CelticPride2016]

So does anybody think that James Young has turned a corner and is turning into a somewhat productive player? He didn't suck during crunch time today.

He sat on the bench for a couple of years and he's still only 21.

I was 100% wrong on James Young. He has strung together a chunk of good games at this point.

It's like a switch got turned on. He looks solid on both ends. He is finally shooting with confidence that can't be taught.

He might be good insurance with Green for Jaylen if he hits another wall.

Brown looks very good for the most part also over extended time.

I have no clue what Danny will do for trades, but in the nick of time, Young went from a negative asset scrub to a modest asset.

I don't think he's proven rotation material just yet, but he has now played the part in several games.

I couldn't have been more wrong and feel ashamed that I betrayed him. It's like there is a switch and all of a sudden it is turned on with every player. Perhaps Rozier could use a battery recharge.

I like how Brad babies Amir with minutes. That could pay off big time in the playoffs. He's been here a couple years. It's not like he doesn't fit in. Young playing well is just the tip of the iceberg of how well this season has taken off.

Marcus Smart might have taken a leap right now in real time. Houston lost. The schedule looks easy. We could end up with the third best record behind Golden State and San Antonio.

Please forgive me, James Young.

[CelticPride2016]

He plays within himself and Green doesn't. If this type of play continues, I think it's safe to say that he's ahead of Green going forward.

James Young in a few games has surpassed Gerald. That makes sense.

Gerald fills the ball hog, elder statesman role.

Smart, Olynyk and Jaylen have taken major leaps. Our current status is a puncher's chance of winning it all this year in a bridge year going into it. Like in 2008.

[guava_wrench]

Ahhh yes, the old sports cliches are back.

Rozier and Brown aren't playing big minutes because they aren't good.

but they will be--and they will have celtic values

Celtics values lol? Riiiight

I had the same reaction.

I wish they had Spurs values. They seem to have mastered picking guys they can develop in their system.

[guava_wrench]

So does anybody think that James Young has turned a corner and is turning into a somewhat productive player? He didn't suck during crunch time today.

He sat on the bench for a couple of years and he's still only 21.

I was 100% wrong on James Young. He has strung together a chunk of good games at this point.

It's like a switch got turned on. He looks solid on both ends. He is finally shooting with confidence that can't be taught.

He might be good insurance with Green for Jaylen if he hits another wall.

Brown looks very good for the most part also over extended time.

I have no clue what Danny will do for trades, but in the nick of time, Young went from a negative asset scrub to a modest asset.

I don't think he's proven rotation material just yet, but he has now played the part in several games.

I couldn't have been more wrong and feel ashamed that I betrayed him. It's like there is a switch and all of a sudden it is turned on with every player. Perhaps Rozier could use a battery recharge.

I like how Brad babies Amir with minutes. That could pay off big time in the playoffs. He's been here a couple years. It's not like he doesn't fit in. Young playing well is just the tip of the iceberg of how well this season has taken off.

Marcus Smart might have taken a leap right now in real time. Houston lost. The schedule looks easy. We could end up with the third best record behind Golden State and San Antonio.

Please forgive me, James Young.

Confidence is taught. As is a lack of confidence. It is taught by your experiences.