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Re: Stay The Course Ainge. Despite "Media Pressure", No Haste Moves Please!
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2017, 04:28:26 PM »

Offline CelticPride2016

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Yes, a lot of contracts will be up for renewal. If we're going with the little guy, and it's best to pair taller players with him, Avery is the shortest. I know he has long arms and plays taller than his height, but money is a factor. Smart is a bulldog who can fill in a lot of Avery's role. I don't want Butler. And I don't want Avery traded. But it could happen.

Rozier is already an afterthought when the team is healthy and will become more so if we draft a phenom pg. I don't speculate much, but Avery seems to be the one to move. He seems the most tradable from Boston's view. I would not be afraid to trade him for the missing big. Marcus is great and with Jaylen starting at sg, we are still piling up wins.

We can't really trade Jae. You will never find better NBA value than Jae Crowder for the next four years.

Re: Stay The Course Ainge. Despite "Media Pressure", No Haste Moves Please!
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2017, 04:46:02 PM »

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I find speculating pointless, especially when it's the same two players dissected every time. But the only deal for Butler that makes sense is Bradley, Zeller and the Brooklyn pick. Zeller is only in there to match salaries. If we are going all-in with Isaiah, it might be a good idea to pair him with tall shooting guards. Butler is worth more than both Bradley and the Brooklyn pick, but not the two put together. The draft as crapshoot makes it tough to put these kind of deals together. Might as well say if it happens, it happens, otherwise this is stupid. Cousins would have to cost a lot more. I'd say both Nets picks, one of our non-scrub players and then the Amirs and Zellers so ESPN approves it.
I dont get how that deal makes sense - are we starting Green at SG?

We need what Bradley brings,  plus he's a great locker room but and the longest tenured Celtic.  He had worked his butt of since the day he got drafted here,  he deserves to stay and im not sure Butler at the SG is what is like.

Trade crowder instead,  it makes way more sense of its Butler were trading for, and he already told the fans that need have no hesitation walking to another team.   So let him go.

The argument is that the Bulls will want a young-ish NBA starter quality guy with low cost in their control to replace Butler, who while paid $18M per is probably "underpaid" given the new contracts being rolled out and his locked up at that price for 2 more years.

So if you buy that argument as the basis for the trade, there 4 people on our roster that meet that criteria: IT, AB, Crowder, Smart.  At least one of them has to go back to Chicago just to get the discussion started.  Which one of those guys do you give up?  IT is obviously out at this point.  Smart would be a logical choice because of his age and perceived offensive limits, but I doubt Danny trades him in any deal unless it is for Cousins.  Crowder is almost locked up for too long at too cheap a price to trade to anyone. 

So it leaves you with AB:  he has one year left on his bargain deal and will likely get Butler-level money on the market.  If you want to resign IT in 2018 you cannot resign AB without going deep into the luxury tax and while I believe Wyc would do that he didn't become a billionaire by shelling out money.  AB and Butler play they same position, AB is probably a better defender but not by a huge margin, and Butler is better on offense.  It is a logical move from our end though I don't think Danny or Brad want to trade AB at all.

Having said that - I am not sure the Bulls want AB as he will be up for free agency in just one year and can walk.  There will be a competitive market for him.  Plus - even if the Bulls wanted AB as the core starting player the Cs send back, they are going to ask for at least Jaylen Brown AND a Nets pick on top of that.

That's when Danny hangs up the phone.



Re: Stay The Course Ainge. Despite "Media Pressure", No Haste Moves Please!
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2017, 04:49:02 PM »

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Win with out going all-in for win-now. We have holes to fill without getting a star. Small deals matter.

And if the team can get better, it should. Duh. No need to be shy about trading non lotto picks, like clips and the grizz, or throwing around 2nd rounders. 2nds are fine to trade for rentals too. Screw it. The young guys will be so much better for experiencing playoff games. We might not win it all, but once the changing of the guard happens we'll have some players who are ready.

Re: Stay The Course Ainge. Despite "Media Pressure", No Haste Moves Please!
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2017, 07:41:36 PM »

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You know what course your on? Its a song from the Talking Heads. Your on a road to nowhere...
Patience can kiss my @ss.

The 17 pick is pure gold. The 17 pick right now can make you a legit contender. Make a move with it. George Cousins Griffin Love or JButler.
Your not going to find any College player better than the above in a hundred years!




Re: Stay The Course Ainge. Despite "Media Pressure", No Haste Moves Please!
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2017, 08:00:45 PM »

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You know what course your on? Its a song from the Talking Heads. Your on a road to nowhere...
Patience can kiss my @ss.

The 17 pick is pure gold. The 17 pick right now can make you a legit contender. Make a move with it. George Cousins Griffin Love or JButler.
Your not going to find any College player better than the above in a hundred years!
Wow calm down a second, George Cousins Love wont get traded
JB just ins't worth it
and if you want Griffin just sign him for free and keep the picks


Re: Stay The Course Ainge. Despite "Media Pressure", No Haste Moves Please!
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2017, 08:08:19 PM »

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You know what course your on? Its a song from the Talking Heads. Your on a road to nowhere...
Patience can kiss my @ss.

The 17 pick is pure gold. The 17 pick right now can make you a legit contender. Make a move with it. George Cousins Griffin Love or JButler.
Your not going to find any College player better than the above in a hundred years!
Wow calm down a second, George Cousins Love wont get traded
JB just ins't worth it
and if you want Griffin just sign him for free and keep the picks

TP. My logic as well.

+ I don't think Griffin will be available since he likely will stay with LA.

Problem with Butler is it will cost 2017 BKN pick + A LOT MORE.
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Re: Stay The Course Ainge. Despite "Media Pressure", No Haste Moves Please!
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2017, 09:02:00 PM »

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I find speculating pointless, especially when it's the same two players dissected every time. But the only deal for Butler that makes sense is Bradley, Zeller and the Brooklyn pick. Zeller is only in there to match salaries. If we are going all-in with Isaiah, it might be a good idea to pair him with tall shooting guards. Butler is worth more than both Bradley and the Brooklyn pick, but not the two put together. The draft as crapshoot makes it tough to put these kind of deals together. Might as well say if it happens, it happens, otherwise this is stupid. Cousins would have to cost a lot more. I'd say both Nets picks, one of our non-scrub players and then the Amirs and Zellers so ESPN approves it.

I dont get how that deal makes sense - are we starting Green at SG?

We need what Bradley brings,  plus he's a great locker room but and the longest tenured Celtic.  He had worked his butt of since the day he got drafted here,  he deserves to stay and im not sure Butler at the SG is what is like.

Trade crowder instead,  it makes way more sense of its Butler were trading for, and he already told the fans that need have no hesitation walking to another team.   So let him go.

Butler would play SG.

The reason AB is preferable in a trade is because his contract will be coming up for renewal soon and he's gonna need a big pay raise into that 20m+ salary area whereas Crowder is locked up for longer at relatively cheap dollars.

OK. Butler's better than Bradley, but is Bradley and the Nets 17 better than Butler?
Signing a FA would seem to be a better option. Plus trading for a defensive big right now for considerably less.

But it's more complicated than that, when you consider Bradley will be up for contract soon, and they'll have to trade him if they sign another FA.

I think I'll just leave this to Ainge to sort out. Though I wouldn't deal that Nets 17 pick for anybody except a Cousins.