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ESPN Insiders Rank top 25 players under age 25
« on: February 02, 2017, 12:46:24 PM »

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Below is the list of top NBA prospects who are under 25 years of age. No Celtic listed. Not Marcus Smart. Not Jalen Brown.  Which surprises me because guys like Thon Maker, Aaron Gordon and Julius Randle are on the list. Actually, 3 Lakers are on the list (Randle, Ingram and Russell).

While Smart's numbers are not impressive, his defensive strengths should have at least gotten him into the bottom of the list. Not sure how I feel about Brown's exclusion, particularly if Randle and Maker make the cut. Seems very LA centric list IMO.

1. Anthony Davis
New Orleans Pelicans
Forward/center
Age: 23

Davis is still just 23 with an incredibly high ceiling. Injuries and a struggling supporting cast have dampened the excitement around him, but he has still been superb: an efficient volume scorer and a dominant defensive rebounder with a burgeoning inside-out skill set.

After years of underachieving defensive impact, he is finally growing into his potential as an elite and versatile defender. -- Elhassan


2. Giannis Antetokounmpo
Milwaukee Bucks
Forward
Age: 22

During his fourth NBA season, Antetokounmpo has made the leap to All-Star starter, and his 11.7 wins above replacement player (WARP) by my metric rank fourth in the league and tops among players under 25. That's remarkable given that Antetokounmpo is the age of a typical college senior.

Kansas guard Frank Mason, a leading NCAA player of the year contender, is eight months older. -- Pelton


3. Karl-Anthony Towns
Minnesota Timberwolves
Forward/center
Age: 21

Towns has emerged as the league's top candidate for "center of the future." He and Davis are the only solid bets to finish the season averaging more than 20 points and 12 rebounds per game. Towns is also already a decent 3-point shooter and ranks in the top 15 in blocks per game.

It is fair to consider him a future MVP candidate. Towns should reach his enormous potential under the smart coaching of Tom Thibodeaux, and will start to look even better as his teammates learn how to play with and off him. -- Thorpe


4. Joel Embiid
Philadelphia 76ers
Center
Age: 22

Embiid is the biggest challenger to Towns for "best center" in future seasons. He is every bit the scorer Towns is and has similar versatility and ball skills. He is also a better shooter (36.7 percent from 3 this year vs. 33.7 percent for Towns) and shot blocker (more than doubles Towns' block rate).

In time he'll have no excuse to not be an elite rebounder as well, thanks to his size and agility. As with Towns, his efficiency will spike as more experienced (and talented) players surround him. -- Thorpe


5. Kristaps Porzingis
New York Knicks
Forward/center
Age: 21

The reason I coined the term "unicorn" for Porzingis before the 2014 draft was because of his immense potential as a defensive stretch big, one of the hardest roles to fill in the league.

So far, he has delivered on the shooting end, displaying a deft touch from beyond the arc, and has developed into a dominant finisher around the basket.

His rebounding leaves something to be desired, and that's a key to being an effective defensive big, even as he has developed into an elite rim protector. -- Elhassan


6. Nikola Jokic
Denver Nuggets
Center
Age: 21

Jokic already has a case as the league's most skilled big man. He possesses incredible court vision, occasional 3-point range and a knack for finishing in the paint -- which makes it hard to believe he didn't become a full-time center until mid-December.

Since then, Jokic has averaged 20.8 points, 9.9 rebounds and 5.2 assists per game, numbers only Russell Westbrook (this season) has exceeded in the past decade according to Basketball-Reference.com. -- Pelton


7. Rudy Gobert
Utah Jazz
Center
Age: 24

The current gold standard in defensive bigs in the league, Gobert's place on the list speaks to his dominance on that end of the floor. Regardless of the metric, he rates near the top in the league in terms of defensive contribution.

In addition to the traditional paint patrolling we expect from our dominant defensive bigs, Gobert has shown aptitude moving his feet and using his length out on the perimeter on switches.

Offensively, he knows where his bread is buttered as a hyper-efficient finisher around the basket, and that's all you really need to demand from a player of his caliber defensively -- to catch and finish. -- Elhassan


8. Kyrie Irving
Cleveland Cavaliers
Guard
Age: 24

The only player in the top 25 with a championship ring, Irving was no bystander in last year's NBA Finals, showing his fearlessness by making the winning 3-pointer in the deciding Game 7.

Irving isn't higher on the list because he's proven unable to summon that same level of defensive effort during the regular season. As a result, he ranks ninth among point guards in ESPN's real plus-minus (RPM). -- Pelton


9. Andre Drummond
Detroit Pistons
Center
Age: 23

Drummond's momentum has slowed. There was great hope for a jump in his production -- and acumen -- playing under Stan Van Gundy. Unfortunately, that jump has not occurred, particularly on the defensive end, where teams are shooting an above average 61 percent at the rim in his presence.

He is the most dominant rebounder in the league and an elite finisher, and although he's in his fifth season, he's already a good player at age 23 who should be far from his prime years. -- Elhassan


10. Ben Simmons
Philadelphia 76ers
Forward
Age: 20

Simmons has the speed and quickness of Jason Kidd in his prime, but in a much taller frame. His overall playmaking skills project to be elite, too, which means that he can be a team's primary creator.

Thanks to his size and athleticism, coaches should expect him to be an all-league defensive player. If ever he learns to shoot, Simmons has MVP potential. If not, he is still a core player on a potentially great team. -- Thorpe


11. Andrew Wiggins
Minnesota Timberwolves
Forward
Age: 21

Anyone worried about Wiggins' ceiling should just consider that at Wiggins' current age James Harden averaged 12 points and two assists per game.

Wiggins is among the rarest of elite athletes in the world and is now a good shooter who can use the dribble to create space for himself. He should start becoming an excellent defensive player soon with the potential to lead the league in scoring one day. -- Thorpe


12. Jabari Parker
Milwaukee Bucks
Forward
Age: 21

Now two years removed from a torn ACL as a rookie, Parker has made good on his promise as a volume scorer, averaging 20.2 points per game this season on above-average efficiency.

If the rest of Parker's game can catch up -- particularly his subpar defensive rebounding and individual defense -- he'll join his teammate Antetokounmpo as an All-Star. -- Pelton


13. Myles Turner
Indiana Pacers
Center
Age: 20

Having moved from power forward to center in his second season, Turner leads all qualifying NBA players in block rate (6.5 percent of opponents' 2-point attempts) and is also making better than 40 percent of his 3-point attempts.

Turner's block rate overstates his defensive impact, but at 20 he's got time to hone the nuances of pick-and-roll defense. -- Pelton


14. Bradley Beal
Washington Wizards
Guard
Age: 23

Although not yet recognized with All-Star honors, Beal is enjoying a true breakout season as one of the best off guards in the league, posting career highs in scoring, true shooting and assist rate. That last part is key, because he has real ability as a playmaker, especially from secondary pick-and-rolls and when being aggressively defended coming off screens.

At 23, he's beginning to make good on his potential, but health is still a concern, even as he enjoys his healthiest season so far. -- Elhassan


15. D'Angelo Russell
Los Angeles Lakers
Guard
Age: 20

The league is trending to more athleticism, but Russell proves that feel, craft and skill will always have a place on the court. His versatility as a scorer and playmaker are greatly helped by his "never in a rush" mentality, making him ready more often to make the right play. Having great size for his position helps, too.

As with many players on this list, more experienced teammates will help his game grow immensely if his work ethic matches his talent. -- Thorpe


16. Steven Adams
Oklahoma City Thunder
Center
Age: 23

Adams' contributions may not be eye-popping when observed during the ebbs and flow of game play but are absolutely pivotal in terms of impact.

A throwback big, Adams defends very well in space and in the post; offensively, he's a constant presence on the boards and has developed a rudimentary post game to keep defenses honest.

Perhaps his best trait is the most unheralded of all basketball actions: Adams might be one of the best screeners in the NBA. Nothing he does is flashy, but it's all the necessary things that need to be done. -- Elhassan


17. Devin Booker
Phoenix Suns
Guard
Age: 20

Booker is enjoying a full season of an expanded role as one of his team's primary options offensively, and he's done a decent job of efficiently pumping in the shots.

What's tantalizing about Booker is his age. Putting aside the quality of his team, you have to marvel at a 20-year-old averaging better than 20 points per game in the NBA. His defense leaves a lot to be desired, and a player his size should be a better rebounder, but when you buy Booker, you're buying the immense potential he has. -- Elhassan


18. Aaron Gordon
Orlando Magic
Forward
Age: 21

As a starting power forward, Gordon averaged 11.1 points and 8.2 rebounds last season. The Magic responded by adding veteran Serge Ibaka and moving Gordon to the wing, where his rebounding has plummeted and his offense has been inconsistent.

Since Ibaka can be an unrestricted free agent this summer, Gordon may get a chance to move back to his natural position and pick up where he left off. -- Pelton


19. Zach LaVine
Minnesota Timberwolves
Guard
Age: 21

There was a question as to whether LaVine could master his skill set well enough to be an NBA player who sticks in the league. Now the question is: Can he be a star or just very good?

He is on track to at least be the next Jamal Crawford -- a devastating one-on-one player who can be counted on to generate shots when a team needs an offensive boost. -- Thorpe


20. Victor Oladipo
Oklahoma City Thunder
Guard
Age: 24

Dealt by Orlando to Oklahoma City as the centerpiece of the Ibaka trade, Oladipo has developed from a slasher into more of a 3-and-D wing alongside Westbrook.

He's making a career-high 37 percent of his 3-point attempts and is still averaging 17.2 points per 36 minutes despite spending less time with the ball in his hands. -- Pelton


21. Brandon Ingram
Los Angeles Lakers
Forward
Age: 19

Some players are 19 years old with the body of a fully grown man. Ingram is 19 but still carries a high school kid's physique. It's a mistake to think he will always be what he is now; as his body fills out, it won't be as great a hindrance to the impact of his length and skills.

Ingram can be expected to make perhaps the biggest jump in production going forward as he and his young teammates earn experience. -- Thorpe


22. Rodney Hood
Utah Jazz
Guard
Age: 24

Hood's value is somewhat depressed by his playing on a team with several competent wing players.

At 6-foot-8, he holds a considerable size advantage, and excels at using his length and stride to create space offensively and close space defensively.

This is his last year of eligibility on the Under 25 list, and he might just end up just a high-level role player. Good teams need players like Hood and being closer to what your potential is should not be a demerit. -- Elhassan


23. Otto Porter
Washington Wizards
Forward
Age: 23

Porter's NBA career started slowly, but he's broken through just in time to be a coveted restricted free agent this summer.

He ranks 18th in the league in RPM, and while that's partially thanks to blazing 3-point shooting that is likely to prove unsustainable (Porter is making a league-high 46 percent of his 3s), he has shown enough complementary skills to remain an above-average starting wing when his hot streak cools. -- Pelton


24. Thon Maker
Milwaukee Bucks
Forward
Age: 19

There are two types of big men the NBA covets as role players -- the monstrous man who can eat up space inside, and the shot-blocking 3-point specialist. Maker is the latter. He's a fluid athlete with the potential to be an excellent perimeter shooter while possessing a huge wingspan to help swat shots on a 7-foot frame.

Lacking a typical basketball upbringing, Maker will need to grasp the NBA game quickly. What he learns now will determine how much he can grow as a player. -- Thorpe


25. Julius Randle
Los Angeles Lakers
Forward
Age: 22

Randle is a good example of how a player can find success before he really masters skills by just competing very hard. His physique and skill set let him impact games with playmaking, scoring and rebounding. Few players have that potential.

He looks to be a little less skilled than famed Laker Lamar Odom, though he has a hotter motor and a similar game overall. The Lakers would be thrilled if Randle grew to that level, which is a distinct possibility. -- Thorpe


Re: ESPN Insiders Rank top 25 players under age 25
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2017, 12:51:14 PM »

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Simmons made the list without playing any minutes in the NBA...and that high too...

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Brown will be much better than most of them

Re: ESPN Insiders Rank top 25 players under age 25
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Insert some joke about Thon Maker's real age here.

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Thon that high is crazy to me. He projects as an energy big. I'm not even saying Jaylen or Marcus should be there in his place, but someone should.
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Brown looked better then Ingram since inserted into starting lineup and played in crunch time.

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Good.   I hope it bothers those young Celtics. 



As for the actual rankings, doesn't matter. 

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That list is ridiculous.  Would anybody here trade Jaylen Brown for:

* Oladipo
* Aaron Gordon
* Julius Randle
* Thon Maker
* Steven Adams

I think they just assume because Jaylen isn't getting minutes on a playoff team, that he is not a top talent in terms of potential.

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Some obvious picks and some bonehead picks. Russell? Maker? Simmons? These three haven't proven anything yet.

I don't put a lot of stock into this list, beyond the first three.
The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing.

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Very questionable list.  How is Gobert and Jokic ahead of Kyrie Irving?

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That list is ridiculous.  Would anybody here trade Jaylen Brown for:

* Oladipo
* Aaron Gordon
* Julius Randle
* Thon Maker
* Steven Adams

I think they just assume because Jaylen isn't getting minutes on a playoff team, that he is not a top talent in terms of potential.
Taking contract situations out of it, I'd trade Brown for Adams, Randle, Gordon, and Oladipo but not for Maker (probably not Lavine either, he seems like a pure chucker who I don't expect to improve from where he is at).
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Some obvious picks and some bonehead picks. Russell? Maker? Simmons? These three haven't proven anything yet.

I don't put a lot of stock into this list, beyond the first three.
To be fair I don't think you need to prove anything to be a prospect

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Very questionable list.  How is Gobert and Jokic ahead of Kyrie Irving?

Irving is so underappreciated. He was the 2nd best player in the NBA Finals. Playoffs is when players go into another gear and you get the best. Irving is amazing and he is a top ten player imo.

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Pretty clear ESPN HATES Boston teams... Especially after the Deflategate saga.
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That list is ridiculous.  Would anybody here trade Jaylen Brown for:

* Oladipo
* Aaron Gordon
* Julius Randle
* Thon Maker
* Steven Adams

I think they just assume because Jaylen isn't getting minutes on a playoff team, that he is not a top talent in terms of potential.
Taking contract situations out of it, I'd trade Brown for Adams, Randle, Gordon, and Oladipo but not for Maker (probably not Lavine either, he seems like a pure chucker who I don't expect to improve from where he is at).

Remember when you said Jaylen Brown has Jeff Green's personality? Sure didn't look like it last night.

As for the list, I don't care about it. Elhassan hates Boston and has been quoted in his dislike for the city. Brown shouldn't be on this list since he barley plays and hasn't really proven anything, but niether has Ingram so I don't get that part of it.