Report:Magic trying hard to trade Ibaka

[kozlodoev]

But he's a versatile offensive big (his shooting percentage are excellent from everywhere on the floor), he's still an elite rim protector, and hes only 27 years old.

Officially. Maybe. And his shot blocking ability right now is anything but elite. You're thinking Sege Ibaka from 5 years ago.

[crimson_stallion]

But he's a versatile offensive big (his shooting percentage are excellent from everywhere on the floor), he's still an elite rim protector, and hes only 27 years old.

Officially. Maybe. And his shot blocking ability right now is anything but elite. You're thinking Sege Ibaka from 5 years ago.

Sorry, I thought I saw 1.9 BPG, but it's actually 1.6 BPG this season.  I must have accidentally looked at Per 36!

Still a very good shot blocker though - he's ranked 13th in the league despite only playing 30 MPG.  Hard to complain about that.

[kozlodoev]

But he's a versatile offensive big (his shooting percentage are excellent from everywhere on the floor), he's still an elite rim protector, and hes only 27 years old.

Officially. Maybe. And his shot blocking ability right now is anything but elite. You're thinking Sege Ibaka from 5 years ago.

Sorry, I thought I saw 1.9 BPG, but it's actually 1.6 BPG this season.  I must have accidentally looked at Per 36!

Still a very good shot blocker though - he's ranked 13th in the league despite only playing 30 MPG.  Hard to complain about that.

Fair enough. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to add Ibaka to the starting lineup. What I'm concerned about is that he doesn't necessarily address our rebounding issues, doesn't pass, and is perhaps older than his listed age. But for salary filler + picks, I'm game.

[saltlover]

I don't quite get the Serge hate on this board.  Is it because he looked terrible against us? I'm guessing so.  It was easily his worst game of the season, and probably years.  He went for 12/7 their next game in a win at Toronto.  Bad games happen.

Anyway, his DRB% isn't spectacular, but it's still as good as anyone on the Celtics, and is above his career average.  He's never been an elite defensive rebounder, but he hasn't experienced a significant decline.  His blocks are down from his old astronomical levels, but he's still 13th in blocks per game and 14th in block percentage.  You're not likely to get better than that on the trade market.

He's playing a bit further from the rim on offense than he used to, shooting many more 3s.  But a) he's hitting a career high 38.4%, b) the Celtics would certainly ask him to take 3s, and c) welcome to the NBA in 2017.  He's still a good finisher at the rim (72% FG% at rim.)  He's a plus FT shooter (82%).

He's healthy (missed only 1 game this year and played 78 games last year.)

Against Cleveland, he'd give us the offensive mismatch that we get with Horford and Jerebko on the court together, without the defensive mismatch against Love and Thompson.

He's not Boogie, I get that.  He's not Milsap.  I get that too.  But he'd help our weakness (defensive boards, interior defense) without hurting our strength (spacing on offense).  He's a good fit.  I wouldn't break the bank for him, but Zeller, a non-Brooklyn 1st in 2018-2019 (or Yab), and Mickey/Young/Jackson for salary purposes (Zeller makes $100k too little to trade straight up.  It's tragic) is a reasonable price to make our good team better.  It doesn't cost much in terms of assets, and it doesn't kill long-term flexibility.

[Moranis]

I'd probably do something like this even if it was a rental.

Ibaka

for

Yabu, Bos 2018 1st, and then for salary Zeller, Young

I'm sure that isn't enough, but I wouldn't do much more than that for a rental (maybe the Minnesota 2017 2nd or really any of the 2017 2nd's), which I believe Ibaka to be.

[hodgy03038]

I'd probably do something like this even if it was a rental.

Ibaka

for

Yabu, Bos 2018 1st, and then for salary Zeller, Young

I'm sure that isn't enough, but I wouldn't do much more than that for a rental (maybe the Minnesota 2017 2nd or really any of the 2017 2nd's), which I believe Ibaka to be.

It certainly has to be enough for a 1/2 season rental. They can't possibly expect more than that. And it will improve us now.

[Evantime34]

With how bad Ibaka looked at the game I went to on Friday, I don't want any part of trading for him unless it's pretty cheap.

[CoachBo]

Is this the point where someone suggests trading IT4 for Ibaka?

LOL.

I haven't watched enough Orlando to know if Serge is really in decline or if he's being misused. The latter is certainly possible.

Right now, Ibaka is pretty much Al Horford without the passing -- he'll score some points, he'll shoot and make threes, he will block some shots and will be a mediocre rebounder. He's probably still a strict upgrade over Amir, and I'd part with Amir and multiple first rounders that are not Brooklyn picks, but that's about it.

If he contributes the multitude of intangibles to this team that Horford does - and Horford was a masterful acquisition who has been VERY good for this team - then go get him.

Having watched him at his peak in OKC, I'm chuckling at the Horford comparison. A LOT.

[CoachBo]

I don't quite get the Serge hate on this board.  Is it because he looked terrible against us? I'm guessing so.  It was easily his worst game of the season, and probably years.  He went for 12/7 their next game in a win at Toronto.  Bad games happen.

Anyway, his DRB% isn't spectacular, but it's still as good as anyone on the Celtics, and is above his career average.  He's never been an elite defensive rebounder, but he hasn't experienced a significant decline.  His blocks are down from his old astronomical levels, but he's still 13th in blocks per game and 14th in block percentage.  You're not likely to get better than that on the trade market.

He's playing a bit further from the rim on offense than he used to, shooting many more 3s.  But a) he's hitting a career high 38.4%, b) the Celtics would certainly ask him to take 3s, and c) welcome to the NBA in 2017.  He's still a good finisher at the rim (72% FG% at rim.)  He's a plus FT shooter (82%).

He's healthy (missed only 1 game this year and played 78 games last year.)

Against Cleveland, he'd give us the offensive mismatch that we get with Horford and Jerebko on the court together, without the defensive mismatch against Love and Thompson.

He's not Boogie, I get that.  He's not Milsap.  I get that too.  But he'd help our weakness (defensive boards, interior defense) without hurting our strength (spacing on offense).  He's a good fit.  I wouldn't break the bank for him, but Zeller, a non-Brooklyn 1st in 2018-2019 (or Yab), and Mickey/Young/Jackson for salary purposes (Zeller makes $100k too little to trade straight up.  It's tragic) is a reasonable price to make our good team better.  It doesn't cost much in terms of assets, and it doesn't kill long-term flexibility.

A very reasonable assessment - finally.

I'll have to watch some Orlando in the short-term to see if he's cooked, or just stuck in basketball purgatory. It should not be surprising what happens to a quality player in a terrible situation.

[slamtheking]

I don't quite get the Serge hate on this board.  Is it because he looked terrible against us? I'm guessing so.  It was easily his worst game of the season, and probably years.  He went for 12/7 their next game in a win at Toronto.  Bad games happen.

Anyway, his DRB% isn't spectacular, but it's still as good as anyone on the Celtics, and is above his career average.  He's never been an elite defensive rebounder, but he hasn't experienced a significant decline.  His blocks are down from his old astronomical levels, but he's still 13th in blocks per game and 14th in block percentage.  You're not likely to get better than that on the trade market.

He's playing a bit further from the rim on offense than he used to, shooting many more 3s.  But a) he's hitting a career high 38.4%, b) the Celtics would certainly ask him to take 3s, and c) welcome to the NBA in 2017.  He's still a good finisher at the rim (72% FG% at rim.)  He's a plus FT shooter (82%).

He's healthy (missed only 1 game this year and played 78 games last year.)

Against Cleveland, he'd give us the offensive mismatch that we get with Horford and Jerebko on the court together, without the defensive mismatch against Love and Thompson.

He's not Boogie, I get that.  He's not Milsap.  I get that too.  But he'd help our weakness (defensive boards, interior defense) without hurting our strength (spacing on offense).  He's a good fit.  I wouldn't break the bank for him, but Zeller, a non-Brooklyn 1st in 2018-2019 (or Yab), and Mickey/Young/Jackson for salary purposes (Zeller makes $100k too little to trade straight up.  It's tragic) is a reasonable price to make our good team better.  It doesn't cost much in terms of assets, and it doesn't kill long-term flexibility.

take the first rounder out of the deal and just make it Zeller with Mickey/Young/Jackson and that would be fine

[Androslav]

How about?

BOS
12,00 mil $ Amir
  1,91 mil $ Rozier

ORL
12,25 mil $ Ibaka

[Moranis]

I'd probably do something like this even if it was a rental.

Ibaka

for

Yabu, Bos 2018 1st, and then for salary Zeller, Young

I'm sure that isn't enough, but I wouldn't do much more than that for a rental (maybe the Minnesota 2017 2nd or really any of the 2017 2nd's), which I believe Ibaka to be.

It certainly has to be enough for a 1/2 season rental. They can't possibly expect more than that. And it will improve us now.

It doesn't have to be enough at all.  Orlando might very well say if that is all we can get, we are going to keep him. 

[hodgy03038]

I'd probably do something like this even if it was a rental.

Ibaka

for

Yabu, Bos 2018 1st, and then for salary Zeller, Young

I'm sure that isn't enough, but I wouldn't do much more than that for a rental (maybe the Minnesota 2017 2nd or really any of the 2017 2nd's), which I believe Ibaka to be.

It certainly has to be enough for a 1/2 season rental. They can't possibly expect more than that. And it will improve us now.

It doesn't have to be enough at all.  Orlando might very well say if that is all we can get, we are going to keep him.

Why would they do that? If he is in their long range plans they wouldn't be trying to trade him. Obviously they are going nowhere this year so he is a wasted asset. 1/2 season rental on a non-superstar doesn't get you much. Be happy with the best offer you can get which won't be much.

[saltlover]

I don't quite get the Serge hate on this board.  Is it because he looked terrible against us? I'm guessing so.  It was easily his worst game of the season, and probably years.  He went for 12/7 their next game in a win at Toronto.  Bad games happen.

Anyway, his DRB% isn't spectacular, but it's still as good as anyone on the Celtics, and is above his career average.  He's never been an elite defensive rebounder, but he hasn't experienced a significant decline.  His blocks are down from his old astronomical levels, but he's still 13th in blocks per game and 14th in block percentage.  You're not likely to get better than that on the trade market.

He's playing a bit further from the rim on offense than he used to, shooting many more 3s.  But a) he's hitting a career high 38.4%, b) the Celtics would certainly ask him to take 3s, and c) welcome to the NBA in 2017.  He's still a good finisher at the rim (72% FG% at rim.)  He's a plus FT shooter (82%).

He's healthy (missed only 1 game this year and played 78 games last year.)

Against Cleveland, he'd give us the offensive mismatch that we get with Horford and Jerebko on the court together, without the defensive mismatch against Love and Thompson.

He's not Boogie, I get that.  He's not Milsap.  I get that too.  But he'd help our weakness (defensive boards, interior defense) without hurting our strength (spacing on offense).  He's a good fit.  I wouldn't break the bank for him, but Zeller, a non-Brooklyn 1st in 2018-2019 (or Yab), and Mickey/Young/Jackson for salary purposes (Zeller makes $100k too little to trade straight up.  It's tragic) is a reasonable price to make our good team better.  It doesn't cost much in terms of assets, and it doesn't kill long-term flexibility.

take the first rounder out of the deal and just make it Zeller with Mickey/Young/Jackson and that would be fine

Let's not get greedy.  You're talking what will most likely be a pick that's in the 15-25 range three drafts away.  It's a pretty similar package to what we got for Jeff Green (the same 1st rounder, even.)

Ibaka was never worth what Orlando foolishly paid for him this summer, but that doesn't mean he's a scrub, either.

[kozlodoev]

How about?

BOS
12,00 mil $ Amir
  1,91 mil $ Rozier

ORL
12,25 mil $ Ibaka

I'd rather give them some of our own future first-rounders than Rozier. The salaries work without him.