@Crimson
I'm afraid I didn't get your point.
You said Celtics fan are unrealistic (meaning he has more value?), but in the mean time you said we would not mortgage anything in a trade for him.
As in we wouldn't be mortgaging our future.
Jae Crowder is a nice complimentary player, but he's not our future. Marcus Smart is a complimentary player, he's not our future. Our draft pick is for a draft stacked with point guards, and our current pg is the NBAs second leading scorer.
Not saying I'd trade the Brooklyn pick for Melo, just saying that Boston fans unrealistically look at these guys like they are superstar assets, they aren't.
Hell during the off-season I was suggesting trading crowder for butker and people are criticising me saying Butler is barely better then crowder. Boston fans on the whole are just unrealistic.
People still probably are against trading the Nets pick for Butler.
And people talk about I Jaylen Brown as if hes already a fringe all star. He could just as easily become Jimmy Butler or Jeff Green.
Fact is, you have a chance to add one of the best scorers of our generation, who is only just dropping out of his prime. You have a guy who could push you in to legitimate contender status for the next 2-3 years. If you can get that guy for a Boston pick in the late 1St round plus a couple of really nice role players...how do you not take tgat chance?
Hem when we traded for Ray Allen he was a 31 years old offence-only guy - but getting him brought is kg and a championship.
Let's say we got Melo, then pulled a smaller trade for Vucevic.
Now you have Thomas, Bradley, Melo, Horford and Vucevic. That roster can compete with any team in this league...and there's a chance you can pull that off without giving up Jaylen Brown OR either Brooklyn pick...you have to do it.
We just blew $28m a year over the next 4 years on a 30 years old fringe star big man. We have a 27 year old star point guard tearing up the league offensively. Its too late for talk about mortgaging our future. We've already done that. Horford has two good years before he starts declining, and Thomas (considering how aggressive he plays) probably won't be far behind. Our window is small. We need to strike now -go all in. Championship or bust. Otherwise we are wasting the highest profile free agent this team has signed, and a guy who is not far away from having the best scoring season in Celtics history. Why let those guys fade out with nothing to show for it?
I get your point.
However, we are not contender caliber if we part away with the pieces you mention.
If you make a comparison with the 08 team, Crowder, Smart, Jaylen are the value contracts like Rondo, Posey, House. Something that you absolutly need for contending. I can't believe we can find 3 vets worth them for 16mil. Not to mention we probably won't have the cap space anymore.
I believe we have a better chance to find a stud in the draft or in Jaylen than winning in 2 years with Melo.
I disagree.
Rondo was very green and only a second year player when we won in 08, so you could compare him to Jaylen.
Posey was a quality bench player, nothing more - think if him as Kelly Olynyk. Eddie house was a one hit wonder - shootibg threes is all he was really useful for. Danny Green is our Eddie House. Those three guys can easily be our rondo, Posey, House.
But you're failing to acknowledge Bradley. If we got Melo, then our 4th best player would be an 18 PPG, 6 RPG former All Defensive 1St Teamer. Bradley is way, way better then our 4Th best player was in 2008, AND he's cost controlled.
Thomas is also cost controlled. Hell aside from horford and admire our entire roster is currently cost controlled.
We also have a $100m dollar salary cap, and in 2008 the cap was roughly half that So a $5m contract back in 2008 is the equivalent of a near $10m contract today.
Look at Cleveland. They just won a title while paying guys like Iman Shumpert and Tristan Thomoson six figure salaries. The cap climate is very different right now. You a team like golden state could not have curry, Thompson, Durant and green under the old cap. A team like Clevekand wpuld habe their entire cap tied up in three guys if this was 2008.
Horford is a borderline all star. Bradley is a borderline all star. Thomas is a superstar. With what we have we are the #2 seed n the east, but we have all the ingredients of a great regular season team that gets belted in the playoffs. We have no second closer. In the playoffs if teams another Thomas or one of our key guys gets hurt, we're screwed.
Cleveland has a second closer in Irving - somebody they can give the ball to and he'll make something happen. The Spurs have that in Aldridge. The Warriors have two secondary finishers in Thompson and your choice of Durant / Curry. The Clippers have Griffin. The Raptors have Lowry.
Every champion always has a second closer.
We don't. It's what separates a good playoff team from a guys regular season team. If we added Melo we'd have that. We'd be a contender.
Right now we're very good, but we're not a contender. Nobody believes were beating GS in a 7 game series. We need one more move. Vucevic wound help and would improve us, but its not enough - he's not a closee. Melo would put us over.
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