Report: Melo would waive no-trade for C's; Stevens would like him, Ainge doesn't

[Irish Stew]

I would take him if you could get him and not affect the core of the team.  This means you don't move: Bradley, Crowder, Brown, Smart, Brooklyn picks.  And of course not Thomas or Horford.

I agree in principle. Unfortunately we can't just say "Hey NYK, take AJ, Zeller and Young for your 9x All Star, who is averaging 23/6/3". That isn't realistic, even considering Anthony's personality and contract situation. He still has value around the league, and the reports that he was willing to waive his trade clause to play in BOS are actually really great news. Good players want to play in Boston. That is neat.

Of that core, I'd probably only consider moving Bradley in a deal for Melo. Something like Amir and AB for Melo isn't unreasonable, and the Knicks will want a pick included. Depending on the pick I'm not opposed to that cost. Nothing crazy like the BKN picks, but maybe our 2018 pick lotto protected would be reasonable. Anything more and it's an easy pass. AB will get expensive next season anyway and Melo's deal is likely only one more season after this one. That isn't too much of an investment in a guy that could make us title opportunists the next 1.5 seasons.

I really like the lineup of IT/Smart/Crowder/Melo/Horford. If the cost is AB and a protected pick, I'm probably willing to roll dice on that going in to the playoffs. Anything higher than that and I'd be happier swinging at rim protection around the deadline and holding for a FA this summer.

Completely disagree. His value is really not high at all with that no-trade clause. There's a real chance we can get him for that type of package, meaning something like Amir, Zeller, Rozier, Young, and a couple of non-Brooklyn picks. In fact, we're only really competing with LAC, who at last report had legitimately only offered Rivers, Crawford, Johnson, and minimal other assets, such as 2nd round picks, for Melo. I think our poo-poo platter trade offer is still significantly higher than their poo-poo platter trade offer.

I agree that because of the limited 3 team market this type of offer might work. Rozier would probably be their only keeper for next year and would mean that they would only have about $51 million in guaranteed salaries. That gives them pretty good cap flexibility. Unfortunately for them, almost $30 million of that $51 million is for what will be two 32 year old players, Noah and Lee. They're on the books until the end of the 2019-2020 season. Good luck Phil!

The beauty of  this trade is that we could still use Bradley, Crowder, plus Nets picks should George or Butler ever become available.

[chambers]

For a laugh go and  check out the Knicks realgm board and what they think the C's should give up for Melo.

There is a thread on Melo and the interested teams.

Got them saying Jaylen Brown plus picks would be fair.
I chimed in to set them straight and was banned for trolling..even though i was attacked multiple times for posting some realstic trade proposals.
Bunch of cowards.

[LGC88]

For a laugh go and  check out the Knicks realgm board and what they think the C's should give up for Melo.

There is a thread on Melo and the interested teams.

Got them saying Jaylen Brown plus picks would be fair.
I chimed in to set them straight and was banned for trolling..even though i was attacked multiple times for posting some realstic trade proposals.
Bunch of cowards.

Lol I just read some of their posts. They are even more delusional than Celtics fans. I guess those are the same ones who boo Porzingis at first.

[crimson_stallion]

To be fair,  people on this board are probably being quite unrealistic.

It's Carmelo Anthony.   

Yes, he's at a point in his career where he's going to start declining slowly.  But he's 32 years old,  not 35.  How good was Paul Pierce still playing for us when he was 32?  He was still carrying this team until the age of 34 or 35. 

And Melo has been a better scorer then Pierce ever was - which is saying a lot because Pierce was a hell of a scorer.

Does Melo hurt our defense?  Sure he does.   But so does Thomas - does anybody here think we'd be a better team without him?   

How many close games did the Celtics win on the back of Paul Pierce's heroics?  How many games have we won on the back of Isaiah's late game heroics?

How many games could we potentially win on the back of Carmelo Anthony's late game heroics?

In the playoffs,  how much more competitive are we when we have a Carmello who can go round-for--round with guys like Durant, LeBron, Kawhi and DeRozan?

For all the defensive praise we give Crowder, how effective head be been at neutralising LeBron James in the past?  Or Kevin Durant? Good defender or now, Crowder has has had all but zero effect on stopping LeBron,  nor has be ever been good enough offensively to force LeBron to respect him. 

Because you see, when LeBron is hot and motivated,  nobody on this roster is capable to stopping him,  or even really slowing him down.  The only way to beat him is to fight him head on,  basket for basket.  Force him to expend energy on defence trying to stop somebody who's just as dominant as he is.  Match every one of his give clutch baskets with one of our own.

Carmelo,  for all his issues,  can battle with LeBron offensively as well as anybody in this league.  I still remember when Pierce listed Melo in his lady of the 4 or 5 hardest guys in the league to defend.   He can score any way,  from any where.  Hes a guy who can explode for 20 points in 8 minutes,  who can stocks handedly change the date of a game.   He's a game changer.  Team's need to respect that.  When Melo is on your team you can be down by 15 in the 4Th, and nobidy is counting you out.

Is he the two way player wed ultimately love?  No.  But you can't always get exactly what you want.   There are only so many Kawhi Leonards and Jimmy Butlers in this league.   

Fact is that getting Carmelo changes the way everybody looks at this team.   Golden state, Cleveland, San Antonio,  Toronto - they're all that little bit more worried about us when we have Melo on this roster.   He's a guy opposibg teams MUST gameplan for.  He's a guy who will draw double teams on ever second posession.  If you can convince him to share the ball a bit more and buy in to the team dynamic,  he's an absolute game changer.

And to answer another's question from earlier in the thread. . I'd take A 32 year old Melo any time over a 26 year old Gordon Hayward who  has averaged 7 points on 18% shooting in 4 career playoff games

LeBron James is not fearing Gordon Hayward on either end of the floor.   Tell LeBron that your plan on beating him is putting Gordon Hayward on your roster - he'll look at you and laugh.   Tell him you plan is putting Melo on your roster - his smirk will go away very quickly.

Even a player as great as LeBron has to respect what Carmelo can do. Everybody does.

[Irish Stew]

To be fair,  people on this board are probably being quite unrealistic.

It's Carmelo Anthony.   

Yes, he's at a point in his career where he's going to start declining slowly.  But he's 32 years old,  not 35.  How good was Paul Pierce still playing for us when he was 32?  He was still carrying this team until the age of 34 or 35. 

And Melo has been a better scorer then Pierce ever was - which is saying a lot because Pierce was a hell of a scorer.

Does Melo hurt our defense?  Sure he does.   But so does Thomas - does anybody here think we'd be a better team without him?   

How many close games did the Celtics win on the back of Paul Pierce's heroics?  How many games have we won on the back of Isaiah's late game heroics?

How many games could we potentially win on the back of Carmelo Anthony's late game heroics?

In the playoffs,  how much more competitive are we when we have a Carmello who can go round-for--round with guys like Durant, LeBron, Kawhi and DeRozan?

For all the defensive praise we give Crowder, how effective head be been at neutralising LeBron James in the past?  Or Kevin Durant? Good defender or now, Crowder has has had all but zero effect on stopping LeBron,  nor has be ever been good enough offensively to force LeBron to respect him. 

Because you see, when LeBron is hot and motivated,  nobody on this roster is capable to stopping him,  or even really slowing him down.  The only way to beat him is to fight him head on,  basket for basket.  Force him to expend energy on defence trying to stop somebody who's just as dominant as he is.  Match every one of his give clutch baskets with one of our own.

Carmelo,  for all his issues,  can battle with LeBron offensively as well as anybody in this league.  I still remember when Pierce listed Melo in his lady of the 4 or 5 hardest guys in the league to defend.   He can score any way,  from any where.  Hes a guy who can explode for 20 points in 8 minutes,  who can stocks handedly change the date of a game.   He's a game changer.  Team's need to respect that.  When Melo is on your team you can be down by 15 in the 4Th, and nobidy is counting you out.

Is he the two way player wed ultimately love?  No.  But you can't always get exactly what you want.   There are only so many Kawhi Leonards and Jimmy Butlers in this league.   

Fact is that getting Carmelo changes the way everybody looks at this team.   Golden state, Cleveland, San Antonio,  Toronto - they're all that little bit more worried about us when we have Melo on this roster.   He's a guy opposibg teams MUST gameplan for.  He's a guy who will draw double teams on ever second posession.  If you can convince him to share the ball a bit more and buy in to the team dynamic,  he's an absolute game changer.

And to answer another's question from earlier in the thread. . I'd take A 32 year old Melo any time over a 26 year old Gordon Hayward who  has averaged 7 points on 18% shooting in 4 career playoff games.

Everything you say is true but the fact is that right now it is a three team market and we're the only one that can give them cap relief.

[jayk009]

For a laugh go and  check out the Knicks realgm board and what they think the C's should give up for Melo.

There is a thread on Melo and the interested teams.

Got them saying Jaylen Brown plus picks would be fair.
I chimed in to set them straight and was banned for trolling..even though i was attacked multiple times for posting some realstic trade proposals.
Bunch of cowards.

To be fair...there are alot of delusional celtics fans that make up equally absurd trades regarding other team's players as well. It's just part of being a homer!

[LGC88]

To be fair,  people on this board are probably being quite unrealistic.

It's Carmelo Anthony.   

Yes, he's at a point in his career where he's going to start declining slowly.  But he's 32 years old,  not 35.  How good was Paul Pierce still playing for us when he was 32?  He was still carrying this team until the age of 34 or 35. 

And Melo has been a better scorer then Pierce ever was - which is saying a lot because Pierce was a hell of a scorer.

Does Melo hurt our defense?  Sure he does.   But so does Thomas - does anybody here think we'd be a better team without him?   

How many close games did the Celtics win on the back of Paul Pierce's heroics?  How many games have we won on the back of Isaiah's late game heroics?

How many games could we potentially win on the back of Carmelo Anthony's late game heroics?

In the playoffs,  how much more competitive are we when we have a Carmello who can go round-for--round with guys like Durant, LeBron, Kawhi and DeRozan?

For all the defensive praise we give Crowder, how effective head be been at neutralising LeBron James in the past?  Or Kevin Durant? Good defender or now, Crowder has has had all but zero effect on stopping LeBron,  nor has be ever been good enough offensively to force LeBron to respect him. 

Because you see, when LeBron is hot and motivated,  nobody on this roster is capable to stopping him,  or even really slowing him down.  The only way to beat him is to fight him head on,  basket for basket.  Force him to expend energy on defence trying to stop somebody who's just as dominant as he is.  Match every one of his give clutch baskets with one of our own.

Carmelo,  for all his issues,  can battle with LeBron offensively as well as anybody in this league.  I still remember when Pierce listed Melo in his lady of the 4 or 5 hardest guys in the league to defend.   He can score any way,  from any where.  Hes a guy who can explode for 20 points in 8 minutes,  who can stocks handedly change the date of a game.   He's a game changer.  Team's need to respect that.  When Melo is on your team you can be down by 15 in the 4Th, and nobidy is counting you out.

Is he the two way player wed ultimately love?  No.  But you can't always get exactly what you want.   There are only so many Kawhi Leonards and Jimmy Butlers in this league.   

Fact is that getting Carmelo changes the way everybody looks at this team.   Golden state, Cleveland, San Antonio,  Toronto - they're all that little bit more worried about us when we have Melo on this roster.   He's a guy opposibg teams MUST gameplan for.  He's a guy who will draw double teams on ever second posession.  If you can convince him to share the ball a bit more and buy in to the team dynamic,  he's an absolute game changer.

And to answer another's question from earlier in the thread. . I'd take A 32 year old Melo any time over a 26 year old Gordon Hayward who  has averaged 7 points on 18% shooting in 4 career playoff games

LeBron James is not fearing Gordon Hayward on either end of the floor.   Tell LeBron that your plan on beating him is putting Gordon Hayward on your roster - he'll look at you and laugh.   Tell him you plan is putting Melo on your roster - his smirk will go away very quickly.

Even a player as great as LeBron has to respect what Carmelo can do. Everybody does.

I agree, Carmelo even can buy into our system because he won't need to force the issue. He'll be open often and can go iso when he has good matchup.
However, we are talking about his contract and our cap flexibility (and whatever Ainge might have in plan (trade, FA) ).
Unfortunately for the Knicks, they have no leverage and his value his very low compare to the value he brings to our team.
Also it is not in our interest to mortgage our future assets for a 2 years window of a probable ECF loss.

[crimson_stallion]

To be fair,  people on this board are probably being quite unrealistic.

It's Carmelo Anthony.   

Yes, he's at a point in his career where he's going to start declining slowly.  But he's 32 years old,  not 35.  How good was Paul Pierce still playing for us when he was 32?  He was still carrying this team until the age of 34 or 35. 

And Melo has been a better scorer then Pierce ever was - which is saying a lot because Pierce was a hell of a scorer.

Does Melo hurt our defense?  Sure he does.   But so does Thomas - does anybody here think we'd be a better team without him?   

How many close games did the Celtics win on the back of Paul Pierce's heroics?  How many games have we won on the back of Isaiah's late game heroics?

How many games could we potentially win on the back of Carmelo Anthony's late game heroics?

In the playoffs,  how much more competitive are we when we have a Carmello who can go round-for--round with guys like Durant, LeBron, Kawhi and DeRozan?

For all the defensive praise we give Crowder, how effective head be been at neutralising LeBron James in the past?  Or Kevin Durant? Good defender or now, Crowder has has had all but zero effect on stopping LeBron,  nor has be ever been good enough offensively to force LeBron to respect him. 

Because you see, when LeBron is hot and motivated,  nobody on this roster is capable to stopping him,  or even really slowing him down.  The only way to beat him is to fight him head on,  basket for basket.  Force him to expend energy on defence trying to stop somebody who's just as dominant as he is.  Match every one of his give clutch baskets with one of our own.

Carmelo,  for all his issues,  can battle with LeBron offensively as well as anybody in this league.  I still remember when Pierce listed Melo in his lady of the 4 or 5 hardest guys in the league to defend.   He can score any way,  from any where.  Hes a guy who can explode for 20 points in 8 minutes,  who can stocks handedly change the date of a game.   He's a game changer.  Team's need to respect that.  When Melo is on your team you can be down by 15 in the 4Th, and nobidy is counting you out.

Is he the two way player wed ultimately love?  No.  But you can't always get exactly what you want.   There are only so many Kawhi Leonards and Jimmy Butlers in this league.   

Fact is that getting Carmelo changes the way everybody looks at this team.   Golden state, Cleveland, San Antonio,  Toronto - they're all that little bit more worried about us when we have Melo on this roster.   He's a guy opposibg teams MUST gameplan for.  He's a guy who will draw double teams on ever second posession.  If you can convince him to share the ball a bit more and buy in to the team dynamic,  he's an absolute game changer.

And to answer another's question from earlier in the thread. . I'd take A 32 year old Melo any time over a 26 year old Gordon Hayward who  has averaged 7 points on 18% shooting in 4 career playoff games

LeBron James is not fearing Gordon Hayward on either end of the floor.   Tell LeBron that your plan on beating him is putting Gordon Hayward on your roster - he'll look at you and laugh.   Tell him you plan is putting Melo on your roster - his smirk will go away very quickly.

Even a player as great as LeBron has to respect what Carmelo can do. Everybody does.

I agree, Carmelo even can buy into our system because he won't need to force the issue. He'll be open often and can go iso when he has good matchup.
However, we are talking about his contract and our cap flexibility (and whatever Ainge might have in plan (trade, FA) ).
Unfortunately for the Knicks, they have no leverage and his value his very low compare to the value he brings to our team.
Also it is not in our interest to mortgage our future assets for a 2 years window of a probable ECF loss.

It wouldn't be mortgaging anything really.

None of the assets wed give up are nearly as valuable as most of the homer Celtic fans think they are,  and Melos contract is actually a very good one.

His deal stays on the books while we have the raised cap of the new TV deal.  When the cap eventually falls again Melos deal will be expired, Horfords will have one year left, and we'll be in good shape.

If we do something like going after Hayward on a max deal,  our cap situation will be utterly screwed the instant the salary cap inevitably drops again.

[LGC88]

@Crimson

I'm afraid I didn't get your point.
You said Celtics fan are unrealistic (meaning he has more value?), but in the mean time you said we would not mortgage anything in a trade for him.

[crimson_stallion]

@Crimson

I'm afraid I didn't get your point.
You said Celtics fan are unrealistic (meaning he has more value?), but in the mean time you said we would not mortgage anything in a trade for him.

As in we wouldn't be mortgaging our future.

Jae Crowder is a nice complimentary player,  but he's not our future.   Marcus Smart is a complimentary player,  he's not our future. Our draft pick is for a draft stacked with point guards,  and our current pg is the NBAs second leading scorer.

Not saying I'd trade the Brooklyn pick for Melo, just saying that Boston fans unrealistically look at these guys like they are superstar assets, they aren't. 

Hell during the off-season I was suggesting trading crowder for butker and people are criticising me saying Butler is barely better then crowder.  Boston fans on the whole are just unrealistic.

People still probably are against trading the Nets pick for Butler.

And people talk about I Jaylen Brown as if hes already a fringe all star.  He could just as easily become Jimmy Butler or Jeff Green.

Fact is,  you have a chance to add one of the best scorers of our generation,  who is only just dropping out of his prime.  You have a guy who could push you in to legitimate contender status for the next 2-3 years.   If you can get that guy for a Boston pick in the late 1St round plus a couple of really nice role players...how do you not take tgat chance?

Hem when we traded for Ray Allen he was a 31 years old offence-only guy - but getting him brought is kg and a championship.

Let's say we got Melo,  then pulled a smaller trade for Vucevic.

Now you have Thomas, Bradley, Melo, Horford and Vucevic.  That roster can compete with any team in this league...and there's a chance you can pull that off without giving up Jaylen Brown OR either Brooklyn pick...you have to do it.

We just blew $28m a year over the next 4 years on a 30 years old fringe star big man.  We have a 27 year old star point guard tearing up the league offensively.  Its too late for talk about mortgaging our future.   We've already done that.   Horford has two good years before he starts declining, and Thomas (considering how aggressive he plays)  probably won't be far behind.  Our window is small.  We need to strike now -go all in.  Championship or bust.   Otherwise we are wasting the highest profile free agent this team has signed, and a guy who is not far away from having the best scoring season in Celtics history.  Why let those guys fade out with nothing to show for it?

[LGC88]

@Crimson

I'm afraid I didn't get your point.
You said Celtics fan are unrealistic (meaning he has more value?), but in the mean time you said we would not mortgage anything in a trade for him.

As in we wouldn't be mortgaging our future.

Jae Crowder is a nice complimentary player,  but he's not our future.   Marcus Smart is a complimentary player,  he's not our future. Our draft pick is for a draft stacked with point guards,  and our current pg is the NBAs second leading scorer.

Not saying I'd trade the Brooklyn pick for Melo, just saying that Boston fans unrealistically look at these guys like they are superstar assets, they aren't. 

Hell during the off-season I was suggesting trading crowder for butker and people are criticising me saying Butler is barely better then crowder.  Boston fans on the whole are just unrealistic.

People still probably are against trading the Nets pick for Butler.

And people talk about I Jaylen Brown as if hes already a fringe all star.  He could just as easily become Jimmy Butler or Jeff Green.

Fact is,  you have a chance to add one of the best scorers of our generation,  who is only just dropping out of his prime.  You have a guy who could push you in to legitimate contender status for the next 2-3 years.   If you can get that guy for a Boston pick in the late 1St round plus a couple of really nice role players...how do you not take tgat chance?

Hem when we traded for Ray Allen he was a 31 years old offence-only guy - but getting him brought is kg and a championship.

Let's say we got Melo,  then pulled a smaller trade for Vucevic.

Now you have Thomas, Bradley, Melo, Horford and Vucevic.  That roster can compete with any team in this league...and there's a chance you can pull that off without giving up Jaylen Brown OR either Brooklyn pick...you have to do it.

We just blew $28m a year over the next 4 years on a 30 years old fringe star big man.  We have a 27 year old star point guard tearing up the league offensively.  Its too late for talk about mortgaging our future.   We've already done that.   Horford has two good years before he starts declining, and Thomas (considering how aggressive he plays)  probably won't be far behind.  Our window is small.  We need to strike now -go all in.  Championship or bust.   Otherwise we are wasting the highest profile free agent this team has signed, and a guy who is not far away from having the best scoring season in Celtics history.  Why let those guys fade out with nothing to show for it?

I get your point.
However, we are not contender caliber if we part away with the pieces you mention.
If you make a comparison with the 08 team, Crowder, Smart, Jaylen are the value contracts like Rondo, Posey, House. Something that you absolutly need for contending. I can't believe we can find 3 vets worth them for 16mil. Not to mention we probably won't have the cap space anymore.

I believe we have a better chance to find a stud in the draft or in Jaylen than winning in 2 years with Melo.

[LGC88]

On another note. If Danny has a deal in place for Butler, I would agree that trading for Melo then makes more sense to try to win now.
It might be complicated cap wise though, since we have to sign a big man, still.

[Tr1boy]

If the knicks get up fed up with this process and sell for super cheap

Would danny pull the trigger on this offer

To knicks: Amir, Zeller, Jerebko, Young, 2 2017 round picks
To Celtics: Melo, Vucevic, Ndour, Baker

[Eddie20]

If the knicks get up fed up with this process and sell for super cheap

Would danny pull the trigger on this offer

To knicks: Amir, Zeller, Jerebko, Young, 2 2017 round picks
To Celtics: Melo, Vucevic, Ndour, Baker

Vucevic plays for Orlando, not NY.

[Tr1boy]

If the knicks get up fed up with this process and sell for super cheap

Would danny pull the trigger on this offer

To knicks: Amir, Zeller, Jerebko, Young, 2 2017 round picks
To Celtics: Melo, Vucevic, Ndour, Baker

Vucevic plays for Orlando, not NY.

Spelling error. Meant Vujacic