My hopes for Marcus Smart

[Ilikesports17]

Let me end the thread the way I do many of them.  The anti Marcus smart is James harden.  Almost literally.  Harden is an mvp candidate year after year while smart is a role player.  Offense is much more important than individual defense.  Period, point blank, end of story.

How is that the end of story?

No one disagrees with that. Smart can be a super valuable player without being the frontrunner for the MVP award.

I mean if your criteria for judging a players value is that he isnt as valuable as a perennial MVP candidate, then you arent gonna like a lot of players.

[GreenWarrior]

My hope for Smart is that he gets flipped for some reasonable assets.

He's the most likely candidate to be made irrelevant by the upcoming draft and you never want to get into the 76'ers position of having too many guys who play the same position. 

Smart and a future first for some rotation big like Nurkic would be a great return...  If you can get a pick in return in the deal, even better.

Defensive wings who hustle and have no offense are available late in every draft, and more importantly point guards who aren't a threat to score 30 points are completely irrelevant in today's NBA. 

 

Smart AND a future first for Nurkic ?

Smart is the better player in the deal and you want to give a first to bring a guy that Denver is desperate to trade ? And can't start on a Denver team that is below .500

Sometimes I get shocked with the way some people here think. Smart is my favorite Celtic and he is a true winner. A guy who doesn't care about stats or anything besides winninge. I love his attitude and I wouldn't trade him for 90% of the players in the NBA and there are people who would trade him for a bottle of water if they could.

I'm so happy Danny Ainge is our GM and not some of the fans who post here.

fans here seem to only use advance stats and numbers to dictate who they want to be a fan of and who they consider to be a good player. which is why you see all these ridiculous trade scenarios.

the one stat that gets lost on these people is the only one that really matters and that's the W/L stat. unfortunately; like I mentioned previously a lot of what marcus offers doesn't translate to the individual stats. most of what he does leads to another player getting the credit.

i'm not saying these people are exactly wrong either because imo where he was drafted you should be looking to get a player that will eventually be an all star or "All" something.

and that's my problem with Smart, the only type of player I would trade him for is an elite player that could play both sides of the ball well... and that's just not going to happen because of the numbers.

Pretty sure Smart will make multiple All-Defense teams before it is all done. He will probably be in the running for future DPOY awards as well. Isnt that an All something?

i'd like to believe that myself but I also wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't.

[mr. dee]

Let me end the thread the way I do many of them.  The anti Marcus smart is James harden.  Almost literally.  Harden is an mvp candidate year after year while smart is a role player.  Offense is much more important than individual defense.  Period, point blank, end of story.

How is that the end of story?

No one disagrees with that. Smart can be a super valuable player without being the frontrunner for the MVP award.

I mean if your criteria for judging a players value is that he isnt as valuable as a perennial MVP candidate, then you arent gonna like a lot of players.

Smart may not be a frontrunner in league MVP, but he could be a frontrunner on the defensive MVP award.

[LilRip]

Let me end the thread the way I do many of them.  The anti Marcus smart is James harden.  Almost literally.  Harden is an mvp candidate year after year while smart is a role player.  Offense is much more important than individual defense.  Period, point blank, end of story.

Harden has made 50 point triple doubles. I don't think Smart has that impact defensively (yet?). Actually, not even many guys who have ever come into the NBA have been that much of a juggernaut offensively. What Harden and Westbrook are doing this year is downright ridiculous. If you want an anti-James Harden, how about Gary Payton? Or Ben Wallace? Or Dennis Rodman? Or Bill Russell?

[celtics2030]

Let me end the thread the way I do many of them.  The anti Marcus smart is James harden.  Almost literally.  Harden is an mvp candidate year after year while smart is a role player.  Offense is much more important than individual defense.  Period, point blank, end of story.

Harden has made 50 point triple doubles. I don't think Smart has that impact defensively (yet?). Actually, not even many guys who have ever come into the NBA have been that much of a juggernaut offensively. What Harden and Westbrook are doing this year is downright ridiculous. If you want an anti-James Harden, how about Gary Payton? Or Ben Wallace? Or Dennis Rodman? Or Bill Russell?

TP!

It's hilarious isn't it? People are delusional here, but I will chalk that up with loving a hard working player.

But the way people do comparisons , or talk about Smart , is like he is untouchable or some amazing thing that comes around every 100 years.

The James Harden thing is funny. So an anti Marcus Smart is a double double machine machine who is one of the best scorers in the NBA LOL. It put it in good perspective of the homerism and how overboard people can be.

[Monkhouse]

At the end of the day, I just want what's best for the Celtics. If we end up with an upgrade, then great. If not, well I still expect Smart to play hard defensively, and make smart and dumb plays at the same time. But at least he's going to show some heart.

I really wish we get a decent big man. It doesn't matter who we trade, hopefully not IT at least, but we need some help on the boards.

Let me end the thread the way I do many of them.  The anti Marcus smart is James harden.  Almost literally.  Harden is an mvp candidate year after year while smart is a role player.  Offense is much more important than individual defense.  Period, point blank, end of story.

True, but would you have ever guessed him to be this [dang] good?

[Rondo9]

Let me end the thread the way I do many of them.  The anti Marcus smart is James harden.  Almost literally.  Harden is an mvp candidate year after year while smart is a role player.  Offense is much more important than individual defense.  Period, point blank, end of story.

Harden has made 50 point triple doubles. I don't think Smart has that impact defensively (yet?). Actually, not even many guys who have ever come into the NBA have been that much of a juggernaut offensively. What Harden and Westbrook are doing this year is downright ridiculous. If you want an anti-James Harden, how about Gary Payton? Or Ben Wallace? Or Dennis Rodman? Or Bill Russell?

TP!

It's hilarious isn't it? People are delusional here, but I will chalk that up with loving a hard working player.

But the way people do comparisons , or talk about Smart , is like he is untouchable or some amazing thing that comes around every 100 years.

The James Harden thing is funny. So an anti Marcus Smart is a double double machine machine who is one of the best scorers in the NBA LOL. It put it in good perspective of the homerism and how overboard people can be.

You could easily say this to Marcus Smart's detractors.

[celtics2030]

I am not denying that either.

I think because half worry about the statistical point and others just love his heart, hustle, and his defensive effort.

[Ilikesports17]

I am not denying that either.

I think because half worry about the statistical point and others just love his heart, hustle, and his defensive effort.

I think you are off.

10% refuse to see his flaws
10% refuse to see anything more than his fg and 3pt %s
80% understand that he is a deeply flawed player who adds a lot to the team with defense passing etc.

I dont want to trade Marcus because I think he is more valuable to us than anyone else, so you are unlikely to get appropriate value for him.

[KG Living Legend]

 My hope for smart is that he doesn't go into full retard mode. You can't come back from that.

[IDreamCeltics]

Literally the only player type I trust Ainge to be able to consistently and accurately identify in the draft are guards with NBA caliber defensive abilities.  He's done it time and time again and YET people on this board act like parting with Smart would be more devastating than losing a [dang] Kidney.  Danny pretty much drafts a guard that has the ability to be in the all-defensive team conversation every year.  He SUCKS at drafting any other type of player.  HENCE I think we should trade Marcus Smart (if he even has any trade value) for a player type (an adequate two-way big) that Danny has never been able to identify in the draft. 

I guarantee you that Danny will draft a guard (if he hasn't already in Terry Rozier or Jaylen Brown) that will be good enough defensively to make you forget about Smart within 2 years.

[GratefulCs]

 My hope for smart is that he doesn't go into full retard mode. You can't come back from that.

wait, what does this mean?

[mr. dee]

Literally the only player type I trust Ainge to be able to consistently and accurately identify in the draft are guards with NBA caliber defensive abilities.  He's done it time and time again and YET people on this board act like parting with Smart would be more devastating than losing a [dang] Kidney.  Danny pretty much drafts a guard that has the ability to be in the all-defensive team conversation every year.  He SUCKS at drafting any other type of player.  HENCE I think we should trade Marcus Smart (if he even has any trade value) for a player type (an adequate two-way big) that Danny has never been able to identify in the draft. 

I guarantee you that Danny will draft a guard (if he hasn't already in Terry Rozier or Jaylen Brown) that will be good enough defensively to make you forget about Smart within 2 years.

Neither Rozier and Brown have proven that they can anchor the defense like Smart does. There is a dramatic drop off on team defense when Smart is not on the floor. I can't say the same for Brown and Rozier. They have potential but that's it. Even if they become polished defenders, I don't think they can replicate the impact Smart have on the defensive end, especially at end of games.

There is a huge difference between a good defender and an impact defender. Rondo was a good, as is Klay Thompson defender but Tony Allen and Draymond Green are impact defenders.

[celtics2030]

Literally the only player type I trust Ainge to be able to consistently and accurately identify in the draft are guards with NBA caliber defensive abilities.  He's done it time and time again and YET people on this board act like parting with Smart would be more devastating than losing a [dang] Kidney.  Danny pretty much drafts a guard that has the ability to be in the all-defensive team conversation every year.  He SUCKS at drafting any other type of player.  HENCE I think we should trade Marcus Smart (if he even has any trade value) for a player type (an adequate two-way big) that Danny has never been able to identify in the draft. 

I guarantee you that Danny will draft a guard (if he hasn't already in Terry Rozier or Jaylen Brown) that will be good enough defensively to make you forget about Smart within 2 years.

Neither Rozier and Brown have proven that they can anchor the defense like Smart does. There is a dramatic drop off on team defense when Smart is not on the floor. I can't say the same for Brown and Rozier. They have potential but that's it. Even if they become polished defenders, I don't think they can replicate the impact Smart have on the defensive end, especially at end of games.

There is a huge difference between a good defender and an impact defender. Rondo was a good, as is Klay Thompson defender but Tony Allen and Draymond Green are impact defenders.

Im starting to think this stigma of defensive anchors is BS

Kevin Garnett is an anchor.

Draymond Green and Smart are in no way close to Kevin Garnett. IMO its a dishonor to even put them in the same breath. It actually p---es me off big time.

Draymond and Green apparently great defensive anchors, but still teams are banging three pointers left and right and throwing up 120 points on us . Yea ok defensive anchors my butt.

Garnett was a defensive anchor. When he played no matter what the defense was on point and rarely gave up points.

I think this defensive things sticks to a player because he will make big effort plays on defense and people remember it.

Then somehow they get the label of being a defensive stopper.

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Im not saying this is the deal with Smart.

But im starting to get the idea to become a defensive player means just to try hard and make some huge plays on defense during a game. Then you can be average as a defender the rest of the time.

[droopdog7]

Let me end the thread the way I do many of them.  The anti Marcus smart is James harden.  Almost literally.  Harden is an mvp candidate year after year while smart is a role player.  Offense is much more important than individual defense.  Period, point blank, end of story.

How is that the end of story?

No one disagrees with that. Smart can be a super valuable player without being the frontrunner for the MVP award.

I mean if your criteria for judging a players value is that he isnt as valuable as a perennial MVP candidate, then you arent gonna like a lot of players.

Clearly everyone missed my point.  Let me clarify.  Earlier in the thread, it was asked why offense was considered more valuable than defense (or something like that).  People suggesting that a defensive MVP is the same, or almost the same, as an offensive one.  Never mind that smart is not as good defensively as many make him out to be. 

My anti smart analogy is simple.  Smart is all defense and little offense.  Harden is all offense and little defense.  No one would argue that harden is not more valuable and a better player than smart.  That is my way of explaining that offense is much more important than defense.