Trading for Vucevic (merged rumor threads)

[Tr1boy]

why the delay...just get it done already

To Boston: Vucevic
To Magic: Amir, James Young, all 2017 2nd round picks

I don't even think you even need to include Rozier

[hodgy03038]

why the delay...just get it done already

To Boston: Vucevic
To Magic: Amir, James Young, all 2017 2nd round picks

I don't even think you even need to include Rozier

I posted this in the other thread but I read this from an Orlando source which is also probably just spit-balling....


Our Zach Palmer posed a trade with the Celtics that involved Vucevic a few days ago in a OrlandoMagicDaily.com round table post.

It sent Vucevic and C.J. Watson to Boston for Amir Johnson, Demetrius Jackson and Guerschon Yabusele. This is the kind of trade to expect if Vucevic gets sent to Boston. An expiring contract and two developmental players that could make an impact down the road.

[Big333223]

Marc Stein says there isn't much to this beyond "exploratory" conversations. According to him, Orlando is looking for a proven wing scorer, which I don't know the Celtics even have to offer. Maybe there's a three-teamer the Celtics could help engineer.

Orlando, according to league sources, remains focused on acquiring a proven scorer on the wing before the Feb. 23 trade deadline if the ever-elusive right deal presents itself. ‎The corresponding expectation in league circles is that the Magic will try to move a big man to make that happen, with Nikola Vucevic continuing to rank as the most likely of Orlando's bigs to depart because Serge Ibaka is headed for free agency in July (which complicates trading him) and with Bismack Biyombo only in the first year of a four-year, $68 million deal bound to put some teams off. Vucevic, by contrast, is a proven scorer and rebounder whose comparatively modest $11.8 million salary will presumably offset some of the defensive concerns in circulation. But sources say Boston's talks with Orlando to date on the Vucevic front haven't progressed past the exploratory stage

http://www.espn.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4937/the-2016-17-nba-all-no-trade-team

[Androslav]

I think it won't happen as cap space is at a premium.

[hwangjini_1]

Mods. Could you please merge the two threads? Trying to follow this in two separate threads is hard.

Thanks.

[MJohnnyboy]

Marc Stein says there isn't much to this beyond "exploratory" conversations. According to him, Orlando is looking for a proven wing scorer, which I don't know the Celtics even have to offer. Maybe there's a three-teamer the Celtics could help engineer.

Orlando, according to league sources, remains focused on acquiring a proven scorer on the wing before the Feb. 23 trade deadline if the ever-elusive right deal presents itself. ‎The corresponding expectation in league circles is that the Magic will try to move a big man to make that happen, with Nikola Vucevic continuing to rank as the most likely of Orlando's bigs to depart because Serge Ibaka is headed for free agency in July (which complicates trading him) and with Bismack Biyombo only in the first year of a four-year, $68 million deal bound to put some teams off. Vucevic, by contrast, is a proven scorer and rebounder whose comparatively modest $11.8 million salary will presumably offset some of the defensive concerns in circulation. But sources say Boston's talks with Orlando to date on the Vucevic front haven't progressed past the exploratory stage

http://www.espn.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4937/the-2016-17-nba-all-no-trade-team

Makes you wonder what the hell they were thinking when they just gave Tobias Harris away to Detroit.

[Chief]

Marc Stein says there isn't much to this beyond "exploratory" conversations. According to him, Orlando is looking for a proven wing scorer, which I don't know the Celtics even have to offer. Maybe there's a three-teamer the Celtics could help engineer.

Orlando, according to league sources, remains focused on acquiring a proven scorer on the wing before the Feb. 23 trade deadline if the ever-elusive right deal presents itself. ‎The corresponding expectation in league circles is that the Magic will try to move a big man to make that happen, with Nikola Vucevic continuing to rank as the most likely of Orlando's bigs to depart because Serge Ibaka is headed for free agency in July (which complicates trading him) and with Bismack Biyombo only in the first year of a four-year, $68 million deal bound to put some teams off. Vucevic, by contrast, is a proven scorer and rebounder whose comparatively modest $11.8 million salary will presumably offset some of the defensive concerns in circulation. But sources say Boston's talks with Orlando to date on the Vucevic front haven't progressed past the exploratory stage

http://www.espn.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4937/the-2016-17-nba-all-no-trade-team

They can have Gerald Green.

[colincb]

Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA 8h8 hours ago
 
No sense of that. Was told its not anything pending or close. One of many conversations the Magic have had.

magicman@allimprovement8

@stevekylerNBA @boomer20021 thx . What players did Orlando look at with Boston ?

Kyler's a lot closer to ORL than ASB is.

[Who]

They are not going to get much of a scorer for Vucevic.

Maybe Lou Williams from the Lakers. Hard to see Vucevic fetching more than that.

Ha, actually, Oladipo and Toby Harris are probably two of the more trade equivalent scorers they could have gotten for Vucevic. Funny.

[greece66]

Reminder: it is Blakely

PS this time I checked the time stamp before answering.

[iadera]

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2017/01/27/orlando-magic-rumors-boston-celtics-eyeing-nikola-vucevic/

This one comes out of Orlando and may have legs. Vucevic has a friendly contract, and might even allow another major player like Butler to be added. He's a 14/10 guy making $12-13M.

Ainge might pull the trigger if he can be had for non-starters/non-Nets picks.

Seems like a lot of options out there right now. And Butler may be on the market in a couple weeks.

Does adding Butler + Vucevic at the deadline or this summer work under our cap space, and do you think that + Zizic and maybe Larry Sanders is a legit contender?

I'm starting to think this summer there just won't be many FA options (Hayward, Griffin and Noel staying put; Ibaka and Millsap only other real options).

I think if we get Vucevic, his contract will not allow us another max-player this summer. We'll be over the cap.

[hpantazo]

I just read this on an Orlando site but have no idea of it's credibility:

Our Zach Palmer posed a trade with the Celtics that involved Vucevic a few days ago in a OrlandoMagicDaily.com round table post.

It sent Vucevic and C.J. Watson to Boston for Amir Johnson, Demetrius Jackson and Guerschon Yabusele. This is the kind of trade to expect if Vucevic gets sent to Boston. An expiring contract and two developmental players that could make an impact down the road.

That would be a great trade for us! If it wasn't for salary cap implications it would be a no-brainer. I can see Ainge doing this if he decides none of the free agents available this summer are likely to sign with us, or are even worth pursuing.

[chambers]

Vucevic does not play defense. If he comes in, he's coming as as the first big man off the bench.

Horford and Vucevic on D would be a flaming dumpster of a plan.

His contract is reasonable for a very solid back up big man but it takes up too much cap room for the return on investment.


The most likely reason for this rumor is that Ainge and his boys have fed this crap to Blakeley to show whoever else we are potentially dealing with that we have options.

I would honestly rather bring over Zizic because Vucevic provides negative net defensive ability when we are desperate for some defensive toughness in the paint.

I read on RealGM that perhaps Ainge sees Vucevic as a solid trade piece with that contract so acquiring him for 6 months and putting him in our system will make him a far more valuable 12 million in potential trades than Amir would be.

eg on draft night the pick falls to #3 and the Bulls give up Butler. Some teams would prefer Vucevic rather than Amir's expiring.

The problem with this is that I'm pretty sure most teams would prefer Amir's expiring vs Vucevic's 12 million for 2 more years unless they need to hit the salary floor and he would help as a tank commander as a starting center that plays zero defense and helps you lose lots of games while scoring 15ppg and 10rebs per game in heavy minutes.

[aingeforthree]

While I'd welcome a trade, id be surprised if DA makes a move this season. I think he'll wait until the offseason, talk to some FA's (the major ones will likely stay) and assess whether he wants to trade Rozier for a guy like Vucevic, sign Noel to a huge multi-year deal, or do some other Amir-like short term signing.

I'm right there with you. You're setup too well for this move. Vucevic is that standup double, & Ainge has the assets to acquire a home run. He's waiting it out until the better player available presents itself. Doesn't need to strap himself down with a contract that hinders that move.

[flybono]

And who, pray tell, would that free agent be?

Kevin Durant ain't walking through that door.

Saving cap space to chase ghosts is stupid.

Thank you. Finally someone who see's the big picture