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Who is not playing defense?
« on: January 24, 2017, 09:48:40 PM »

Offline celtics2030

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Seriously, we have defenders, we have effort players.

Who is not playing defense

Im going to include everybody on the list to form opinions

IT
SMART
HORFORD
ROZIER
AMIR
CROWDER
BROWN
OLYNYK

What is going on here?

Is Brad a terrible defense coach?

Man I love Quin Snyder, I wish we could combine both brad and quinn, if the case is that Brad is just trying to be an offensive juggernaut offense.

Or maybe its the fact that we have to play a 5 foot 7 Thomas because he is of course our best player and we have no choice to play a gimmick style of basketball.












Re: Who is not playing defense?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2017, 09:50:17 PM »

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Google Celtics Roster and cross out Marcus Smart. That is the list of guys who need to play exponentially better on defense.

Re: Who is not playing defense?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2017, 09:51:30 PM »

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Google Celtics Roster and cross out Marcus Smart. That is the list of guys who need to play exponentially better on defense.

Pretty much this. And Smart's defense is even down from last year because he's having less help elsewhere defensively.

It's seriously baffling and frustrating how different this team is from last year.
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Re: Who is not playing defense?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2017, 09:53:00 PM »

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Google Celtics Roster and cross out Marcus Smart. That is the list of guys who need to play exponentially better on defense.

Pretty much this. And Smart's defense is even down from last year because he's having less help elsewhere defensively.

It's seriously baffling and frustrating how different this team is from last year.
yeah the team defense is trash. Smarts individual defense and Isaiahs individual offense are the two bright spots of this season. So entertaining for both him.

Re: Who is not playing defense?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2017, 09:53:26 PM »

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Google Celtics Roster and cross out Marcus Smart. That is the list of guys who need to play exponentially better on defense.

I am not going to cross out Smart. Not because he is not playing defense, because he does not get a pass just because he is a very good defender.

Sometimes when a player has a moniker it sticks to him even when he isn't doing that.

That and I have been unable to watch games lately, so I would not know, but want to hear from Celtic fans.

Re: Who is not playing defense?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2017, 09:54:58 PM »

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Google Celtics Roster and cross out Marcus Smart. That is the list of guys who need to play exponentially better on defense.

I am not going to cross out Smart. Not because he is not playing defense, because he does not get a pass just because he is a very good defender.

Sometimes when a player has a moniker it sticks to him even when he isn't doing that.

That and I have been unable to watch games lately, so I would not know, but want to hear from Celtic fans.
OK.

I am a Celtics fan. I have watched the last few game.

I am telling you, based on my observations that the only player fully engaged AND playing well on defense is Marcus Smart.

Re: Who is not playing defense?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2017, 09:55:32 PM »

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It has to be with Horford and PNR

Also the tempo and speed, and the hoisting of 3 point shots

Back in the day we were great and getting back on D, part was Doc Ricers saying forget trying to get 2nd chances and set up defense the right way, but im suspecting that Horford is complete trash down low, and IT is complete trash up top

This has to be a recipe for disaster

i mean look how bad we have become, i mean its unreal, we are a terrible defensive team.

Re: Who is not playing defense?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2017, 09:57:43 PM »

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Google Celtics Roster and cross out Marcus Smart. That is the list of guys who need to play exponentially better on defense.

I am not going to cross out Smart. Not because he is not playing defense, because he does not get a pass just because he is a very good defender.

Sometimes when a player has a moniker it sticks to him even when he isn't doing that.

That and I have been unable to watch games lately, so I would not know, but want to hear from Celtic fans.
OK.

I am a Celtics fan. I have watched the last few game.

I am telling you, based on my observations that the only player fully engaged AND playing well on defense is Marcus Smart.

Again, I concur, at least on a full-time basis.

Horford shows times of good defense, such as when he's not out of position and is playing as a 5, along with Jae showing occasional flashes, too. But for the most part, Smart is the only one consistently playing above average D on the team, and everyone else is nowhere near the level they were last year.

Anytime there's a screen, we just cannot do anything about it.
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Re: Who is not playing defense?
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2017, 10:01:20 PM »

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The Celtics are too persistent in trying to get over every pick and roll. Only Smart is good enough to do this but they just rub him off a second pick.

To me the worst thing you can do on defense is to over commit yourself and I feel our guards are playing to get over the pick too aggressively. It's leaving the big to make too many snap decisions.

On a positive I thought Mickey anchored the defense when he was in. He defended a switch nicely and he also dropped down to take away a drive off the pick. Cs need to give him more burn.

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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2017, 10:13:17 PM »

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The team need to watch some videos from last year .
This gap doesn't make sense .
Also Stevens lost his touch as far as turning below avarage pamper into positive role players .

Re: Who is not playing defense?
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2017, 10:21:07 PM »

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Horford - he is slow to rotate on help, and is slow to contest shots. It seems that when he contests a shot he just puts his hand up and walks towards the guy that is shooting. Not that rebounding was a big issue today ("only" out-rebounded by 10), but he had an impressive 2 rebounds today. He really looks as old as Amir does on the defensive end.

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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2017, 10:21:53 PM »

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KO for one.

Re: Who is not playing defense?
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2017, 10:23:40 PM »

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Google Celtics Roster and cross out Marcus Smart. That is the list of guys who need to play exponentially better on defense.

I am not going to cross out Smart. Not because he is not playing defense, because he does not get a pass just because he is a very good defender.

Sometimes when a player has a moniker it sticks to him even when he isn't doing that.

That and I have been unable to watch games lately, so I would not know, but want to hear from Celtic fans.

Smart certainly brings it on defense.

Re: Who is not playing defense?
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2017, 10:26:26 PM »

Offline Rosco917

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Our bigs are slow, non-athletic, soft, slow reacting. Horford, KO, Amir... We have no quick footed, long, players that get off the floor quickly to come out of the weeds to defend drivers in the paint, and slashers.

Kelly is abused something fierce, being at times thrown to the floor, always looking for the refs to stick up for him. Horford is a gentleman, Amir is running on fumes. Jerebko is a finesse player.

We're undersized everywhere, but especially in the backcourt. Our leading scorer is a 5-9" PG, that we need on the floor for us to score. He's defending against the best 6-4" players in the world. Is he taken advantage of? You bet he is. Like Scal said, he plays as good a D, as you can expect from a 5-9" player to play. In other words...deal with it, he'll alway be a defensive liability.   

The formula for success on this team is not right. We may have to take a step back, to take a few steps forward.

 

Re: Who is not playing defense?
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2017, 10:30:43 PM »

Offline GRADYCOLNON

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Some players are bad defensively and some are good playing badly.  Isaiah, Rozier, and Young current fit into bad defensively, while Crowder and Horford are good playing badly.  The other players: Smart, Jerebko, Olynyk, Johnson, and Bradley are giving their normal effort but experiencing the team defense collapse around them. 
I believe that the bad defenders are negatively influencing some good players to play badly (Crowder and Horford).  Most influencing is Thomas (as Young and Rozier are bad because of inexperience), who plays the most minutes, to unhinge the defensive tone.  Thomas prefers to attack the offense aggressively, in the most entertaining manner, too often.  His attacks, usually singlehanded, leave the team in awkward positions to defend against transition offense if he doesn't score.  The lack of defensive pressure on the ball forces the Celtics to play catch up, and the team leans more heavily on Isaiah for scoring.  This cycle feedback into the team's poor defensive tone, allowing other teams to rack up tons of points. 
Until Isaiah takes more responsibility for his actions, the team will struggle to contain other team's scoring.  And players like Crowder and Horford will continue to mail in defense.